BronsonLee
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If it helps, I totally write for the Orlando Sun. AND Forbes!
Oh no.
Early impressions start rolling out for Batman v. Superman
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If it helps, I totally write for the Orlando Sun. AND Forbes!
Oh no.
"Forbes Contributor"
Alandrus Sun
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You're talking nonsense, did you fall asleep during the sequels especially TDKR?
LegendofDragoonLives
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I'm fine with people preferring Keaton. But him being a better Bruce is too ridiculous for me to take seriously considering how 1 dimensional he was. Anyways, we're shitting the thread with this argument.....
BronsonLee
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eh, that might be the idea behind it, but it doesn't play off as well in execution (for me at least). Bale's Bruce feels like he's putting up a facade; Keaton feels like he's uncomfortable in his own skin and in a bit of a daze.
MDSLKTR
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You have to wait for his review, the only opinion that matters get it?
SomedayTheFire
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But they aren't? It's specifically people saying they don't listen to early impressions because reasons.
That is not what ellipses are used for.
JimiNutz
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I'm sure the cast will be fine. I'm worried about the script and director. I just can't trust Snyder to make anything really good. The closest he's come is the directors cut of Watchmen but he always seems to manage to fuck up a film in some way.
I will try and remain optimistic.
I will try and remain optimistic.
Alandrus Sun
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The haters backed off of Gal pretty early on after the initial furor died down.
AquaWateria
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All that hype lol.
Yeah but this is more than just a few people. In fact I've been hearing it from multiple sources so far that this is a top tier CBM, up there with the best.
Also even from the NY chief of Variety:
Plus our very own Vernendus and Penguin had positive reviews round up:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=198767495&postcount=8348
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=198744411&postcount=8117
Colonel Nasty
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This movie needs the equivalent of the racing thread on the other side. Just keep all the bickering in one place please. It's only gonna get worse when one side is right.
Bobby Roberts
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They're misused frequently, sure. But "sarcasm indicator" isn't really one of them.
AquaWateria
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No hate on Gal but she would honestly be last person I would want to play as Wonder Women.
I'm still very hesitant on her playing as Wonder Women, but who knows she could be very great.
This is true. Sarcasm is not one of them.
BronsonLee
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I just want them to finally confirm that Gal is Wonder Woman is actually Gisele from Fast & Furious
I NEVER SEEN NO BODY
I NEVER SEEN NO BODY
In the comments:
Because rushing a team up movie from which to spin off a crapload of spin offs to make a movie-verse like marvel, isn't doin' it for money...
In all seriousness though, first reactions are almost always more positive than when it properly releases, so i will remain sceptical.
Because rushing a team up movie from which to spin off a crapload of spin offs to make a movie-verse like marvel, isn't doin' it for money...
In all seriousness though, first reactions are almost always more positive than when it properly releases, so i will remain sceptical.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Huh, didn't know he's Iranian. Cool.Also even from the NY chief of Variety:
The last person I'd want to play Wonder Woman would be like... I dunno, Anna Faris. Or Rosie O'Donald.
shira
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Fudgepuppy
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Grace isn't that insightful or critical really. She's pretty meandering and will accept a lot.
Just because this is seemingly a better movie doesn't make MoS any better. That movie was bad and will always be bad. It just might be a more necessary watch to fully grasp the context of this movie... maybe.
I really had no doubts that Affleck was going to be the definitive Batman/Bruce Wayne because that bar is not high.
Keaton is fun, but Burton, Haam and Skarren had no real concept of the character. They got Bruce Wayne wrong in the very first shot he appears (walking behind Vicki and Knox making amused faces as they criticized his art collection). Their idea of him being "troubled" is him preferring to sleep hanging upside down like a bat, which was just fucking weird. I know opinions are mixed on this, but I don't like the idea that there even is a Bruce Wayne. I like Batman to be Batman all the time, and Bruce Wayne when he's pretending for other people. There definitely was a Bruce Wayne in Burton's Batman.
