Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Samurai G0SU
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I don't see how Android TV is work in progress. Sony did a bad job porting Android TV to their Bravia line in the beginning but I can tell you now that they have definitively improved. I have one of the brand new 2016 Sony's and a Shield Android TV and the Android OS has been great. The fact that it has the playstore and built in Chromecast puts the Android OS far past the others. It also has voice dictation that is far beyond anything you will see from the competition as well. Keep in mind you are getting google's database with Android TV when you are voice searching.
The Android ecosystem is huge and it takes very little effort to get an existing Android phone app to run on Android TV. Also, Android TV apps are written in Java which is better suited for higher performing apps/games unlike the web technologies used for Tizen/WebOS apps. It will have way more app growth than the others because of this.
Here are some pics from my Bravia X850D 55 inch which I just picked up on Bestbuy.com on sale for 1,600. The picture is stunning.
Im eyeing this beauty myself. You notice any inpit lag?
osiris3355
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No I haven't but the only gaming I've done is Rise of the Tomb Raider over nvidia gamestream. Graphics are jaw dropping in some scenes on this thing!
Yeah, samsung has definitely a step up for last year line up from being mediocre for years to the best on 4k set but irc you have to loose fald in order to get low input lag on samsung flagship where others don't. That kind of defeat the whole purpose of owning a high end tv in the first place. And I heard they still do panel lottery.
Hero_of_the_Day
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I wish I could find the input lag for my almost 10 years old Samsung. I'm a little concerned about my JS8500. Looking at reviews online, it seems it doesn't have the worst lag ever, but not that great either. I'm hoping it's no worse than my current one, 'cause I honestly don't notice it even when playing my classic consoles through the XRGB mini.
I'll find out tomorrow! Can't wait. Work is going to suck, though. TV is going to show up and then I'll have to leave for work.
I'll find out tomorrow! Can't wait. Work is going to suck, though. TV is going to show up and then I'll have to leave for work.
Tatsumi Oga
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I haven't had much bad things going on with my EC9300 OLED, except for the sluggish menu but I can live with that. But there's one thing I really noticed now and with that I mean some very visible vertical banding. Last week I was playing through Layers of Fear and during the parts where it was dark grey it really stood out badly. I am damn glad I never see it during parts where it's black, so that's good. Neither do I see it when I look at the sky in GTA V or Witcher 3,and I always did have that with plenty of previous TVs. But with Layers of Fear it was quite damn bad. Is there anything I can do about this? Maybe certain Colour settings or anything in the settings perhaps?
I would describe the banding as greenish.
I would describe the banding as greenish.
Those are near black issues on current lg oled tvs.
https://www.google.fr/search?q=oled...ved=0ahUKEwjU48SCiq_LAhUBMBoKHbkCBNgQ_AUIBigB
You can't do anything about it, some panels are better than others, but it sucks yeah.
2016 lineup is supposed to fix the problem.
https://www.google.fr/search?q=oled...ved=0ahUKEwjU48SCiq_LAhUBMBoKHbkCBNgQ_AUIBigB
You can't do anything about it, some panels are better than others, but it sucks yeah.
2016 lineup is supposed to fix the problem.
Hero_of_the_Day
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My 65" JS8500 has arrived and is fucking amazing looking. Massive upgrade from my now-ancient 40" 1080p Samsung. I'm not much of a settings tweaker, so I just copied some settings from AV forums for this model and it looks damn good to me.
Watching some Breaking Bad in 4k on Netflix. Looks damn good. Not life changing or anything, but a nice little improvement over 1080p. I have the ultra HD bluray player arriving later today from Best Buy, and 4k Mad Max sitting here just waiting. So, I'll get to check out some HDR/4k Fury Road after work.
Played a tiny bit of Bloodborne and had absolutely no issue with input lag. Tonight or tomorrow I'll plug my computer in and try some real 4k games with mouse and keyboard and see if I have any issues. Still need to try out my SNES/NES with the XRGB mini. Super Mario is my go to test for if I notice input lag.
Got Man of Steel 3D for $8 from a local used store just to have something to check out 3D stuff with. First time using active shutter glasses. Seems way better than any 3D experience I've had in theaters. Way less blurry. Don't really give a fuck about 3D still, but it's nifty.
