Hundreds of Protesters and Supporters Clash Outside Trump Utah Rally

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Anti Trump Protests

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Steel said:
Let me put it this way, what message do you think it sends that people that are just going to work, or even might need to go to a hospital or a doctor's appointment, are stuck on the highway for hours because a bunch of people got together to stop a rally they have no part of?
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Why do you think protests are about winning people over? Can you point to a protest that's had this goal?

Anyway, adults who don't have the expectation of total convenience and order at all times in their lives are probably thinking "this sucks, I have shit to do, but they must feel strongly about this if they're willing to block a highway and get arrested over it."

Steel said:
Look, I can tell we're not going to agree on this. That's fine. But I don't think this is the best way to shut down a trump event. It's not good optics and it feeds(completely wrongfully, but being wrong never hurt Trump) into Trump's narrative that liberals are paying for a conspiracy to stop him.
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So what? Fox News has set up the same manipulative traps for their own audience for decades now. Do you just do nothing in the face of manipulation?
 
Are we still arguing over the correct or incorrect way to protest? Some of you would die over semantics and arguing about do's and don'ts' while the world burned down around you.

There isn't some universally agreed upon rule book for protests that people should poor have to follow. Basically in my eyes of they are interrupting your regularly scheduled programming to high light a problem they or those they represent are facing then they are doing it right.

It might annoy you or even piss you off but if that's all you are getting out it then you are missing the point completely. You are supposed to feel put off by protests because that is the whole point, shaking the boat till people start paying attention. If it was easy and unobtrusive you would just continue to be ignorant and ignore the very problem they are trying to bring awareness too.
 
Visceir said:
This will only get more people to vote for trump.
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Chances are if they let a traffic jam influence their decision on whether or not they'd vote against a bigoted misogynistic asshole they weren't going to vote for the competition. They're just as bad as trump supporters if they're that petty and lacking in empathy and morals.
 
Is this the political revolution?

Also the comments about the police should shut down one groups free speech to allow another's must take some great deal of cognitive gymnastics
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Why do you think protests are about winning people over? Can you point to a protest that's had this goal?

Anyway, adults who don't have the expectation of total convenience and order at all times in their lives are probably thinking "this sucks, I have shit to do, but they must feel strongly about this if they're willing to block a highway and get arrested over it."

So what? Fox News has set up the same manipulative traps for their own audience for decades now. Do you just do nothing in the face of manipulation?
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1st: MLKJ's protests were about winning people over. They blocked highways and the like because that was the magnitude of the injustice against blacks back then. They needed to do that much to get the narrative focused on their plight, and the reaction from racists to it fueled his protests. With Trump, we already have the media constantly talking about his racist bigotry.

As for the bolded: Let me be clear, I hope that's what people are thinking, but I doubt it.
 
IMO
no matter the protest, every candidate should have to the right to be heard, no matter how shitty that candidate is

that is Democracy

Operation Chaos must go as planned
 
when BLM protestors did this in Oakland last year it only turned people against their movement, even those that supported them.

With a few more protests like this, it won't be long before he's polling higher than Hillary
 
gutter_trash said:
IMO
no matter the protest, every candidate should have to the right to be heard, no matter how shitty that candidate is

that is Democracy

Operation Chaos must go as planned
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No worries, Trump will be on every major network, spewing his bullshit for good 30 minutes or so, so miss me with this he's not getting heard. He's gotten heard more than anyone else imaginable.
 
Holy shit. Some Trump supporters left their cars in the middle of the highway and hiked 3 miles to the venue.(where they wont be let in anyway, its already full)
 
Jharp said:
Well, here's the picture that's been posted in this very thread again:
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Not exactly a ton of exits for people to simply get off and take an alternate route, now is there?
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Looks to me like there's a way around, even if it's a long one. So if you had a pressing reason to get in or out of that suburb, you could still do it. But I can certainly see why the protesters chose that spot for the roadblock - it's the most direct route from the most populated areas.

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Alternate route looks pretty busy right now.

