As you can see, from my perspective, Ezekel literally has to be a neutral.
Which one do you believe is more likely to be associated with town? The one that cures a potentially permanent otherwise role block? Or the one that steals a vote from another player, more likely than not a townie when you consider the numbers (admittedly, going off of the mafiascum wiki this power can also be associated with town)? I'd wager it's Ezekel's ability that has more of an opportunity to be that of a neutral player- an abilitity that he has already admitted to lying about once (that is, he lied about being forced to use it each night.)
Yes, I lied once, and that was my only lie. That also goes back to what I said about stanley. CB lied about his role, xam lied/omitted something from his role.
Oh, and I would love to see an argument for how Salva's ability would be balanced without the existence of my own. The circumstances surrounding QB/Salva's lynch could not have been predicted by anyone, least of all Sorian. In the hands of an either skilled or lucky (or both) player who was not replaced, the Shelly DeKiller ability would have had the potential to be nightmarish for town, especially with the fact that the role was able to select not one, but two targets on the first night (with Scrafty being confirmed to not have an active power role and the identity of the scum team known to Shelly, the potential list of players for the role to target was considerably lessened from the default player list- and the number of viable targets would only shrink with each passing night, due to to lynches, multiple night kills and role claims.) Just because I have not been cleared by Xam does not mean that we cannot accept that my role has a high likelihood of being exactly as I've described it. Also, if I were neutral, don't you think my actions in regards to Zubz would seem very strange? What would I have to gain by impulsively fake role claiming the moment he claimed ordinary town if I had no way of knowing if he was telling the truth or not? Would I have continually doubled down on the fact that I have not used my power these past couple of nights if I had no way of knowing that TGD was not actually a town watcher/tracker but a scum one? There are far too many variables here that make no sense if I'm a neutral role.
Trying to guess Sorian's reason for what he does in the game won't help us really. You using that as your only defense shows how weak your case is. TG wasn't cleared by xam either and his role/actions couldve went just like he planned. But I didn't fall for it. Also TG started breadcrumbing Missile the first day phase, proving scum mafia had a fake role. It's likely the scum neutral killer was given a fake role as well. Which allowed you go fakeclaim Mia, Mya or whichever one you got "missed up" on. You knew no one else would claim it. I don't know why you are going that route.
Now things get tricky. My power removes the blackmail status. Ezekel has been confirmed to steal votes. Based upon the numbers, the two of us are the only ones who could possibly be neutrals at this point, as far as I can tell. And yet, as Ezekel himself pointed out earlier, there were two night kills on a night where he was roleblocked by StarSketch. In other words, our second killer cannot be neutral. Whether they're town or scum, I can't say.
No proof you do what you say you do. You speculated as to why Roy wouldn't announce that you removed his blackmail card, but Roy was a top town player and wouldve announced his card was removed to at least give town more information.
In any case, my vote has already been stolen by Ezekel, so my fate is ultimately in town's hands today. At the very least, I can say with confidence that Ezekel has lied- he cannot be town. If he's neutral (which would be the case if both of my earlier assumptions hold water), then he does not have the ability to kill. If he's scum, then he can kill, but it isn't likely to explain our second night kills. Whether we lynch me or Ezekel, we will arrive closer to the truth, but I implore you to believe in me, my power and my play and go after him today, skipping over the mislynch. This will eliminate somebody who has lied from the game, hopefully elucidating some of what's been going on, leaving us with a smaller pool of players to suspect tomorrow (once you factor in any night kill(s).) While we could go after a godfather today, I feel like that might be a little too much of a shot in the dark. The existence of two of them could exist as a counter to there being two cops, but it still seems somewhat unlikely to me.
I've already proven why I can't be the neutral killer.
Me being Neutral w/o killing ability - What would be my win condition exactly?
I've also proven that I can't be scum thru my voting and posting.
I have stated on several occasions how you could be neutral killer, and you have not addressed that in any part of your post. Your only defense to not proving your role has been "Guys no way Sorian would put a permanent roleblock w/o a way to get rid of it". Wasn't this one of the higher rated Mafia games this season? Either way, no telling how Sorian put this game together, especially if mafia has the ability to kill 1 person each night. I can see Sorian putting a perma roleblock in place to give scum a little bit of power.
I agree with you that it should be me or you lynched today, and it should be you.
I would like to bring up RF's case against MA
Then there's the fact that he says he possessed Roy to cure his blackmail. Roy was blackmailed N1. States he was blackmailed D2 so then theoretically N2 Matt Attack should've possessed him. D3 Roy is still alive and doesn't comment that he's no longer blackmailed. (I've looked through all D3 quickly and never see Roy say it[he would've most likely said it as soon as the day began](could someone go over them too so as to verify?), plus why would he hide it? he was town and had already put out that he was blackmailed).
