Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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I really liked Man Of Steel.

Was absolutely gutted by the savage reviews this movie has received, ended up reading some posts in this thread.

I've liked everything I've read and will probably really enjoy the film.

Now I'm sad I read spoilers.

If I do really enjoy this film I will probably go full media (reviewers, pre-screen impressions) blackouts and judge future DC films by myself. I've gone into praised Marvel films and walked away totally meh. Walked into MoS expecting the worst and really enjoyed it.
 
Aaron said:
Batman doesn't kill because he's insane, and knows he's insane. That one rule is the only thing keeping him from becoming a monster worse than any villains he's ever fought. He's not doing it out of mercy. He's doing it because killing will make things worse.
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It makes sens in a set up universe, not in our real world. From one film to another they tried hard to make batman fits in our world and in my opinion they did succeed with that one.

Going by your logic won't work in real life. Thugs and criminals fear instant death like there's no tomorrow, but they fear nothing else most of the time, not the jail, not the police, not the judge, not the social exclusion. Batman in our world would need to kill to be feared, and to me that's the main strenght of the character : he instils fears in everyone hearts and minds. It's not about his moral code, not about his costume (how many did he has btw ?), he's the personification of fear itself. Batman should be a damocles sword on top of thugs heads to be relevant in our world, and that would need to mean instant death if you pass the line. Plus, there's no moral needed here, you're fighting criminal not the idea of crime, get rid of the criminal mindset by instilling fear of instant death in the criminal population and you'll get rid of crime. It may not be the noblest way, but it's the best.

I never understood the "killing bad people makes you as bad as them". Or at least I don't think it shouldn't be questioned hard. Justice is not questionable and justice is about giving bad people what they deserve. The statement about killing work only if a partial system can always pronounce justice for you, wich isn't the case in gotham city.
 
Rooster12 said:
What??

I know there are some adaptations of the characters that makes him look like a loon (Dark Knight Returns, Man-Bat etc..) but for the most part canon Batman is not insane. Bruce Wayne deep down is one of the nicest guys out there.
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No? Batman is pretty regularly crazy. His whole theme is that he's just as insane as his villains. He's a guy that has tons of money and could probably do a lot to change the world but he dresses as a bat and beats the shit out of people.
 
i keep forgetting stupid things about this movie, like the whole zombie Superman thing when he takes Doomsday to space

WHY WAS THAT IN THE MOVIE
 
Honestly the film is nowhere near as bad as reviews making it out be IMO. I just think yet again we got a shit script holding back the film. The first act is all over like different scripts just whacked together. The knightmare scene is great just oddly placed into the film. Affleck kills it and got me more hyped for his film
 
I really think I'll like the movie. I've learned to not always listen to reviews. Reviews said DOFP was good, thought it was boring. MoS was supposed to be meh, I loved it. I know what I'm getting into with this movie
 
So in the other thread someone posted about the court scene explosion? Is it as awful as he described it or do Superman's actions make sense?
 
When Doomsday first comes out, Superman grabs him and flies him into space. This is the point where I started to think, "Oh good, they are addressing the mayhem and destruction of MoS by making a point of Supes trying to isolate Doomsday so he can't destroy the city."

So for some reason the president decides to launch nukes at Doomsday and Superman, and they hit, and Doomsday survives and falls to earth but Superman is seen floating in space looking all gaunt like a zombie or something. I guess we are supposed to think he might be dead? But the sun heals him like instantly. So there is no emotion, no weight to the scene. It's completely pointless.

(And then the ensuing battle ends up destroying so much stuff anyway. I think the destruction is on par with MoS honestly.)

The more I think about this movie the more I hate it.
 
I can't even

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bryanee said:
Zombie Superman?
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Superman and Doomsday get nuked while in space

Superman's face gets fucked up and all dried out from the nuke, and you see it heal

Mariolee said:
So in the other thread someone posted about the court scene explosion? Is it as awful as he described it or do Superman's actions make sense?
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Superman doesn't let shit happen. He realizes there's a bomb under the guy's wheelchair as he hears the detonator RIGHT before it goes off.

