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[Vincent4756]

I honestly think the Flash moment is the point where the timeline gets changed, cause he shows up way too soon.

I think with him showing up too early leads to this timelines Supes dying, and this early death is really gonna be the thing that changes the whole concept. Instead of Superman and WW rounding up the JL with Batman being the hold out, we now have a JL formed by Bats and WW.

Sorry on mobile and still thinking about the movie. Hopes it does well cause I wanna see where this road leads.

Also how much say to Executive Producers have in movies overall? Just wondering.

 

[Pau]

Oh I agree,
Im just saying as named Wayne. The others while 100% Bruce's kids and part of his family still carry their own names and families.
As Alfred was referring to generation of Waynes
Damian and Helena have the Wayne name and would solely carry that(though I always felt Cass would have 100% become Wayne and fit if DC editorial didn't sabotage her.)


It would be interesting to see them two together though in the same universe considering their mothers, Damian's ego, etc

Dick & Jason are a complete given as coming, sadly I think Tim gets thrown under the bus.
Barbara is a given and think Cass has a chance at worst for diversity sake.

Agree about Cass taking on the Wayne name. I think Tim would have kept his hyphenated name too.

I also would love to see Helena and Damian in the same universe, but I don't know if it'll ever happen. Helena just isn't as edgy as Damian. Plus, means giving Bruce and Selina a stable relationship. Well, not necessarily, but far more stable than what's currently going on. She doesn't even know his identity last time I checked.

I'm not as optimistic about Dick and Jason. Babs is the most likely it seems. With the hard on for Frank Miller, if another sidekick shows up, it'll probably be Carrie Kelly unfortunately. If Cass ever makes it to live action I'll be incredibly surprised.

 

[WarMacheen]

Did it explain anything about why lex hates supes or wants batmans head?

Not directly, though I think it is a plot by Darksied to get rid of superman due to clues dropped by Luther

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I won't lie I did get a little giddy when Doomsday grew his horns. I thought he was going to look like a Lord of the Rings monster in the movie.

 

[Magwik]

Did it explain anything about why lex hates supes or wants batmans head?

He doesn't believe in, and hates what Superman stands for. He hates the idea that he is viewed as a God and wants the world to see that Superman is not the god people see him as. From the incident in Africa, to the bombing, and then having him kill Batman (or Batman kills Superman and Lex still wins at that point too).

 

[panama chief]

Batman's question to Alfred about how many good guys are left and how many of them stayed that way definitely adds credence to the rumor that the Joker was probably Robin.

Also, why the FUCK did they not include the action sequence where Batman breaks into Lexcorp. There were so many more things worth cutting in the film, and that scene should not have been one of them.

We needed at least 5 more cuts to Wonder Woman being pretty and useless.

 

[HappyBivouac]

Did it explain anything about why lex hates supes or wants batmans head?

The Lex character, funnily enough, made the most sense to me, actually. He couldn't accept the fact that with all the scientific knowledge, money, and power at his disposal, supes was a "god" that had absolute power over him and the rest of humanity. The way I understood it is that he was basically goading batman, trying to use him to kill superman.

edit: or if superman kills batman, he proves that superman is not "all good." He thought that either way he wins.

 

[NMFried]

I liked the movie, though if it was my decision I would have just called it Dawn of Justice.

I thought they nailed the tone. An evolution of a Nolanverse but with fantastical elements. The tension was real in plenty of that movie though, from the scene in the desert to the court scene with Granny's Tea. Oh man, I really didn't see that coming.

As a more recent DC Comics fan, I was pleased. Flash looks great and Cyborg looks spot-on in terms of what they showed in his origin. Aquaman's cameo was eh, but I've heard it was re-written so that makes sense.

Batfleck and Wonder Woman stole the show. I thought they had great chemistry (felt some Catwoman vibes during the whole "I've known women like you" part) and the score was AWESOME. Especially Wonder Woman's theme.

My biggest problem? Batman explicitly killing people. Shooting them, driving onto their car, blowing them up. Take that out, it was pretty much great.

Overall? 8/10. I will gladly see Justice League and WW.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

He's Batman. How did he throw all those explosives on the goons guns in the warehouse? If you want Batman you have to accept he can do some pretty weird athletic feats.


Your Batman doesn't exist, just in your mind. He's always been collateral damage. The difference between comics and animated tv shows is they're not as graphic as live action. You're just coming to understand this: when people are punched, have sharp things thrown at them, etc. they're going to bleed and break.