Watching some Breaking Bad in 4k on Netflix. Looks damn good. Not life changing or anything, but a nice little improvement over 1080p. I have the ultra HD bluray player arriving later today from Best Buy, and 4k Mad Max sitting here just waiting. So, I'll get to check out some HDR/4k Fury Road after work.
Played a tiny bit of Bloodborne and had absolutely no issue with input lag. Tonight or tomorrow I'll plug my computer in and try some real 4k games with mouse and keyboard and see if I have any issues. Still need to try out my SNES/NES with the XRGB mini. Super Mario is my go to test for if I notice input lag.
Got Man of Steel 3D for $8 from a local used store just to have something to check out 3D stuff with. First time using active shutter glasses. Seems way better than any 3D experience I've had in theaters. Way less blurry. Don't really give a fuck about 3D still, but it's nifty.
Tarin02543
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My PVM740 still beats the shit out of these pseudo LG oleds.
Goldrusher
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Gillian Seed
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Panasonic is the most reliable brand hands down! They always have been, but I also trust Sony.
Tatsumi Oga
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Ah that's too bad. So not even a firmware update would fix it? I can live with it though. It's especially really bad in dark grey stuff and never in pitch black backgrounds. Nor is visible when I look at the sky in games like GTA 5, Witcher 3, and so on. And for the most part in games like Battlefront I am not noticing any weird stuff, it's not that it's hundred percent perfectly white but it's nowhere near as terrible as I've had on plenty of other TVs.
One thing I have learned through these years of owning several different TVs is that no TV is perfect. The TV could cost a fortune and it can still have weird issues. Take the Panasonic VT30 for example, I had green blobs on white backgrounds, all kinds of different banding on all sorts of colours. All these things I don't have on the OLED. So far it's three things.... one is the greenish vertical banding on dark Grey backgrounds, another is the sluggish menu but that's not a huge disaster. The third one sometime happens in very dark scenes. Just now while I was watching Daredevil on Netflix, the black jacket of someone showed this weird Colour banding effect briefly and then it was gone. Maybe that's the show itself though, gonna have to try it out on another display.
Just installed a Sony XBR65930C. Coming from a 10 year old 46" HDTV so quite a leap in image quality. One thing I noticed is the very edges of the image are slightly darker than the center. Is this normal for this model? Also I am using a Kinovo HDMI splitter and was wondering if this would cause any degradation in quality.
I don't see how Android TV is work in progress. Sony did a bad job porting Android TV to their Bravia line in the beginning but I can tell you now that they have definitively improved. I have one of the brand new 2016 Sony's and a Shield Android TV and the Android OS has been great. The fact that it has the playstore and built in Chromecast puts the Android OS far past the others. It also has voice dictation that is far beyond anything you will see from the competition as well. Keep in mind you are getting google's database with Android TV when you are voice searching.
The Android ecosystem is huge and it takes very little effort to get an existing Android phone app to run on Android TV. Also, Android TV apps are written in Java which is better suited for higher performing apps/games unlike the web technologies used for Tizen/WebOS apps. It will have way more app growth than the others because of this.
Here are some pics from my Bravia X850D 55 inch which I just picked up on Bestbuy.com on sale for 1,600. The picture is stunning.
That's very nice. I might replace the set in my bedroom with one of those. How are the blacks under dim lighting?
osiris3355
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Dim lit blacks are about what you would expect out of an LCD so there was room for improvement. It was actually pretty uniform when doing tests though.
queequegs__coffin
Banned
How are you liking your Sony? Looking at that model in particular. Would love to hear your thoughts.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
TV arrived the other day, and I have been waiting patiently to get everything "just right." Finall got the cables hidden away the way I wanted, and have confidence this is where I'm going to keep it mounted.
The actual office still needs a LOT of work, but I'm really, really happy with the Samsung 40JU7500. I purchased it specifically because of it's extremely high review on rtings.com for video games. When not used as background noise, it will be used almost exclusively for console games.
