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How could you not notice it? They literally threw a production still on screen!
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Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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How could you not notice it? They literally threw a production still on screen!
Reminded me of
Mr. PlayStation
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Well, there was no other way but to just have Robin's costume vandalized(aka he's dead by Joker's hands), as the thing to justify Batman's actions in this movie. I get with your comic book history, Prior to watching TDKR parts, I had grown up watching Superman Batman animated movies:Worlds Finest, Public Enemies, Apocalypse, Under the Redhood, a few Justice League movies and the Superman movies, to understand the world around Batman which ultimately leads to TDKR. But it's tough to have all that content done in individual movies and then lead it to BVS
awn of Justice, isn't it!bananafactory
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She was putting it in a safe place. She then knew to retrieve it when she linked her mind with Batman and he told her he needed it.
Why would she feel inclined to put it in a "safe place"? What? What do you mean by "linked her mind"?
It looks like they shot it in an underwater tank and Jason Momoa was holding his breath, which looks weird because Aquaman can breathe underwater.
Mr. PlayStation
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I have a question. Those letters/checks that he's looking at with all those taunts, like you let your family die. Who are those letters/checks intended to? and whom does Bruce Wayne thinks is sending it to him? Does he think Clark Kent/Superman is sending him those letters? And are those intended to the guy in the wheel chair/employee of Wayne?
Flash's clip is confusing because his abilities shouldn't disrupt electricity in that manner. Maybe it's meant to be played as him trying to figure out his powers?
DangerMouse
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She did jump into things a bit much but what do you mean why did she throw it in the water.
I thought that was pretty clear. She found the deepest, darkest place at the bottom of that abandoned building and threw it in the water right after the Batman/Superman fight just after they left and before she knew Batman and Superman would need it. She wanted to "bury it" since at that time Superman's the only one it'd really do anything against (admittedly they probably should have shown her trying to destroy it first, though obviously given what it's been slammed into she wouldn't be able to).
Though like 3N16MA said, I don't recall an explanation for how she came to the conclusion that that was what was needed, other than the TV news reporting on the Krypton ship, which I "guess" made her think it was something Kryptonian?
Mr. PlayStation
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Cyborg's was all out of this world from another galaxy ancient artifact of higher dimensions like thing leading to his creation which made me super curious. Flash's cameo and Aquaman's cameo felt downright weird with their direct eye contact towards the camera. They could've come up with something else subtle. The best cameo I have to say is the Flash coming through a timeportal from the future to warn bruce in a vision/knightmare sequence. I was blown away, and so was everyone of us on thursday night at the cinemas.
The future Flash moment is a cool reference, but totally confusing to an general audience because they haven't been introduced to Flash before that moment.
Mr. PlayStation
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BlackGoku03
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I think Snyder tried to pace the movie like a comic a little too hard. Some of the weird pacing, I think would work in comic/graphic novel form. But it doesn't translate well to movies sometimes. This movie has a lot of individual scenes I loved, but they were oddly placed.
And damn, the soundtrack was a little overbearing in some bits like the Winderwoman picture. I don't think Snyder will go easier on us with that in JL either. He just blared the soundtrack everywhere in this movie.
With all the issues it has, I'll still own the Blu-Ray day one. There were enough great moments in this film that I want to watch more than once.
And damn, the soundtrack was a little overbearing in some bits like the Winderwoman picture. I don't think Snyder will go easier on us with that in JL either. He just blared the soundtrack everywhere in this movie.
With all the issues it has, I'll still own the Blu-Ray day one. There were enough great moments in this film that I want to watch more than once.
BewareTheBatsie
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At the time she tossed it into the water, she thought it was only a weapon that would hurt Clark. Also I'm pretty sure Lois was still around that area and even still in the warehouse when she went to go get it.
I did not like this movie.
Pros:
+ Batman carried this movie. Pretty much every scene with him was great. Alfred was very good too.
+ Wonder Woman was fantastic. Her theme song is dope. I'm really looking forward to her standalone movie now.
+ The intro/MoS flashback was good.
+ The trinity fight was pure hype.
Cons:
- Literally everything else about the movie.
- Not only is the editing and pacing bad, there's a bunch of unnecessary scenes like Pa Kent and the JL cameos.
- Lex Luthor is an annoying little shit.
- Lois Lane is incredibly useless and does nothing in the movie except provide an excuse for Superman to show up.
- The titular fight was laughably one-sided. It made Batman look like a damn bully. Leave Supes alone
Verdict:
4/10. I enjoyed MoS significantly more.