I hope we aren't going off of New52 Batman.

I haven't read a Batman comic in forever, but if you throw out Elseworlds type stories (like TDKR) or Golden age gun wielding Batman, I don't remember the modern version (where all of the cannon comes from [Robin/Nightwing Jason Todd/Tim Drake]) of him being cool with killing low level goons out of self defense/collateral damage.

 

[Vincent4756]

I won't lie I did get a little giddy when Doomsday grew his horns. I thought he was going to look like a Lord of the Rings monster in the movie.

Well they did use the Troll sounds for LoTR just mixed down a little I think. The second Roar was straight up Troll.

 

[Busty]

I might type up some thoughts on the film later this weekend but having seen it there is one sequence that really stuck with me in how totally tone deaf it was..., the Cyborg reveal.

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT? It was like something out of a fucking horror film. A scientist father keep the 'leg of lamb' sized remains of his son (I'm assuming) alive by gaffer taping him to, what looks like, a piece of cork board in his basement.

If someone you loved was that badly maimed would you really try and keep them alive or would you just try and let them pass on and end their suffering? I know that it's a comic book film but my brother was asking if it was appropriate to take his 7 yo daughter (who was looking forward to it) along to see the film and based on that sequence it has to be a resounding 'no'.

It looked cheap, it looked horrifying, it completely flew in the face of the film and nearly ground the entire piece to a half as a whole. There had to be a smarter and less horrific way to introduce Cyborg.

Yikes. What a way to introduce a supposed new major character in the DCU.

 

[Pau]

Did it explain anything about why lex hates supes or wants batmans head?

Lex had a bunch of lines explaining why he hates Superman.

Killing Batman takes out the competition, makes Superman look shitty to the public and compromises his morals, and makes it easier for Darkseid to come in and invade.

Or Batman kills Superman. Win-win situation for Lex.

 

[Alienous]

I was so confused when they had Martha Kent get kidnapped, but it was all for 8 seconds worth of smart writing (in concept) delivered horribly. Neat idea but man did they butcher it.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I hope we aren't going off of New52 Batman.

I haven't read a Batman comic in forever, but if you throw out Elseworlds type stories (like TDKR) or Golden age gun wielding Batman, I don't remember the modern version (where all of the cannon comes from [Robin/Nightwing Jason Todd/Tim Drake]) of him being cool with killing low level goons out of self defense/collateral damage.

This basically is TDKR Batman. It's about proving that TDKR Batman is wrong, that his methods are wrong, that along the line he lost his way.

I might type up some thoughts on the film later this weekend but having seen it there is one sequence that really stuck with me in how totally tone deaf it was..., the Cyborg reveal.

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT? It was like something out of a fucking horror film. A scientist father keep the 'leg of lamb' sized remains of his son (I'm assuming) alive by gaffer taping him to, what looks like, a piece of cork board in his basement.

If someone you loved was that badly maimed would you really try and keep them alive or would you just try and let them pass on and end their suffering? I know that it's a comic book film but my brother was asking if it was appropriate to take his 7 yo daughter (who was looking forward to it) along to see the film and based on that sequence it has to be a resounding 'no'.

It looked cheap, it looked horrifying, it completely flew in the face of the film and nearly ground the entire piece to a half as a whole. There had to be a smarter and less horrific way to introduce Cyborg.

Yikes. What a way to introduce a supposed new major character in the DCU.

Wow, that scene really got to you in a way it didn't for me. It was pretty horrifying, but I suppose that's the point.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

I hope we aren't going off of New52 Batman.

I haven't read a Batman comic in forever, but if you throw out Elseworlds type stories (like TDKR) or Golden age gun wielding Batman, I don't remember the modern version (where all of the cannon comes from [Robin/Nightwing Jason Todd/Tim Drake]) of him being cool with killing low level goons out of self defense/collateral damage.

The onus is on you to provide examples of this then as there are plenty from different mediums that support the idea that Batman just doesn't care about collateral damage most of the time. Christopher Nolan got Batman correct in that he doesn't have to save you either.

 

[sketchsanchez]

I still can't believe how the knightmare sequence is presented. There really wasn't any better way to present that? Maybe That whole flash scene would have worked better if he was trying to break through throughout the entire movie, like in Crisis, flashes of him here and there or something before he breaks through finally to deliver his warning.