Aesthetically, it's very pleasing. 40" is definitely "small," but it's honestly exactly what I need in the room, which measures approximately 10'9'. I ordered a comfy chaise to match the room for playing games, which will take pretty much all the remaining space outside of my computer/desk/chair. When hung on the wall, it gives me more "room," and the thin bezels make it look like it's floating at night.
Picture quality wise, I'm not blown away. I copied the same settings used on the aforementioned site, and colors and white/darks are pretty dang accurate. No terrible bleeding or ghosting, so that's good. But 1080p images are definitely a bit "soft" compared to a native set. It's something I think only I'll ever notice when people might see it, but I do notice it.
But most importantly, how does it play? GREAT! I am VERY susceptible to input lag and shitty refresh rates. I have a 55" LG LED in the family room, and I almost never play games on it because I notice the most ever slight delay. Plus, with no good game mode, there's always this "jitter" when the framerate isn't a perfect 30 or 60, no matter how much I fucked with the settings. I have a 27" Asus G-Sync monitor, and no doubt, this TV isn't quite as fast as that. However, it's the most enjoyable TV gaming experience I've had in a long time. It is DRASTICALLY better than pretty much any of the other sets I've played on in the last five years or so - if not longer - and that's all I really cared about. So I am a happy camper.
... and a bonus pic of how my shelves are coming along...
potatohead
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I don't see how Android TV is work in progress. Sony did a bad job porting Android TV to their Bravia line in the beginning but I can tell you now that they have definitively improved. I have one of the brand new 2016 Sony's and a Shield Android TV and the Android OS has been great. The fact that it has the playstore and built in Chromecast puts the Android OS far past the others. It also has voice dictation that is far beyond anything you will see from the competition as well. Keep in mind you are getting google's database with Android TV when you are voice searching.
The Android ecosystem is huge and it takes very little effort to get an existing Android phone app to run on Android TV. Also, Android TV apps are written in Java which is better suited for higher performing apps/games unlike the web technologies used for Tizen/WebOS apps. It will have way more app growth than the others because of this.
Here are some pics from my Bravia X850D 55 inch which I just picked up on Bestbuy.com on sale for 1,600. The picture is stunning.
Please donate me your TV.
Hey guys, what is your opinion on the Sony KD-55X9305C / Bravia X93C?
I'm looking for a new tv to mainly use for Netflix, YouTube, console gaming in the coming future.
I would like to invest also in a home cinema system but, perhaps, it can wait if the integrated audio system is "good enough".
I'm looking for a new tv to mainly use for Netflix, YouTube, console gaming in the coming future.
I would like to invest also in a home cinema system but, perhaps, it can wait if the integrated audio system is "good enough".
Tatsumi Oga
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I don't see how Android TV is work in progress. Sony did a bad job porting Android TV to their Bravia line in the beginning but I can tell you now that they have definitively improved. I have one of the brand new 2016 Sony's and a Shield Android TV and the Android OS has been great. The fact that it has the playstore and built in Chromecast puts the Android OS far past the others. It also has voice dictation that is far beyond anything you will see from the competition as well. Keep in mind you are getting google's database with Android TV when you are voice searching.
The Android ecosystem is huge and it takes very little effort to get an existing Android phone app to run on Android TV. Also, Android TV apps are written in Java which is better suited for higher performing apps/games unlike the web technologies used for Tizen/WebOS apps. It will have way more app growth than the others because of this.
Here are some pics from my Bravia X850D 55 inch which I just picked up on Bestbuy.com on sale for 1,600. The picture is stunning.
My friend is still looking for his next TV and it's going to be Sony. Do you have any idea what the name of this TV is in Europe?
I got the 2015 model which is the x8505c so it should be called x8505d.
Dr. Zoidberg
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DeepEnigma
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Thank you sir!
Hero_of_the_Day
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Loving my JS8500, but man, there is some weird shit with this TV and your settings. You can tell it what is plugged into each input, so I told it which one has my video games, PC, and bluray player. Trying to play The Division on PC and the TV won't let me turn on game mode. Figured out it was because I told it it was a PC input. Why the fuck would you not let me turn on game mode for PC? So, just don't tell it what is what and it'll let you set things as you see fit.