Kilmer was really flat in the role. It was almost as if he was just doing a Keaton impression, and I think as much as Schumacher wanted to do his own neon version of Batman, he was still leaning hard on Burton's films and sensibilities in Batman Forever.
Clooney... lol.
Bale's Batman had the best films, but could never be considered definitive. It was an adaptation where the central premise was "put this character in the real world and make him fit". Batman is obsessively driven towards being the Batman. He's a genius polymath who has mastered dozens of disciplines to hone himself into a weapon against crime. Batman Begins tells a Coke Zero version of that story. Bale's Batman is dumb, only fights with lumbering Keysi blows and, for two films, wants desperately to quit being Batman so he can crank out kids with his childhood sweetheart.
Keaton is fun, but Burton, Haam and Skarren had no real concept of the character. They got Bruce Wayne wrong in the very first shot he appears (walking behind Vicki and Knox making amused faces as they criticized his art collection). Their idea of him being "troubled" is him preferring to sleep hanging upside down like a bat, which was just fucking weird. I know opinions are mixed on this, but I don't like the idea that there even is a Bruce Wayne. I like Batman to be Batman all the time, and Bruce Wayne when he's pretending for other people. There definitely was a Bruce Wayne in Burton's Batman.
Kilmer was really flat in the role. It was almost as if he was just doing a Keaton impression, and I think as much as Schumacher wanted to do his own neon version of Batman, he was still leaning hard on Burton's films and sensibilities in Batman Forever.
Clooney... lol.
Bale's Batman had the best films, but could never be considered definitive. It was an adaptation where the central premise was "put this character in the real world and make him fit". Batman is obsessively driven towards being the Batman. He's a genius polymath who has mastered dozens of disciplines to hone himself into a weapon against crime. Batman Begins tells a Coke Zero version of that story. Bale's Batman is dumb, only fights with lumbering Keysi blows and, for two films, wants desperately to quit being Batman so he can crank out kids with his childhood sweetheart.
The true mastermind behind it all.
I've been thinking about this lately and I have to agree with him...Even Bale admitted to being "surprised" with Ledger's performance as the Joker and thought he should have explored the broken nature that both Wayne and the Joker share...I'm paraphrasing here, of course.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Keaton did not have a contained rage at all, he just played a happy go round playboy. And Nolan's Batman trilogy is far superior to Burtons. Bale saying he didn't do as good of a job as he wanted to doesn't diminish him being better than Keaton's 1 dimensional performance. Bale is one the premiere actors of his generation, him not being satisfied doesn't mean it's better than whatever Keaton at the time came up with.
I agree that the script didn't give Keaton as much to work with, but that doesn't justify his performance which wasn't even great as Bruce let alone a standout.
AgentP
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I'm guessing the movie is 2% Superman and Batman fighting, unlike 75% of the trailers.
To be fair DC are not even rushing it though. Compare the movie universe line ups:
1) Iron Man
2) Incredible Hulk
3) Iron Man 2
4) Thor
5) Captain America
**Avengers**
1) Man of Steel
2) Batman V Superman
3) Suicide Sqaud
4) Wonder Woman
**Justice League: Part 1**
1 film less in DC universe in build up to team up.
Bobby Roberts
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The Bruce/Alfred scenes in Begins are probably the only solid time I thought Bale's Bruce felt like a real character at all. So if you're going to argue using Bale's performance in Begins then I'll definitely concede to you there, because there he's decently written and has an actual character arc. I think his Bruce sucks in the sequels though. The Rachel/Bruce scenes in Dark Knight are honestly kind of bad (it also didn't help that Bale and Maggie Gyllenhaal had zero chemistry together on screen). I don't remember a single thing about the Bruce/Dent scenes beyond his "I believe in Harvey Dent" scene mostly because I was focusing more on the (way better written) Harvey Dent character.