Or just cut the damn thing but I'm sure the studio was like "you better fucking not"

 

[Dunedain_Ranger]

Lex had a bunch of lines explaining why he hates Superman.

Killing Batman takes out the competition, makes Superman look shitty to the public and compromises his morals, and makes it easier for Darkseid to come in and invade.

Or Batman kills Superman. Win-win situation for Lex.

I picked up most but saw it in 3D and was constantly messing with my glasses which ruined it for me

 

[m_shortpants]

Dude, no. It's never been a hard absolute either way, but Batman, the most common and popular interpretation of him, does not use guns as a primary weapon and does not kill liberally.

I get that this version is a bitter, more brutal version. But, he absolutely murdered dozens of people in this movie for of them for no reason. When he straight up stabbed the guy with the knife, I fully expected him to shank him to death.

This was not Batman, even in the most liberal of interpretations of him.

Even in the part where he's infiltrating the port near the end to save Martha, the part where he blows up all the cars outside is completely unnecessary. He could just swoop in from above, those people outside don't need to exist...

And then in the warehouse fight itself, the action is top notch and incredible to watch. I don't mind the brutality of people getting the shit beaten out of them and breaking arms, but there was one shot where the guy goes to throw the grenade and then is made to drop it. They focus on this guy and how he blows up alongside one of his fellow bad guys....and for what? It literally just leads to an explosion in the background so that Batman looks cool beating up more guys. That death scene is totally unnecessary.

And that's the biggest problem. Batman is seen to be killing people for no reason. I wouldn't mind him killing the henchman to save Martha, but even there I'd rather see him find another way. Eh.

 

[_illmatic_]

Did it explain anything about why lex hates supes or wants batmans head?

He doesn't trust Supes/is obsessed with him being all good and all powerful, and Batman stole his shit, so he's rightfully pissed.

 

[Pau]

I hope we aren't going off of New52 Batman.

I haven't read a Batman comic in forever, but if you throw out Elseworlds type stories (like TDKR) or Golden age gun wielding Batman, I don't remember the modern version (where all of the cannon comes from [Robin/Nightwing Jason Todd/Tim Drake]) of him being cool with killing low level goons out of self defense/collateral damage.

No, you're right. He isn't cool with killing them. The problem comes with creators who want to show mass destruction or brutal fights. Harder to suspend disbelief and believe that none of those goons are dying.

Honestly, I'm more than okay with believing that most of Bruce's actions don't kill goons and tries his damn hardest to minimize loss of life. But I don't care for a super realistic take on Batman either so I might be in the minority there. And definitely not in the same camp as Snyder.

 

[Azerth]

the movie is ok nothing speical.

theres things that dont need to be there, things that need more explanation, things that would have been better in a diff place.

the nightmare sequence, and the flash coming from the future made no sense. how does batman know about darksides symbol, and how does the flash enter a dream?

 

[Kinyou]

I might type up some thoughts on the film later this weekend but having seen it there is one sequence that really stuck with me in how totally tone deaf it was..., the Cyborg reveal.

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT? It was like something out of a fucking horror film. A scientist father keep the 'leg of lamb' sized remains of his son (I'm assuming) alive by gaffer taping him to, what looks like, a piece of cork board in his basement.

If someone you loved was that badly maimed would you really try and keep them alive or would you just try and let them pass on and end their suffering? I know that it's a comic book film but my brother was asking if it was appropriate to take his 7 yo daughter (who was looking forward to it) along to see the film and based on that sequence it has to be a resounding 'no'.

It looked cheap, it looked horrifying, it completely flew in the face of the film and nearly ground the entire piece to a half as a whole. There had to be a smarter and less horrific way to introduce Cyborg.

Yikes. What a way to introduce a supposed new major character in the DCU.

Afaik is it not that different in the comics. Cyborg doesn't have the best reaction to his new life

 

[Busty]

Wow, that scene really got to you in a way it didn't for me. It was pretty horrifying, but I suppose that's the point.

Afaik is it not that different in the comics. Cyborg doesn't have the best reaction to his new life

While there's no way of getting round Cyborg's origin as someone saved by the power of his cybernetic attachments to show the severed torso of Victor in this manner just felt totally out of place from the rest of the film.

 

[Pau]

the movie is ok nothing speical.

theres things that dont need to be there, things that need more explanation, things that would have been better in a diff place.

the nightmare sequence, and the flash coming from the future made no sense. how does batman know about darksides symbol, and how does the flash enter a dream?