Dr. Zoidberg
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Setting the input to PC automatically puts it into a lower latency mode and turns on 4:4:4 because they know you will need it for PC. So that option is grayed out because it's already on. It's been like this for Samsung sets a long time but I can see why you were concerned.
You can probably get slightly less lag by changing the name of the input to something else and turning on Game mode but you will lose out on 4:4:4 color which is a big deal to a lot of PC gamers.
Hero_of_the_Day
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I was wondering this since it didn't seem bad as far as input lag goes, which the normal modes do without game mode turned on. But, yeah, the option shows "off" and can't be changed so I had no idea.
DangerMouse
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Yeah I think so, the image looks familiar. It looks stunning on the 2015 version x850c as well. The Ink Drops one was also gorgeous.
Walked in a store with the JS8500 (curved) in mind, ready to purchase.
After seeing the awful edge light bleeding in person, which was one of my worst fears, hated it instantly and turned around just to see a beautiful lg 910V, which I believe it's the 9100 in the US (55" full hd oled from 2015).
No 4k tv has impressed me like this full hd tv. Tried P.T. with the lights out and the room would turn pitch black with the only exception of the torch light at the center of the screen.
Blacks look out of this world, can't wait for 4k, 65 inches sets to be more affordable in a few years, because no way I'm going back to lcd or led for my next tv.
After seeing the awful edge light bleeding in person, which was one of my worst fears, hated it instantly and turned around just to see a beautiful lg 910V, which I believe it's the 9100 in the US (55" full hd oled from 2015).
No 4k tv has impressed me like this full hd tv. Tried P.T. with the lights out and the room would turn pitch black with the only exception of the torch light at the center of the screen.
Blacks look out of this world, can't wait for 4k, 65 inches sets to be more affordable in a few years, because no way I'm going back to lcd or led for my next tv.
Kelegacy
XBOX - RECORD ME LOVING DOWN MY WOMAN GOOD
Yeah, 4k is nice but for now the 1080p OLED still blows it out of the water. A 4k OLED with HDR and all those bells/whistles is the only thing that can really beat it currently, and when prices come down I will definitely upgrade some of my other sets in the house and toss LCD out in the trash for good.
TerryLee81
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Yeah I have the same TV, it's amazing. Haven't found any faults yet, coming from a Sony LCD this is a huge step up. The perfect blacks and viewing angles make such a huge difference.
Best Buy just announced (and is shipping) their first Insignia/Roku 4Ks: 40" for $400, 50" for $500, and 55" for $650. Like most Insignias, they're probably no great shakes, but "good enough" for many people -- and seem easy to set up and use compared to other smart TVs. It's probably the kind of thing I'd recommend to my parents, you know, if they had need at all for 4K, which they don't.
MaximusPayne
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What's up guys? I just picked up a Vizio 65" 4k for my game room. The deal was too good to pass up at best buy. Any pointers at getting the best possible gaming picture with a Vizio set up?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Zoidberg Jesus
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http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...ail&utm_content=5042314947&utm_campaign=E3451
I saw this in an email, and I did a Google search of the model, but couldn't find much. If anyone here has this model, is this a good TV for gaming? In general, is VIZIO a reputable brand?
I saw this in an email, and I did a Google search of the model, but couldn't find much. If anyone here has this model, is this a good TV for gaming? In general, is VIZIO a reputable brand?
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Ah i found it. It's the 55X8505C here as well.
Mad Season
Banned
I just bought an VIZIO E50-C1.
How are these settings for the gaming mode?
also, is this TV limited range or full rgb?
How are these settings for the gaming mode?
also, is this TV limited range or full rgb?
Jigolo
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1. Every TV is different but I'll post mine since it's also a Vizio, albeit the M series (post from page 266 I believe)edit here it is http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=187932366
2. Your backlight is so high, lol. Are you playing in a really bright area?
3. Any modern TV is full range
4. Just go with what your eye likes the most though, just make sure you aren't crushing blacks because you could miss a lot of details.