There's a long scene right after where he's talking with Lois, lamenting the fact that he didn't notice it because he wasn't looking for it. He wasn't on his guard then, and it cost him.
 
I feel like the Superman nuke thing was clearly Zack wanting to have the connection to The Dark Knight Returns.

Also, I guess time for Doomsday to evolve?

I don't know!
 
jrh2 said:
When Doomsday first comes out, Superman grabs him and flies him into space. This is the point where I started to think, "Oh good, they are addressing the mayhem and destruction of MoS by making a point of Supes trying to isolate Doomsday so he can't destroy the city."

So for some reason the president decides to launch nukes at Doomsday and Superman, and they hit, and Doomsday survives and falls to earth but Superman is seen floating in space looking all gaunt like a zombie or something. I guess we are supposed to think he might be dead? But the sun heals him like instantly. So there is no emotion, no weight to the scene. It's completely pointless.

(And then the ensuing battle ends up destroying so much stuff anyway. I think the destruction is on par with MoS honestly.)

The more I think about this movie the more I hate it.
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Someone in our preview started clapping like crazy when Supe's came back after that.
 
E the Shaggy said:
I've had time to sleep on it after seeing it last night and I just hate it more. This movie, if Man of Steel didn't do it already, will make you vehemently HATE Superman.

Movie spoilers:

At the beginning of the movie, following the horrific retelling of the events of Man of Steel from Bruce Wayne's perspective which is like 20 9/11s from the ground view, we're taken to Lois Lane in the desert, as shes captured by dudes with guns. Her photographer, who you think might be Jimmy Olsen, has his camera taken and is then shot violently in the head, no lie.

Lois is taken underground, Superman swoops in to save the day. How? By flying at the dude holding Lois at lightspeed and slamming him through about ten brick walls. There's absolute NO WAY that dude isn't paste.

In a later scene, Superman is standing in front of the senate and a man who lost his legs during Man of Steel's finale is sitting in the courtroom, Lex has strapped him with a bomb to detonate to make Superman look bad. Clark hears the click of the detonator, looks at the guy, and just lets the bomb go off. You see the fire just consume hundreds of people as Superman just stands there looking sad.

I can't believe people will take their kids to see this.
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No. You have to be shitting me. I didn't expect much but this is worse than I ever imagined. This is bullshit, right? I may not like Snyder but he can't possibly be that stupid.

Edit: Oh good. Users have confirmed that this guy is full of shit. I mean, I'm still not expecting this to be a great movie, but that description was just over the line.
 
Mariolee said:
So in the other thread someone posted about the court scene explosion? Is it as awful as he described it or do Superman's actions make sense?
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SillyNonsense said:
No. You have to be shitting me. I didn't expect much but this is worse than I ever imagined. This is bullshit, right? I may not like Snyder but he can't possibly be that stupid.
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What they described could be true if one is to take an absolute worst interpretation of every scene. Like, if you interpreted that scene as Superman knowingly let a bomb go off instead of realizing it too late. And if you interpreted the very next scene of him lamenting to Lois about how he failed to notice it as him lying through his teeth.
 
jrh2 said:
When Doomsday first comes out, Superman grabs him and flies him into space. This is the point where I started to think, "Oh good, they are addressing the mayhem and destruction of MoS by making a point of Supes trying to isolate Doomsday so he can't destroy the city."

So for some reason the president decides to launch nukes at Doomsday and Superman, and they hit, and Doomsday survives and falls to earth but Superman is seen floating in space looking all gaunt like a zombie or something. I guess we are supposed to think he might be dead? But the sun heals him like instantly. So there is no emotion, no weight to the scene. It's completely pointless.

(And then the ensuing battle ends up destroying so much stuff anyway. I think the destruction is on par with MoS honestly.)

The more I think about this movie the more I hate it.
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It's a Dark Knight Returns reference

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I like how after the second trailer DC was like 'nah man, Doomsday is only one part of the ending' to the complaints about Doomsday and now spoiler reviews are stating that the Doomsday reveal and fight are the climax of the film.
 
bryanee said:
Ahh so they just do The Dark Knight Returns nuke stuff. I have no issue with that.
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Not really though... the entire point of the nuke in TDKR was that it weakened Supes and made it more of a fair fight. But after he heals... again, it's practically instant... he doesn't seem permanently affected by it.

