Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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Jack Remington
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Maybe Lex used it in his experiments.
Mangoverboard
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Bruce knew where Martha was because he had been tracking the Russian mercenary guy (KGBeast?) earlier in the film and it was him who was holding her for Lex. Alfred literally says it.
Nathan_Drake
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After the JL reveal, I turned to my brother and said "did they just show a JL preview in the middle of this movie."
Also all the dream sequences were crazy but the first one with Bruce flying up had me in a bad mood within 3 minutes. Then the dirt on the Supes casket is floating up at the end. GTFO
Metropolis and Gotham are sister cities, seperated by the bay
Lois needs a plane ticket to Washington
Alfred was tracking the russians for Batman, put two and two together
Superman overheard Bruce during the party and put it together. Bruce finds out after his death.
She obviously does it so no one can use it to harm Superman
He took a gamble, that's it
How does Bruce know that she's being held at the Russian dude's waterfront warehouse then? That guy really gets around, and it seems like he could conceivably be in any number of locations.
Someone should make a fan edit of this scene where she just smashes into the ground. Cut to Superman hanging out on the mountain, like "Did I hear something? Nah, just the wind."
Gotham and Metropolis are sister-cities, separated by a bay and a bridge, in New Jersey. Think west coast equivalent of San Francisco and Oakland. They are literally right beside each other.
Alfred heard Bruce and Clark talk about Martha being in trouble. Alfred traced the Russian to the warehouse via his phone.
Batman learned only after Lois called him "Clark" - he met Clark Kent earlier. Clark, not being a complete idiot, pieced it together after having a terse conversation with Bruce and hearing Bruce and Alfred plot at Lex's mansion.
Probably to get it out of the way for Clark.
The second part is, AFAIK, a legitimate plot-hole.
The good chance that Superman is just around and always kind of keyed into Lois? I don't get the sense that, if she fell to her death, Lex would be that chuffed about it.
He can focus his super hearing and key-in on certain things. He basically hears everyone in peril, though.
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Answered a couple. Most are shit holes
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Mangoverboard
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The Africa scene at the start was partly set up to determine if Superman would come to Lois' aid. He just listens out for his loved ones being in danger in particular
Russian mercenary dude is one of the background hydra guys in Winter Soldier. Took me out of the film more than anything else.
Russian mercenary dude is one of the background hydra guys in Winter Soldier. Took me out of the film more than anything else.
What really bums me out is there actually was a decent movie somewhere in this, but they needed someone to cut the chuffa and narrow it's focus.
I mostly hated the majority of the movie, although I really did like the final 25 minutes or so. It kind of put the DCEU in a good-ish place to build from, so I do have hope that the reception to BvS will convince WB to delay Justice League, remove Snyder, and salvage this whole operation.
I mostly hated the majority of the movie, although I really did like the final 25 minutes or so. It kind of put the DCEU in a good-ish place to build from, so I do have hope that the reception to BvS will convince WB to delay Justice League, remove Snyder, and salvage this whole operation.
Nathan_Drake
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What about his mom? Maybe the gag and duct tape prevented hearing her
Mangoverboard
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Lois knew there was trouble at the site of the crashed Kryptonian ship so when she saw it all kicking off over there she realised that maybe chucking the spear away wasn't the best idea.
I actually thought that was well done, there's a pause and you can see her put 2 and 2 together.
I actually thought that was well done, there's a pause and you can see her put 2 and 2 together.
He never had a chance to look for her.
Lex made him go to Batman, and then Batman got him to go to Doomsday.
Is it lead duct tape?
Dash_Riprock
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Spider-Man 3 has J. K. Simmons...
FlashbladeGAF
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I was in Metropolis, I saw what Clark did..
I'm assuming she knew whatever they were fighting originated from the Kryptonian ship, and since the city was getting demolished again (similar to MoS) she figured they may need the Kryptonite spear to weaken whoever was able to trade blows with Superman.
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The Martha thing was genius, and I am sure no one saw that coming.
This is Bruce Wayne, a man who was so distraught and traumatised by witnessing his mother being murdered that he decided to dress like a giant bat and fight crime for 20 years. It works, because Batman is fundamentally and continuously recreating the image of his trauma. He's fucking crazy, that's why it works.
Terrio did his job here.
This is Bruce Wayne, a man who was so distraught and traumatised by witnessing his mother being murdered that he decided to dress like a giant bat and fight crime for 20 years. It works, because Batman is fundamentally and continuously recreating the image of his trauma. He's fucking crazy, that's why it works.
Terrio did his job here.
I could have done without the film treating us like morons and showing us 45 seconds of flashbacks to remind us of the scene that opened the fucking movie.