Alright, here are my preferred settings (I like my colors slightly saturated & neutral color temp):
Cable/set top box:
Picture Mode: Calibrated
Auto Brightness Control: High (depends on lighting of room)
Backlight: 40 (depends on lighting of room)
Brightness: 51
Contrast: 50
Color: 55
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 10
"More Picture"
Color Temperature: Computer
Black Detail: Low
Active LED Zones: On
Reduce Judder: 0 (I have the bar completely empty)
Clear action: Off
Reduce noise: Signal noise: High / Block Noise: Medium
Game Low Latency: Off
Picture Size & Position: Normal/Defualt (never changed this)
Film Mode: Auto
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.1
For gaming (Wii U, never tested PS4 on TV)
Picture Mode: Calibrated
Auto Brightness Control: High (depends on lighting of room)
Backlight: 40 (depends on lighting of room)
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 50
Color: 58
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 10
"More Picture"
Color Temperature: Computer
Black Detail: Low
Active LED Zones: On
Reduce Judder: 0 (I have the bar completely empty)
Clear action: Off
Reduce noise: Signal noise: Off (Greyed out) / Block Noise: Off
Game Low Latency: On
Picture Size & Position: Normal/Defualt (never changed this)
Film Mode: Auto
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.4
My gamma is set pretty high because I love the pop BUT it will over saturate all the colors and crush the blacks. I would probably set it at 2.2 if I were to play on that TV again because crushed blacks is a big no no.
Mad Season
Banned
thanks! shouldnt clear action be set to off, to reduce blur, as it says? for gaming that is
queequegs__coffin
Banned
Have been in the market for a new TV since around the Holidays. I'm coming from a decent Sony 55" 1080p set that is getting long in the tooth and wanted to sell it while it was still marketable and fund a new set. Obviously, 4k is all over the market right now, but it seems standardization is still in its infancy. Ultra Premium HD is a standard announced earlier this year which, eventually, all 4k sets (ones worth buying anyways) will be spec'd as such. The thing is, NO 4k set sold up until now meets the standard and MAYBE some will meet the standard in '16.
Anybody who bought a set when HD was becoming a thing knows the pain of adapting too early with a 720p set or a 1080i set that was gimped before the market/industry fully adapted to hi-def. A not dissimilar thing is happening now.
So that leaves either buying a 1080p panel that has fully matured in tech and features or buying a 4k panel won't meet the requisite and inevitable standard for 4k.
There are pros and cons either way, and it boils down to how much you might care about lossless media consumption and 1:1 reproduction.
4k content is here. You can stream 4k content, though the bitrate is ~15mbps for it. 4k bluray on the other hand has ~100mbps bitrate and regular bluray ~50mbps. So even with 4k streaming, you are getting immense amount of compression and loss of visual fidelity that's easily outclassed by a bluray on a 1080p tv.
Console gaming is moot on a 4k display. If you are lucky enough to play a game at a 1920x1080 resolution, it's not guaranteed to be 4:1 upscaling. In fact, most of the time it's not and adds compression.
PC gaming is the only thing I can think of where a 4k set, now, is justified. Then again, there are 4k monitors better suited for the task than 4k tv's.
So with that in mind, I purchased a 1080p tv (Sony KDL-55W800C). One that even cost more than other 4k sets of different brands. I wish I would have bought it last year even when 1080p sets still had premium features. At any rate, this will last me at least until 2 points in the future: the advent of a PS5 and the market maturation of Ultra Premium HD.
Anybody who bought a set when HD was becoming a thing knows the pain of adapting too early with a 720p set or a 1080i set that was gimped before the market/industry fully adapted to hi-def. A not dissimilar thing is happening now.
So that leaves either buying a 1080p panel that has fully matured in tech and features or buying a 4k panel won't meet the requisite and inevitable standard for 4k.
There are pros and cons either way, and it boils down to how much you might care about lossless media consumption and 1:1 reproduction.
4k content is here. You can stream 4k content, though the bitrate is ~15mbps for it. 4k bluray on the other hand has ~100mbps bitrate and regular bluray ~50mbps. So even with 4k streaming, you are getting immense amount of compression and loss of visual fidelity that's easily outclassed by a bluray on a 1080p tv.
Console gaming is moot on a 4k display. If you are lucky enough to play a game at a 1920x1080 resolution, it's not guaranteed to be 4:1 upscaling. In fact, most of the time it's not and adds compression.
