Early impressions start rolling out for Batman v. Superman

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jrh2 said:
You literally just said words that are not anywhere in my post. TFA had a few flaws, but the core structure of it is solid. But that's beside the point. A mere hour after seeing BvS last night I was already thinking, "Hey, wait a minute..." The hype left that quickly.

It's a rushed movie that DC was desperate to get out the door to make way for their take on a cinematic universe that already feels soulless.
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Rushed? It was in production for close to three years.
 
jrh2 said:
This movie was like the opposite of The Force Awakens for me. With TFA, the more I thought about it and analyzed it, the stronger I felt it was, and trying to poke holes in the story required logical leaps that I wasn't willing to take.

It's been less than 24 hours since I've seen BvS and I'm already questioning the entire plot and thinking how little it makes sense. And I'm not sure that the spectacle of it really makes up for those faults.

I don't think I'd go out of my way to watch it again.
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Sort of am the opposite. TFA let the emotions do the heavy lifting and that's perfectly fine. Once I had the full picture BvS, I can visualize how the gears connect and it fits together, but it's not a smooth operation. With the pacing I found it hard to get in sync with the film's rhythm.
 
Can You Read My Mind is fucking perfect so long as you switch the audio track over to the isolated score when it begins, and switch it back when it ends.

But that poem...

...ughghagasdfhajdsflfhhfjffffuuuuu
 
jrh2 said:
You literally just said words that are not anywhere in my post. TFA had a few flaws, but the core structure of it is solid. But that's beside the point. A mere hour after seeing BvS last night I was already thinking, "Hey, wait a minute..." The hype left that quickly.

It's a rushed movie that DC was desperate to get out the door to make way for their take on a cinematic universe that already feels soulless.
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That's because it was a remake.
amidoingthisright

That second act was really boring. Rest was fine.
 
Satch said:
Please god PLEASE dont suck 😩😩😩😩

i didnt wait all these years for WW on the big screen just to end up not liking the world and tone the universe is set in 😤
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This is what I said about Star Wars. Go in with the intent of enjoying the film. Not try and nitpick shit. Don't let anyone sour you on a movie you want to see. At the very least people coming out of the movie like it overall.
 
jrh2 said:
You literally just said words that are not anywhere in my post. TFA had a few flaws, but the core structure of it is solid. But that's beside the point. A mere hour after seeing BvS last night I was already thinking, "Hey, wait a minute..." The hype left that quickly.

It's a rushed movie that DC was desperate to get out the door to make way for their take on a cinematic universe that already feels soulless.
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3 years in the making...Rushed. Only GAF.
 
Firemind said:
Donner's Superman is shit. Sorry.
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Raptor said:
I would not go as far as saying is shit but is pretty much unwatchable for me now, the cornyness reaches a level that my eyes cant roll back enough and starts to give me a headache.

They are a product of that time.
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Smokey_Run said:
I tried to watch them and the Burton films about 10 years ago and I thought they were all terrible. I totally understand how they would have been amazing experiences when they were released, but too much time has passed, at least for me.
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Father_Brain said:
That's overstating it, but it's an awkwardly plotted, campy (in a bad way), and generally dated film. Reeve is great, no question, but I find the fixation on it as the reason so many people hate MoS pretty annoying.

Also, the infamous "can you read my mind" scene might be worse than anything in MoS.
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I think the first half of Superman '78 has actually aged really well and is generally excellent. It's the cartoony second half where things go to shit.
 
gamz said:
Rushed? It was in production for close to three years.
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Maybe the film itself wasn't rushed in terms of production. But they are rushing into the idea of the DCEU without taking time to set things up first. MCU got it right by slowly trickling in elements of the world until now we have huge tentpole releases like Avengers and Civil War.

There are so many elements of attempted worldbuilding in BvS that just fall flat and feel totally shoehorned in. And apparently more left on the cutting room floor. I think DC is pacing their reveals all wrong.
 
icespide said:
the Burton films still hold up IMO
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I just watched Batman 1989 last week, and it held up great. I watched it with someone who never watched it before and they described it as "sort of a hot mess" and I was never offended more. It's got some "product of its time" flavor but I think that generally works in its favor as a middle ground between the old 60s camp Batman and the newer, darker Batman breaking ground at that time.

Jack Nicholson's Joker in particular is both extremely campy but genuinely twisted and scary at times and it communicates the middle ground I mentioned really well. I love that movie.
 
broncobuster said:
Sort of am the opposite. TFA let the emotions do the heavy lifting and that's perfectly fine. Once I had the full picture BvS, I can visualize how the gears connect and it fits together, but it's not a smooth operation. With the pacing I found it hard to get in sync with the film's rhythm.
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Besides writing, Snyder seems to have trouble with pacing.
Who did the editing in BvS?
 
jrh2 said:
Maybe the film itself wasn't rushed in terms of production. But they are rushing into the idea of the DCEU without taking time to set things up first. MCU got it right by slowly trickling in elements of the world until now we have huge tentpole releases like Avengers and Civil War.