Also, I immediately recognized the Russian mercenary guy from TWS elevator scene and could not unsee it
Pros:
+ Batman carried this movie. Pretty much every scene with him was great. Alfred was very good too.
+ Wonder Woman was fantastic. Her theme song is dope. I'm really looking forward to her standalone movie now.
+ The intro/MoS flashback was good.
+ The trinity fight was pure hype.
Cons:
- Literally everything else about the movie.
- Not only is the editing and pacing bad, there's a bunch of unnecessary scenes like Pa Kent and the JL cameos.
- Lex Luthor is an annoying little shit.
- Lois Lane is incredibly useless and does nothing in the movie except provide an excuse for Superman to show up.
- The titular fight was laughably one-sided. It made Batman look like a damn bully. Leave Supes alone
Verdict:
4/10. I enjoyed MoS significantly more.
Also, I immediately recognized the Russian mercenary guy from TWS elevator scene and could not unsee it
DangerMouse
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Yeah, if I remember right she hadn't even left yet, she was just outside the entrance, since the fight came back to her.
SuperStiltzkin
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Just saw it.
Did we go over why people think Superman shot up a whole village? Even if you though he was an evil alien wanting to destroy humanity, why would he use a gun?
Did we go over why people think Superman shot up a whole village? Even if you though he was an evil alien wanting to destroy humanity, why would he use a gun?
Rubbish King
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That was such a wank film
I'm genuinely offended by how shite it was.
I'm genuinely offended by how shite it was.
Remember in man of steel when he had sensory overload when he was a child? He taught himself to tune out a lot of things and only filter in things that are in his immediate area. The other Kryptoniasn also had sensory overload when their powers manifest themselves when their helmet was off.
Missed opportunity IMO not having the mercs use some sort of dragon breath esque ammunition to mimic his laser sight...
Yeah I'm a bit confused with that as well. Similarly why did people think he was involved with the bombing?
YesNOnoNOYes
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I agree. You out into words what I wanted to say about this batman.
DerZuhälter
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Also. There was no real scene of Batman or Superman revealing each others identities, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5nUsa8ZLm4
Even cartoons handle it better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5nUsa8ZLm4
Even cartoons handle it better.
Gentleman Jack
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What is it with Snyder and putting Lois Lane on aircraft that ferry her from one damsel in distress moment to the next? Is it going to happen N + 1 times for every movie she's in from Man of Steel until they stop making these films?
On the bright side, at least she didn't ride a horse.
What I find ridiculous is that she nearly died three times, and Superman had to save her ass every time.
First time in the desert, then when Lex pushes her from the roof, and then when she goes to retrieve the spear. Snyder probably sees her as a strong, independent woman, but all I saw was a damsel in distress.
Not Amy Adams' fault because she did the most with the material she was given, but man... she deserves way more than this.
SuperStiltzkin
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I don't think people were blaming him for the bombing, but were mad at him for not preventing it.
I like how the movie makes a point of saying "It's okay Doomsday landed on the uninhabited Stryker's Island!" (which is a fucking lie unless they treat criminals as nobodies) I thought maybe the movie had remembered the message it was trying to convey about collateral damage with that awesome beginning. And they don't even fucking fight him there. Batman flies over and gets eye beamed a bit, but he just does it to lure fucking Doomsday back to Gotham. Maybe get the spear first and then come back to Stryker's Island.
Same thing when they start fighting at the Kryptonian ship in downtown. They have the news reports say something in the line of "It's a good thing it's after work hours and the city is almost entirely empty!"
I really liked the movie was well. Could it have been better? Sure. I don't want to argue about the film's quality, though. I just want to ask whether anyone else thinks the film, just like Man of Steel, is brought down by it's musical score:
Don't get me wrong the score on its own is great, but it's also overwhelmingly dark and overbearing. I didn't really enjoy the batmobile chase scene, which was surprising since I enjoyed the Nolan chase scenes very much and this one wasnt really filmed that different but than it occurred to me that the difference lies in the score. Zimmers scores very much carry the Nolan films, they are fast paced, light, higher pitched and heroic. It's easy to feel good just hearing them.
In Snyders films it's different: the score is dark, overbearing and it drowns out any sense of enjoyment. The only notable exception is Wonder Woman's theme and no wonder, it's the scene most enjoyed.