I'll just give one example of why I like Keaton's Bruce a little better than Bale's. Look at the scene where Bruce first tries to tell Vicki that he's Batman. Bruce straight up struggles to let the words "I'm Batman" come out of his mouth because that's a fucking huge bombshell to drop and it leaves him open emotionally. Ever try telling a secret to someone you care about and suddenly fumble over your words a bit? That made Keaton's Bruce feel a bit more human and in my opinion gave him a little depth because it felt like he was still a conflicted person internally (maybe I'm digging a little deep there, admittedly). Meanwhile, in Batman Begins, Bale has a line all conveniently queued up and ready to go right after Rachel asks Batman what his real name is. (Yes, technically he's Batman and not Bruce in that scene but it's a "Bruce" moment). That didn't really feel natural or convincing to me.
#1 defender
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Have you seen it and given impressions on it here? If so, could you give me a link? I thought your Deadpool review/impressions turned out to be very accurate, so i'd be interested in what you thought about this film, provided that you didn't spoil much.
Edit: Nevermind, found a link to it at the top of the page.
Tal Shiar Agent
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No. Never. We knew from the moment we walked out of Episode I that something was wrong.
While I definitely see your point, I think the film(s) may be inconsistent on this point. There are sequences where Bruce is alone and not The Batman, particularly in Batman.
Most of his socializing in Batman is with Vicki Vale, whom he pursues openly.
A great example of "contained rage" would be Bale in the penthouse following Rachel's death, with his suit shed across the floor, simmering over his failure without blowing up into hysterics about it.
Nothing about Keaton's performance in '89 was even close. Even during his "I made you, you made me" speech to Joker in the bell tower, he sounds completely cool about it. There's his pretend freak-out in Vicki's apartment when Joker shows up, but that's what it sounds like (and is): someone just playing pretend.
Nothing about Keaton's performance in '89 was even close. Even during his "I made you, you made me" speech to Joker in the bell tower, he sounds completely cool about it. There's his pretend freak-out in Vicki's apartment when Joker shows up, but that's what it sounds like (and is): someone just playing pretend.
shortsFortallPeople
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Yeah, this has me the most worried. It's the same writer (David Goyer) from Man of Steel, which had some stilted-ass dialogue. And from the BvS trailers, it sounds like the trend continues: Lex's "three-syllable word" quip, "tell me, do you bleed," "you've never met a woman like me," so many eye rolls in such a short amount of time. Maybe the story will be good, but I'm afraid that dialogue is gonna keep knocking me out of the movie. My only hope is Terrio, who's also billed as a writer, but that hope dwindles further with every trailer I see.
On the plus side, I have such low hopes for this movie that it can only meet my expectations or exceed them. Only going up from here!
Yes he's seen it. He says it's a legit good movie. He gives a review in the DC Cinematic thread.
Schweinehund
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To be fair DC are not even rushing it though. Compare the movie universe line ups:
1) Iron Man
2) Incredible Hulk
3) Iron Man 2
4) Thor
5) Captain America
**Avengers**
1) Man of Steel
2) Batman V Superman
3) Suicide Sqaud
4) Wonder Woman
**Justice League: Part 1**
1 film less in DC universe in build up to team up.
You need that extra movie though, everyone knows 5 is the magic number. Where would MCU be without Incredible Hulk? How would they even be able to recognize which actor is Bruce Banner?
To be fair DC are not even rushing it though. Compare the movie universe line ups:
1) Iron Man
2) Incredible Hulk
3) Iron Man 2
4) Thor
5) Captain America
**Avengers**
1) Man of Steel
2) Batman V Superman
3) Suicide Sqaud
4) Wonder Woman
**Justice League: Part 1**
1 film less in DC universe in build up to team up.
If the trailers are anything to go by, I think DCCU movie #2 ends with a big superhero team up
Inferno313
Banned
Goyer only did a very very early draft (which is why he has a credit, typically the writer who completes the first draft is guaranteed a credit). What's on the screen is 90-95% Terrio.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You know this ain't true.
Large numbers of fans took quite awhile to arrive at the current narrative. There is no shortage of published autopsy on the phenomenon, even. MULTIPLE books documenting the arc of grief following a Star Wars movie not being very good.
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