I dunno, some people might like the callback. But I just feel like this movie is so bloated and so much could have been trimmed to make a much tighter experience.
 
Scrooge McDuck said:
What they described could be true if one is to take an absolute worst interpretation of every scene. Like, if you interpreted that scene as Superman knowingly let a bomb go off instead of realizing it too late. And if you interpreted the very next scene of him lamenting to Lois about how he failed to notice it as him lying through his teeth.
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One thing I've learned is that people will interpret anything the worst way if it fits their bias. Seeing the two different descriptions, it makes more sense that it happened too late for him to stop it
 
Yeah, even with my disdain for the film, those scene descriptions are a little disingenuous. My big problem with all of those events is now how they played out, it's that they didn't need to happen at all for the central conflict to occur. Luthor's supposed "plan" is so convoluted and circuitous. The desert kidnapping didn't need to happen, the interaction with the senator didn't need to happen... there was a much better way to set up all these events.
 
LionPride said:
One thing I've learned is that people will interpret anything the worst way if it fits their bias. Seeing the two different descriptions, it makes more sense that it happened too late for him to stop it
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After reading Daredevil season 2 thread and other film threads I'm sure most of GAF is too busy on a phone then watching the film. Basic scenes showing clear plot points are ignored
 
Hystzen said:
After reading Daredevil season 2 thread and other film threads I'm sure most of GAF is too busy on a phone then watching the film. Basic scenes showing clear plot points are ignored
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I swear, people will be asking why something wasn't explained even when it was clearly explained if they paid even the slightest amounts of attention.
 
jrh2 said:
I dunno, some people might like the callback. But I just feel like this movie is so bloated and so much could have been trimmed to make a much tighter experience.
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Pretty much. I am not a comic book reader so my impression may not be accurate about this, but there are numerous moments where I went "wait, what's the point of that?" and my friend, who is a comic book reader, answered "it's a reference to _____".
 
Hystzen said:
After reading Daredevil season 2 thread and other film threads I'm sure most of GAF is too busy on a phone then watching the film. Basic scenes showing clear plot points are ignored
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I don't even fucking know how you could be on your phone

Anyone who's seen the movie now was at an advanced screening where they will kick you out if you even take out your phone
 
The fact that they *specifically* stated numerous times that the place is empty or civilians has evacuated during the last fight was really funny to me. Ditto with Louis Lane putting the spear under the water only to be hurrying again to get it and THEN she got trapped--I mean, what the hell are you even doing, girl? Lol.

Not really following comic books so on the super people video: I recognized the Flash, Aquaman... and who was the last guy?
 
Laughing Banana said:
The fact that they *specifically* stated numerous times that the place is empty or civilians has evacuated during the last fight was really funny to me. Ditto with Louis Lane putting the spear under the water only to be hurrying again to get it and THEN she got trapped--I mean, what the hell are you even doing, girl? Lol.

Not really following comic books so on the super people video: I recognized the Flash, Aquaman... and who was the last guy?
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Cyborg

Wasn't it so nice of Lex to have proper logos for them and near perfect shorthand

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BronsonLee said:
He purposely kills one person.

ONE.
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I dunno man, the way he shot those people or catapulting the car over the other car, or how he grabbed the gun of a bad guy in the Martha scene and shot it around, and the grenade.... it seemed like he "purposefully" tried to kill so many bad guys in this movie, hahaha.

Penguin said:
Cyborg

Wasn't it so nice of Lex to have proper logos for them and near perfect shorthand

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Absolutely have no knowledge about the dude, hahaha. Thanks.

Ohh, and one more thing: can anyone explain what Luthor was saying at the end of the movie? It seems like something or someone is about to come. Who or what is it?
 
Laughing Banana said:
Ohh, and one more thing: can anyone explain what Luthor was saying at the end of the movie? It seems like something or someone is about to come. Who or what is it?
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He said he opened the door to others who were watching Earth, and nothing can stop them coming. The next shot was a close-up of the painting in Lex's study showing a demon and a world on fire, implying Darkseid.
 