There are so many elements of attempted worldbuilding in BvS that just fall flat and feel totally shoehorned in. And apparently more left on the cutting room floor. I think DC is pacing their reveals all wrong.
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Hey, Man of Steel was here... It did a fine enough job. =P
 
jrh2 said:
You literally just said words that are not anywhere in my post. TFA had a few flaws, but the core structure of it is solid. But that's beside the point. A mere hour after seeing BvS last night I was already thinking, "Hey, wait a minute..." The hype left that quickly.

It's a rushed movie that DC was desperate to get out the door to make way for their take on a cinematic universe that already feels soulless.
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A solid structure? Guess you didn't watched the 3rd act.
Also, talking about the soul of summer blockbusters whose single purpose for existence is the transfer of money from your wallet to the movie industry is idiotic.
 
jett said:
The Burtman movies are really cheesy. It's kinda funny how once they were considered "dark". Even the Batnolans are starting to lose their luster, to me anyway. I'm starting to believe this entire genre ages like cheese.
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Being cheesy does not mean a movie can't still be considered dark. In Batman returns, Batman is flat-out murdering fools within the first few minutes of the movie. Not to mention all the not-so-subtle sexual references and some truly twisted/broken characters.

That said, I agree that they don't really hold up. Even though I still end up watching them whenever I happen to find one clicking through the channels.

Jason's Ultimatum said:
So is Affleck the best Bruce or was that all hyperbole?
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I thought early word was he was the best Batman, not the best Bruce. Bale is easily the best so far. Not out of the realm of possibility, but that would be a pretty huge surprise here, if so.
 
broncobuster said:
Sort of am the opposite. TFA let the emotions do the heavy lifting and that's perfectly fine. Once I had the full picture BvS, I can visualize how the gears connect and it fits together, but it's not a smooth operation. With the pacing I found it hard to get in sync with the film's rhythm.
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Yeah, I can dig that. Like... if you make a flow chart and follow all the arrows to the right boxes, you can see how all the plot points and characters and MacGuffins all fit together in BvS. But it's too convoluted.

Without revealing any spoilers... literally 5 minutes into the movie things were happening on screen and I thought, "Man, they really better have a good explanation for this by the end." And sure enough, the thing I was concerned about was weakly explained at best and could have been dropped entirely for tighter pacing.
 
SimleuqiR said:
Besides writing, Snyder seems to have trouble with pacing.
Who did the editing in BvS?
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David Brenner, the editor behind illustrious movies such as

Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides
Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps
2012

And of course,

Man of Steel.
 
I can't enjoy Superman movies in 70s. Maybe because I was born like 20 years later after, but those movies are straight nyquell to me
 
Satch said:
Please god PLEASE dont suck 😩😩😩😩

i didnt wait all these years for WW on the big screen just to end up not liking the world and tone the universe is set in 😤
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I've said multiple times that my expectations are checked but I'm still cautiously optimistic. If I walk away not liking this, I might not bother going to see any upcoming DCEU movie Snyder is closely attached to unless reviews suggest otherwise. And it hurts to say that. I'm not interested in watching another dark Superman movie after this. They say this is the dark second chapter -- the 'Empire Strikes Back' of the announced movies he is in. I hope that's right.
 
Meh, it will make enough money. Question is how is WB going to react to the critical acclaim. Keep Snyder for one more movie and then bring in George Miller or someone like that? Doubt they'll put everything on hold.
 
thehypocrite said:
A solid structure? Guess you didn't watched the 3rd act.
Also, talking about the soul of summer blockbusters whose single purpose for existence is the transfer of money from your wallet to the movie industry is idiotic.
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Ok, just forget I said anything about TFA. Clearly you didn't like it.

In a vacuum, BvS is not a great movie. It has serious pacing and world-building issues, especially for a film that is supposed to be a huge part of the foundation for an entire cinematic universe. Characterization is weak, story beats are paper thin, and tone is kinda all over the place.

There are some fun action scenes in the movie, but if you've watched the trailers you've seen most of the good stuff already.
 
INST said:
Meh, it will make enough money. Question is how is WB going to react to the critical acclaim. Keep Snyder for one more movie and then bring in George Miller or someone like that? Doubt they'll put everything on hold.
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Snyder is on JL and they start filming in less than a month. They aren't cutting that short
 
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