What I argue is that if you were to switch scores between the Nolan Trilogy and Snyders films, the reception to both would be radically different. L
Don't get me wrong the score on its own is great, but it's also overwhelmingly dark and overbearing. I didn't really enjoy the batmobile chase scene, which was surprising since I enjoyed the Nolan chase scenes very much and this one wasnt really filmed that different but than it occurred to me that the difference lies in the score. Zimmers scores very much carry the Nolan films, they are fast paced, light, higher pitched and heroic. It's easy to feel good just hearing them.
In Snyders films it's different: the score is dark, overbearing and it drowns out any sense of enjoyment. The only notable exception is Wonder Woman's theme and no wonder, it's the scene most enjoyed.
What I argue is that if you were to switch scores between the Nolan Trilogy and Snyders films, the reception to both would be radically different. L
Banderdash
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They're being sent by the wheelchair guy.
They're attached to his benefit support payment cheques that he's returned... and they're addressed to Bruce Wayne. There's obviously someone at Wayne enterprises who's not sending them to Bruce...
Wheelchair guy is in on the plot to suicide bomb, hopefully taking out Superman with him... and if not, then at least forcing the government to act against Superman.
Yah. Not that I hate anything in the movie (I don't hate stuff I just dislike it or find it poor) but this s a terrific point I'd like to second. Critics and most posters I believe are judging the film on its own merits and on that basis it's simply not very good.
I'd add I also find it eye rolling annoying when people also use the narrative "but he couldn't do X because the bad guys did Y" as if the film is a documentary of actual events. It's an artificial construct and the only reason anyone behaves in it is because it was written that way. as written thus far Superman is more or less an abject failure, he's not particularly heroic nor does he seem to be a shining moral and ethical beacon. He's just a guy who's overly clingy who happens to be strong. He's clearly not particularly bright. Batman as written is a bitter, radicalised individual who pursues deadly acts driven by his own twisted logic and who ignores common sense a number of times.
Ultimately this has to be the most joyless and overly mechanical comic book movie n a long time. It's like a poorly constructed automation lumber through its preset moves while creaking and clanking at the seams.
It's sucks as a film and it's because of all the poor creative choices made by its creators.
Now I get some will still enjoy it, possibly a lot. Which s fine. People enjoy films that are bad quite often for personal reasons. Maybe they just so want to see these characters on the screen vs not at all. Maybe they really wanted to see a BvS narrative in a film.
All well and good. But that doesn't change the movie from being bad. For personal reasons they just didn't care.
Reminds me of my first trip to Australia. I went to see a game of Oz rules football and really enjoyed it. My friends who I was visiting were very polite about my enjoyment. I did notice crowd was a little subdued and my friends hadn't seemed nearly as in invested as me.
I asked why and they politely informed me it hadn't been a good game. Not if you knew the rules of the sport. Merely average with some poor plays. I had no idea and my own reasons to enjoy it overrode that. Fair enough. But I realised it clearly hadn't been the best example of the sport.
BvS s like that. My you understand the "rules" of films BvS is really poor, worse than average in fact. Hence the reviews. Of course for personal reasons one might enjoy it on different criteria: but that doesn't stop the film actually being bad vs criteria of its medium and other examples of the medium.
Yautja_Warrior
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After a night to think about it, I think the ending was the most disappointing aspect for me, this should have been a big epic finish and instead it was a cgi mess.
They couldn't even get the Doomsday ending right. I mean in the comic they had an epic battle, really smashing each other and then that iconic finish when they punch each other so hard, they both die.
Yet in the movie they just throw each other around a bit and then stab each other, WFT total waste of Doomsday and Death of Superman story.
I actually think MoS is a better made movie, just because it's one complete movie, not a mix of different movies randomly thrown together.
They couldn't even get the Doomsday ending right. I mean in the comic they had an epic battle, really smashing each other and then that iconic finish when they punch each other so hard, they both die.
Yet in the movie they just throw each other around a bit and then stab each other, WFT total waste of Doomsday and Death of Superman story.
I actually think MoS is a better made movie, just because it's one complete movie, not a mix of different movies randomly thrown together.
Kibbles
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Hm I think Lex was sending them because he was letting Superman know about taunting Batman and specifically mentioned the "You Let your family die" note
roflwaffles
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Someone just reminded me about the horse at the beginning scene.
Jesus.
Jesus.
DangerMouse
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Yeah, the soundtrack itself was fine and there were some times where things stayed quiet, but that was one of my main complaints it was unnecessarily blaring too often. Some of the tracks were really good they didn't need to only blare them so loud at times.
Agreed on the JL comeos being unnecessary and could have been done better (though we all knew they were coming), but the Kent scene was pretty important with the story about the two farms I think paralleling what can happen even when Clark's out doing something heroic or as a result of it, which is what Clark is coming to terms with after the explosion. He needed some good advice/stories from dad (in his head) at that moment.