One thing I despise about the movie event (not the movie itself) is that people who casually expressed that they don't like the movie is branded as Marvel fanboy and/or jumped at with "you don't understand, this is different than the Marvel movies". Dude you're not the only ones with a brain.
 
NealMcCauley said:
He said he opened the door to others who were watching Earth, and nothing can stop them coming. The next shot was a close-up of the painting in Lex's study showing a demon and a world on fire, implying Darkseid.
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I have no idea who Darkseid is, hahaha.

Thanks :)

The film wasn't as bad as I expected especially with such a low RT score. I especially enjoyed Eisenberg's Lex Luthor... I guess I am in the minority for that one.
 
ZeroX03 said:
Implication at the end was Darkseid. How Lex knows about him, I have no idea, presumably the Kryptonian ship.
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It's either that, or the Luthor fortune and tech greatness are results of Darkseid's gifts. The latter is more interesting personally but there's little evidence in the film to suggest that.

Laughing Banana said:
I have no idea who Darkseid is, hahaha.

Thanks :)

The film wasn't as bad as I expected especially with such a low RT score. I especially enjoyed Eisenberg's Lex Luthor... I guess I am in the minority for that one.
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No problem, I only know of him from the animated universe. I liked Eisenberg as Luthor too. In a way it was a nice subversion of expectations from his role as Zuckerburg. He's definitely a power mad narcissist, but the gradual realization that he might be genuinely nuts was interesting to watch.
 
cr0w said:
So the movie is basically 2 1/2 hours of fan service.

I am so excited.
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It has countless lame attempts to shoehorn fan service into something that it doesn't belong in.

The Flash time travel scene was a cool idea and totally unexpected to me and I liked it. But the other stuff was cringe-inducing.

*sick guitar riff* *security footage of The Flash stopping a convenience store robbery* *sick guitar riff*
 
NealMcCauley said:
It's either that, or the Luthor fortune and tech greatness are results of Darkseid's gifts. The latter is more interesting personally but there's little evidence in the film to suggest that.
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I feel like they could weave some Braniac manipulation in there or something of the like. It's open ended enough to mean whatever Terrio wants in the future.

jrh2 said:
It has countless lame attempts to shoehorn fan service into something that it doesn't belong in.

The Flash time travel scene was a cool idea and totally unexpected to me and I liked it. But the other stuff was cringe-inducing.

*sick guitar riff* *security footage of The Flash stopping a convenience store robbery* *sick guitar riff*
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Nothing about The Flash in this movie is of service to fans. Nothing.
 
jrh2 said:
It has countless lame attempts to shoehorn fan service into something that it doesn't belong in.

The Flash time travel scene was a cool idea and totally unexpected to me and I liked it. But the other stuff was cringe-inducing.

*sick guitar riff* *security footage of The Flash stopping a convenience store robbery* *sick guitar riff*
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The guitar riff was really cheesy, but I feel bad saying that because basically the same thing when WW first showed up at the fight was pretty fucking badass.
 
I giggled when Bruce opened a folder full of WB viral marketing videos and played the video one by one. Might as well face the audience and say "coming soon to a theatre near you!"

And then the email he sent to Diana was embarrassing.

It doesn't belong to you....

[picture]

...it is you!

RepairmanJack said:
The guitar riff was really cheesy, but I feel bad saying that because basically the same thing when WW first showed up at the fight was pretty fucking badass.
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This one is cool. Cheesy as hell, but cool. I wish the final battle was longer (and less about Superman cuddling Lois. Seriously they keep cuddling at the worst of times since MoS).
 
Yo if we're gonna talk about music, Junkie XL be kicking ass with that Wonder Woman theme

Blocks Doomsday with her gauntlets, guitar riff that shit, TIME TO KICK ASS
 
On the flip side the music was reaaaaaallly fucking dumb when Lex was getting everything he demanded. While he was walking to the ship and every step is hitting with the beat. It was just so damn terrible.
 
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