But then I thought about it some more. "But what if Roy had been a PR?" how would he know that he's now allowed to use his PR again? He would've had to receive some sort of confirmation to know.
Some could say, "but Roy was Vanilla, he had no action and thus had no need for a confirmation that he could use his PR again". I don't think Sorian would be biased like that and only send out confirmations to those with PRs. Plus if only those with PRs would receive confirmation of no longer being blackmailed then by that reasoning only PRs should receive confirmation that they're blackmailed. Roy received a blackmail card even though he was vanilla.
Plus now Roy is dead and has no way to say that he was cleared from the blackmail or not, also convenient.
oh, and smaller(maybe meta) detail: Matt Attack just recently flubbed between the names Maya and Mia.
This is MA's reply to him
I want you to to think about Salva's power- he was a scum had the ability to permanently role block anybody he visited (at least until his own death.) Furthermore, he was given two shots on the first night to use his power. Do you really think it's likely that there isn't a role built into the game to counter this? Because from my perspective, it sounds like it would be awfully overpowered otherwise.
Of course, you have no guarantee that Sorian built the game with this in mind beyond my own word. But that doesn't mean that we can't think about how feasible my role is, and I believe it is more than reasonable to believe that I'm telling the truth.
Again, to prove his power he says that Sorian wouldnt give Mafia perma roleblock, too powerful. Which again, is a weak excuse for your power.
Given the fact that Xam automatically blocks all non killing abilities, the argument for MA being a blackmail remover is weaker as well.
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**********THIS IS THE DAMNING PART ABOUT MA BEING SERIAL KILLER. HIS REASON FOR ROY NEVER MENTIONING THE CARD BEING REMOVED.***********
Take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt, because it's pure speculation. I've been working under the assumption that Roy must have received some indication that he was no longer blackmailed, because regardless of the fact that he was ordinary, he received the calling card in the first place. Roy must have known that he was cured. So why wouldn't he have revealed this fact to town?
We can only guess as to the reason, but I've got a pretty good theory. Salva's role does not indicate the existence of my role, so the scum players should have no clue (beyond speculation of the existence of a counter role at least) that their blackmail can be cured without Salva's death. Roy chose to use his knowledge of the role to his advantage in two ways. The first is that despite being cured, scum would not realize this. This put them at an informational disadvantage, and in a game where scum players usually have the most knowledge, this can be extremely valuable. The second reason is that his knowledge of the existence of my role would allow for him to corroborate me. If I were to have claimed D3, Roy could have backed me up. Keeping these two reasons in mind, we have arrived at a sufficient explanation (in my eyes at least) for Roy's actions in regards to my possession.
His main theory about Roy not providing town with the information that his card was removed relies on TWO things
1. Roy wanted to cover for the person who removed the blackmail card.
2. Roy knew Salva's role.
Lets tackle 1 first.
The second reason is that his knowledge of the existence of my role would allow for him to corroborate me.
Roy didnt even know what the blackmail meant so there is no way he could assume it was removed by a person and kept that information secret to protect them. He couldve easily assumed it could be removed after a certain amount of time.
I got a PM saying I got blackmailed. The perpetrator left a calling card. Don't know if I should share the calling card or keep it to myself to test future claims.
We really have no idea what the blackmail thingy actually does.
2, He specifically says that Roy used his knowledge of Salva's role and that's how Roy knew to be quiet about the card being removed.
We can only guess as to the reason, but I've got a pretty good theory. Salva's role does not indicate the existence of my role, so the scum players should have no clue (beyond speculation of the existence of a counter role at least) that their blackmail can be cured without Salva's death. Roy chose to use his knowledge of the role to his advantage in two ways
What's wrong with that you ask? Roy had NO WAY of knowing what Salva's role was and what the blackmail does, because
Roy died the night following
Salva's role reveal/death. So how would he know to not mention the card being removed to save MA? He wouldn't. Which is way I believe his card was never removed. MA probably killed Roy to help solidify his fake roleclaim. it seems he wasted no time roleclaiming the day after Roy was dead. Conviently when Roy couldn't confirm anything. He also didn't bother to breadcrumb anything on Day 2 either. Even CB breadcrumbed giving the burger to SD.
Vote: Matt Attack
Will work on the continuing back and forth between me and FEP in another post, later. These giant posts are exhausting. My response to matt took like an hour to gather going back over stuff.