Yeah, I actually thought that was pretty good
Mangoverboard
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Well when she was first captured he was off being mopey in the snow and not paying attention, then he came back when he heard Lois being pushed and is immediately greeted by Lex telling him he has to kill Batman to save his mom. Superman then reacts incredibly emotionally, instead of pausing and thinking it through
I hope we find out the Joker's mom is also named Martha. It would explain the one and only reason why this version of Batman hasn't killed him yet.
I didn't think it was genius, but I did like it a little bit. I'm not sure why Superman would refer to his mother as "Martha" though....that breaks it a little bit.
Well, Superman thought it through insofar as he wanted to get Batman's help to save his mom instead of just rushing over to kill him.
Nathan_Drake
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But why didnt he know she was in trouble. Nobody told him Lois was thrown off a building. Was he told she was in Africa?
Lois only spidey sense?
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The movie was shit, ofc.
Seperate the concept from the execution.
Conceptually it's a smart idea, in execution it fell flat, IMO. It felt like Martha was kidnapped just so that they could get to that moment. But it was a neat idea.
The fact that he didn't get the opportunity to sputter out 'Kent' broke it a little, but it makes sense he'd call her Martha. Batman didn't know Superman's identity, or didn't seem to care at least, because he's a dolt in this film, so it's like Superman's just asking Batman's help in saving a bystander.
Presumably Batman's decision to accept killing the odd person came after the capture of The Joker.
We'll actually see Batman catch Joker in Suicide Squad IIRC. So that won't be left as a mystery.
BronsonLee
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The Martha thing is one of the rare things in the movie that works.
Mangoverboard
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When the correct thing to do would be to just listen for her and then hit the place at super speed. He also only exchanges about 3 sentences with Batman before they fight properly and Batman is having none of it. Superman also says to Lois he's willing to kill Batman if it comes to it.
I'm not saying this movie is perfect and there's certainly things that don't make sense but I thought the film conveyed a lot of this stuff properly.
He clearly knew she was in Africa. He's her live-in boyfriend and she's going to a wartorn region of the world to ask a terrorist if he's actually a terrorist. I'm just fanwanking here, but I don't think it's unrealistic for him to be in the area, watching out for her.
But after Superman arrives, Lex calls his goons to give them the death sentence and Batman answers. Martha is all up and rescued by then. Then he releases Doomsday. Seems like Superman powerwalked his way to Lex.
BewareTheBatsie
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It's pretty big in the Superman mythology that he always swoops in at the last second to save Lois or someone when falling off a building. It's used humorously in 52 when depowered Clark does the same as he knows Nova- the new hero in Metropolis- will catch him.
Mangoverboard
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Lois screams, he has super hearing and hears it. No biggie
I would assume he knew Lois was in Africa meeting with dangerous extremist members considering they were a couple. Makes sense he'd be keeping an eye out for her.
Why he didn't know his Mom got kidnapped to begin with? Who knows. I would assume he doesn't keep as close of an eye on her considering she's an old woman living on a farm in a small town, and not a journalistic reporter always getting into dangerous situations and falling from great heights.
It amuses me that they immediately ruin the moment by cutting to a shot of Martha Wayne's grave, just so the dumb-dumbs in the audience can understand what's going on.
this. and also superman is so fast he doesn't even have to be in the area.
They obviously speak a different language in Gotham to Metropolis and have completely different media, politics and business. It's the only plausible reason that Clark Kent has no fucking idea who the fuck Bruce Wayne is.
Agreed, I liked that a lot. Yet I've talked to a bunch of people who thought it was dumb as fuck. "He's friends with Superman all of a sudden just because he said Martha?"
ugh
Jack Remington
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BvS is far superior.
PIMPBYBLUD
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Sunuvabitch you're right. I kept saying I know that dude from somewhere the entire time.
It also struck me as weird that Batman has supposedly been operating in Gotham for 2 decades and this is the first time Superman has taken a look into it.
Well, Clark didn't know him to look at him. We actually had no reason to think he didn't know who Bruce Wayne was at all.
That's still kind of silly, granted, because Clark is a reporter and Bruce Wayne is a localish billionaire mogul. Like, I could guess that some randos don't know Warren Buffett at a glance, but if you work at the New York Times? You probably do.
Way too many cuts that ruin scenes in this film.
BewareTheBatsie
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I do hope they might drop the electronic filter for Batman's voice in future films. Is it that hard for Ben Affleck to try and make a different, deeper type of voice between Batman and Bruce Wayne a la Kevin Conroy?
Also was the whole "I've known a few women like you" comment a Catwoman reference? By this point, Bruce probably would only think Diana is just a cunning thief.
Also was the whole "I've known a few women like you" comment a Catwoman reference? By this point, Bruce probably would only think Diana is just a cunning thief.
To be fair, in this universe the woefully under qualified and inexperienced Clark Kent only got the job at the planet because he was fucking the star reporter. The only thing he would be qualified for writing would be reviews of the Deadliest Catch and his column in Gloomy Sadsacks monthly.
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