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lmao

Donald Trump is still downtown. It's gonna be a while before he gets to the stage as it's pretty far from the area, and it's going to be a hot day.
 
gutter_trash said:
IMO
no matter the protest, every candidate should have to the right to be heard, no matter how shitty that candidate is

that is Democracy

Operation Chaos must go as planned
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We've heard Trump. And will hear him again and again as he gets his spots on talk shows and the news. His supporters will hear from him through out the day, hour to hour from his Twitter feed. Trump is in the position he's in because people have heard and drunk in his rhetoric and flocked to him. No one has forced a gag into his mouth.

cpp_is_king said:
when BLM protestors did this in Oakland last year it only turned people against their movement, even those that supported them.

With a few more protests like this, it won't be long before he's polling higher than Hillary
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Again and again and again, if all it takes is blocked traffic to make you vote for a racist and xenophobe or to make you switch your votes against protecting minorities, you were never on the side of progress, ever. No matter what you said to convince others or yourself.
 
Violater said:
People love toting the amendments without even knowing them.

[Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.]
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I stand corrected.

But silencing trump and trump supporters is NOT liberal.
 
DontBeThatGuy said:
No worries, Trump will be on every major network, spewing his bullshit for good 30 minutes or so, so miss me with this he's not getting heard. He's gotten heard more than anyone else imaginable.
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You know that Trump destroying the Republican Party is the best thing ever to happen, am right?

why stop him?

Let him destroy that Party and let it go to shit at the Convention.

Hillary 2016!
 
cpp_is_king said:
when BLM protestors did this in Oakland last year it only turned people against their movement, even those that supported them.

With a few more protests like this, it won't be long before he's polling higher than Hillary
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Then I guess many of those individuals didn't care too much in the first place if all it took was some traffic stops to make them against these causes. Good riddance. Also, these protests aren't solely about "getting people on your side," whatever odd bar or convenient flavor of protest that takes.
 
HStallion said:
Are we still arguing over the correct or incorrect way to protest? Some of you would die over semantics and arguing about do's and don'ts' while the world burned down around you.

There isn't some universally agreed upon rule book for protests that people should poor have to follow. Basically in my eyes of they are interrupting your regularly scheduled programming to high light a problem they or those they represent are facing then they are doing it right.

It might annoy you or even piss you off but if that's all you are getting out it then you are missing the point completely. You are supposed to feel put off by protests because that is the whole point, shaking the boat till people start paying attention. If it was easy and unobtrusive you would just continue to be ignorant and ignore the very problem they are trying to bring awareness too.
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That would be fine for something else, but Trump thrives on attention. It doesnt matter if its positive or negative. He's not like other politicians. It creates awareness for their protests yes, but as long as "Trump" appears in the headlines it just serves as free advertisement for him. The more his name is in the news, the more his poll numbers go up. So if anything all this does is benefit trump.
 
SlimySnake said:
I stand corrected.

But silencing trump and trump supporters is NOT liberal.
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They're not silencing them. Hell, Trump's event is full and he's still going to speak at the rally. It's just an inconvenience for everyone else using that highway now that people have abandoned their cars in the middle of it.

Silencing them would be going up to them and literally covering up their mouths.
 
Jacksinthe said:
Oh putting the flames to the feet of his supporters are fine. Stopping individual liberty to do it - isn't. That's my point.

People NEED to know he is campaigning on a platform of racism and xenophobia. They need to understand the gravity of that platform. But you can't stop people from listening. Its never been right. No matter how shitty you think that sounds - I think it's shitty he even gets an audience.

I was held to the flames by GAF for suggesting the KKK be rounded up and thrown under a jail. I was told they had a right to speak their malfeasance.

I don't believe they have a right to spread hatred. Nor Trump. Nor anyone who spews hatred. Unfortunately I'm not King of America so I can't make that happen and despite my personal feelings I have to concede to individual liberty.