It's a touch convoluted. Lex knows that Lois is the weak link in Superman's armor. He coordinates his private soldiers to guard a warlord Lois is about to interview, knowing Superman will intervene when she's in danger. He does, the soldiers "go rogue" and shoot up a village, allowing the rest of the world to place the blame on Superman's shoulders. If Superman hadn't shown up, the world thinks the warlord's army wouldn't have done anything.
I liked it because it shows Batman having to take collateral damage into consideration and be in Supes shoes for once. They immediately follow it up with saying that the harbor is pretty much abandoned too. Overall, those quibs were unnecessary, but not unlike those in Age of Ultron's final fight. MoS and BvS are getting far too much flak for the collateral damage stuff.
AmaterasuOni
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I saw BvS on Tuesday and now I've already forgotten most of the movie. That's not a memorable movie. I only remember the warehouse fight because it was cool, Doomsday because it was horrible and Wonder Woman because she was cool. I cannot remember anything positive from Superman and I see Bruce Wayne as a very depressed person. Batman was just a vengeaful dickhead.
One idea I have, after seeing the film twice, is that the Comedian would make a fantastic Thomas Wayne Batman in an Elseworlds story.
That's the one (unintentional) set-up in this film that doesn't feel intrusive.
Watching the JLA introduction on a computer screen was just beyond awful.
That's the one (unintentional) set-up in this film that doesn't feel intrusive.
Watching the JLA introduction on a computer screen was just beyond awful.
Posted this in the OT:
I read some posts applauding her big reveal, but it felt ridiculous to me, and that particular track didn't fit at all. Everything WW just felt shoehorned in. Not to mention the JLA cameo reel, wtf was that. 'Okay, here are some other characters we have lined up for you, enjoy!'
I don't get what Eisenberg was going for with this Luthor... Even though it was supposed to be his 'origin', Luthor to me was always cool and calculated, not an incoherent, insecure and socially awkward mess. It felt like he was playing another character.
Superman is just a big fuck-up altogether. There's this moment where he gets surrounded by people wanting to thank him, and all he does is look concerned, with a furrowed brow. Everything feels like such a burden to this Superman, and saving or helping people is like work to him. The colors on his suit are the darkest blue and red, and they might as well be black to me. This ain't Superman.
I read some posts applauding her big reveal, but it felt ridiculous to me, and that particular track didn't fit at all. Everything WW just felt shoehorned in. Not to mention the JLA cameo reel, wtf was that. 'Okay, here are some other characters we have lined up for you, enjoy!'
I don't get what Eisenberg was going for with this Luthor... Even though it was supposed to be his 'origin', Luthor to me was always cool and calculated, not an incoherent, insecure and socially awkward mess. It felt like he was playing another character.
Superman is just a big fuck-up altogether. There's this moment where he gets surrounded by people wanting to thank him, and all he does is look concerned, with a furrowed brow. Everything feels like such a burden to this Superman, and saving or helping people is like work to him. The colors on his suit are the darkest blue and red, and they might as well be black to me. This ain't Superman.
Snyder also really liked the hovering Superman pose. Going to the hearing? Pose midair first before landing (OK sure, to let everyone see him).
But...going to rescue people who are about to drown in a flooded area? Also pose midair for a while, as they're desperately reaching up their hands for you to save them.
But...going to rescue people who are about to drown in a flooded area? Also pose midair for a while, as they're desperately reaching up their hands for you to save them.
ElBoxyBrown
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That Neil deGrasse Tyson cameo tho.
Brother is eatin good.
Brother is eatin good.
My biggest frustration with the Knightmare sequence is how it's implemented. It didn't need to just randomly pop out of nowhere to an audience that has no context, followed by a screaming guy in a portal. Like... just have Flash show up or don't. Just have him show up in the Batcave, ragged as fuck and out of breath, explain what happens in the future, then fade away or something because he can't hold himself in the past for too long. When that scene was playing out, I get what's happening. "Okay, so in this apocalyptic future, Supes went tyrannical and joined with Darkseid, Bats is a resistance fighter which, hey, makes sense why he'd be using guns..."
Like I get all that. But the audience who doesn't know all these DC references? They're going to be completely lost.
Like almost everything in this movie, I get why it's there, I just don't know why it's the way it is.
Like I get all that. But the audience who doesn't know all these DC references? They're going to be completely lost.
Like almost everything in this movie, I get why it's there, I just don't know why it's the way it is.
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