PC gaming is the only thing I can think of where a 4k set, now, is justified. Then again, there are 4k monitors better suited for the task than 4k tv's.
So with that in mind, I purchased a 1080p tv (Sony KDL-55W800C). One that even cost more than other 4k sets of different brands. I wish I would have bought it last year even when 1080p sets still had premium features. At any rate, this will last me at least until 2 points in the future: the advent of a PS5 and the market maturation of Ultra Premium HD.
LOL, I am actually getting rid of my Sony 55W800B today, and replacing it with a Vizio M60-C3 (or m65). I wouldn't spend more than $1500 on a 4K TV today, but at prices less than that, there's not much reason not to. There aren't many 4K sources but 1080p TVs this year are low-end feature-wise. I like my 2014 1080p Sony just fine, but I moved into a house and I need something a bit bigger. Plus I'm moving to an HTPC in my living room (from PS4 as primary media device) and I'll have a 4K source once I do. Going 4K was a no-brainer for me. I wish I could go OLED but it's still not ready yet for the mainstream.
Are there any issues with the Vizio M-series as far as gaming? I know it doesn't do 4:4:4 but I don't care about that, even for HTPC. RTINGS says that it supports 4k@60Hz?
Are there any issues with the Vizio M-series as far as gaming? I know it doesn't do 4:4:4 but I don't care about that, even for HTPC. RTINGS says that it supports 4k@60Hz?
The Ultra Premium tag isn't the end all be all for 4k compatibility. The resolution of 4k isn't going to change. Ultra Premium is more about the specifications for the HDR component of 4K. Those specifications basically up the ante to where any set that has the tag will be able to support HDR10 as well as Dolby Vision HDR. If you bought a 2015 set that's HDR compatible then you are capable of viewing content embedded with HDR10 which by itself is a noticable improvement over standard 4K, IMO. As long as the 4K set you buy can display some form of HDR, I think you are good for the near future.
On the compression side, I have to strongly disagree with you on 1080p Blu Ray being than better 4k streamed. From my experience viewing some of both, 4k streaming always tend to have more detail than 1080p. When you throw HDR and WCG on top of that, forget about it.
About upscaling, a good 4k set will do an awesome job upscaling 1080p content 4k. My 4k set makes satellite 1080i and 1080p blu ray look awesome and damn near 4k like in rare instances.
And like it's been said over and over it's becoming harder and harder to find any new 1080p sets. The tv manufactures seem to be phasing them out and moving on to 4k.
osiris3355
Banned
For that price why wouldn't you get a 4K 2015 Sony instead of a Vizio?
There are pluses and minuses to the Sony compared to the Vizio. The Sony has better processing, color accuracy, and less motion blur, but flashlighting and uneven blacks. And the Sony XBR65X810C uses an IPS panel instead of VA, which is trash.
I still did look at that Sony but it was about $900 more than the 60" Vizio M-series. I just couldn't justify it, not for uneven/gray black levels.
It was late last night by the time I got my new TV home but I'm happy with it. It's so evenly-lit! Black levels are fantastic, and the issue where dark scenes combined with local dimming darkens the whole screen isn't a big deal in the dark. Bright scenes show some dirty screen effect. Hopefully this set will last until someone other than LG starts making big OLEDs, and does the technology justice.
I miss my Pioneer 500M, honestly.
TerryLee81
Member
I did think about buying a 4k LCD but I'm so happy that I went for the 1080p OLED. I could not go back to LCD. We watched a movie last night on my dads 4k Sony led and I was disappointed by the IQ.
If the price comes down by next year I'll probably get a B6 or its successor.
If the price comes down by next year I'll probably get a B6 or its successor.
thewaffles
Member
I ended up going with the Sony XBR55x810c and so far I am very happy with it. I do have some minor light bleed on the corners, but it isn't noticeable enough to impact the experience.
I wish I could've gone with an OLED set, but I was on a budget and I couldn't justify spending twice as much on the 9100. I'll revisit OLED in a few years when there are more players and better prices.
I wish I could've gone with an OLED set, but I was on a budget and I couldn't justify spending twice as much on the 9100. I'll revisit OLED in a few years when there are more players and better prices.