I wish they were all thrown under a jail, personally. But stomping on someone else's rights, even if you KNOW they are in the wrong, is not right.
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it puts a bee in your bonnet, surely. But that has nothing to do with why protests happen, and what the point is historically. Which is what the point is. Right/wrong isn't binary. There is a reason this is exploding and frankly it's for the better. America needs to deal with its racism issue, and trump, some how, has become the poster child of that debate here.

They are preventing people from hearing hate from trump. And they will be arrested. But that's about where the situation ends. It's not pretty but it's essential to protesting hate and the situation developing in ameirca.

This is all par for the course of protest. Civil rights activists were killed and arrested. Hate isn't protected from the people and the people will continue to act to prevent it.

Facing trump, his hate, his offers to pay for legal fees, is a severe problem. Sure you can play absolutes and try to just feel better about people agreeing with you that it's wrong. But that again has little to do with why protests happen.

People are facing a terrible precident here. The writing is on the wall, that Mexico will build. Getting hung up on whether it's right or wrong to break up a SS rally is a bit disingenuous considering the literal messages from trump. He is dangerous, as are his followers.

Your issues with gaf are one thing. People not allowing hate to continue in america Is sort of what this country was founded on. Protesting and wrecking shit. This is one of those moments. Who doesnt get your literal point? Do you think that's lost on me? That laws aren't being upheld...?

As if that is some how more valuable to the future of this country than showing hate that you will be in its face every step of the way.

That's what you two are mainly missing. You want to bring out legislation when people are protesting against a racist spewing hate and inciting violent with large numbers of people. If it helps you through this period in history, sure. But don't think it's going to make a difference. As again, history is on the side of people that protest and riot against hate.

Your point, well understood. To the t. However I do hope that you understand delaying a person's civil liberties is an essential facet of protesting issues that have been allowed to get to the point of protest. If people were listening, and doing something about the race issues in america, we wouldn't be here. It is the nature of a protest. Which is why I suggested looking into protests. But be careful, because others may have been delayed from their daily activities.. in the past.
 
cpp_is_king said:
when BLM protestors did this in Oakland last year it only turned people against their movement, even those that supported them.

With a few more protests like this, it won't be long before he's polling higher than Hillary
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Do you have actual evidence that it turned people away that supported them? That people went from, I sympathize with unarmed blacks being murdered in the streets to fuck them, they protested wrong now I don't care?
 
gutter_trash said:
You know that Trump destroying the Republican Party is the best thing ever to happen, am right?

why stop him?

Let him destroy that Party and let it go to shit at the Convention.

Hillary 2016!
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Protesters are pissed off, minorities are getting shit on, nearly 70% of his supporters in a few states want a Muslim ban, so again, am I supposed to be shocked or mad that some people are out there taking action? You can be pragmatic as much as you want, others feel the need to be heard.
 
BitStyle said:
Then I guess many of those individuals didn't care too much in the first place if all it took was some traffic stops to make them against these causes. Good riddance. Also, these protests aren't solely about "getting people on your side," whatever odd bar or convenient flavor of protest that takes.
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When people are literally dying because emergency services can't get through, I don't think you can make this claim. Your right to free speech is not greater than someone else's right to life
 
Nibiru said:
I don't think lefty protest groups have much sway with GoP voters. They might even motivate them.
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Seriously. If there were a bunch of Trump supporters protesting Clinton or Sanders, wouldn't that just galvanize most of their fan bases? You can argue that Trump is inherently a worse candidate than either of the democratic hopefuls, but many of his supporters obviously wouldn't agree with you.
 
cpp_is_king said:
When people are literally dying because emergency services can't get through, I don't think you can make this claim. Your right to free speech is not greater than someone else's right to life
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Again, citation? But I love we're back to the hypotheticals. It wasn't absurd enough last time.
 
I need a photoshop/GIF of the intro to Mortal Kombat Armageddon with Trump and Bernie supporters and Obama at the top of the pyramid.
 
These protests are great, I'm glad they keep happening.
Trump can fuck off.
I want to drink the salty tears of the bigots who think they're the victims.
 
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