I don't think he knows about Darkseid's symbol? I'm sure he'll see it in a later film and recognize it and be like "Shit."

 

[Garlador]

Then you know zero about the Batman character. The best part about Batman vs Superman isn't in the movie, it's "fans" of Batman who are now facing the fact that Batman has never obeyed the no killing rule. There's been many examples shown on this site and else where that illustrate this. It's interesting to see the resistance on this.

Don't be pedantic.

Batman has killed before, absolutely... but these are outliner stories. Exceptions to the "rule". Or, most often, the result of writers who don't really get the character and write him OUT of character.

Batman also wore purple gloves in the early books too. Where are my purple gloves? Batman has dressed up as a Zebra before, so why shouldn't we accept "Zebra Batman" as the default Batman?

Time and time and time and time again, writers have emphasized why MOST versions of Batman DO NOT KILL, or at the very least why he should not kill. It's really not hard to grasp. Entire villains like The Red Hood exist to showcase the difference. The "manslaughter Batman" that Snyder created is not the norm, not the mainstream, not the expected, not the classic, not the familiar, and not the immediately identifiable Batman anymore than a murderous, dour, joyless, dark Superman is for most people.

But even if Batman killed, and you could pass it off as just an Elseworld's tale of Batman, that's fine if the story he's in justifies it and does something meaningful with it. This film does not. It's a misguided portrayal in an already bad film, and him killing criminals just compounds an already problematic movie.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

See, I thought the entire point of portraying the characters this way was to show that there ISN'T always a brilliant alternative to get out of a no-win situation, and honestly I enjoyed that aspect of it. I've seen enough superhero flicks where they miraculously solve all their problems in some unbelievable way and honestly it's worn out.

It's worn out because it's not done very well.

It's usual a magic trick the way some writers have the super hero save the day. Other times it's super predictable, that it's silly. There are decades worth of stories of characters finding answers to no-win scenarios. One only has to do a little research.

I'm actually not asking for a happy ending, but these 2 especially are supposed to be some of the smartest people on Earth. It's their job and it's who they are, to find another way.

If they can't find a way, then make it matter. And show me the after math.
Show me how it affected them, which will then make me care even more for the character.

 

[JTripper]

The Aquaman cameo was so awkward. Why was he staring into the camera so sensually and for so long? Stop looking at me!

 

[Dead]

The Batman killing shit is way overblown, honestly I kept expecting a murder spree and never got it. Obviously you cannot count the Knightmare sequence.

All the Justice League teasing was bullshit, get that shit out of the movie (including Knightmare)

 

[BronsonLee]

Busty's horror gives me life

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Plus, means giving Bruce and Selina a stable relationship. Well, not necessarily, but far more stable than what's currently going on. She doesn't even know his identity last time I checked.

The comics atm are weird, I don't think she is supposed to know yet recently with the

Spoiler

whole being framed for murder thing, after dealing with everything alone
Croc her supposed "friend" tries to kill her for the reward immediately followed by Batgirl showing up to fight her as well she then goes to Bruce for help...
With no memory of her or Catwoman(or Batman for that matter) he sets up a police ambush on her

In my head canon until shown otherwise that woman in bed with Bruce is Selina.

 

[ambar_hitman]

the movie is ok nothing speical.

theres things that dont need to be there, things that need more explanation, things that would have been better in a diff place.

the nightmare sequence, and the flash coming from the future made no sense. how does batman know about darksides symbol, and how does the flash enter a dream?

Its an alternate timeline/different earth future, he is getting it as a vision, all due to Flash messing with speedforce.

Edit: Read this:http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=199124486#post199124486

 

[Sanjuro]

I hate how they kept all the wasted side characters from MoS. Like Jenny? Why? Just to remind you she is a monster of a human being?

 

[Tabby]

I like the movie but I had major problems with it as a fan. One of them being the fact that Lex Luthor knows the identity of Clark Kent. Why? Snyder really messed up in allowing the whole world to know Superman's identity. Zack literally killed Superman. There goes the chance of any sequel solo spin-off. The sad part is that the movie had so many great elements that if they would just step back and focused on a couple of them it would have been a lot better off. Really, they should have just focused the Batman v Superman angle instead of trying to set up Justice League but I guess for that you have to blame the studio for trying to rush Justice League.

It's definitely all Zack and not the studio. He even said it himself.

 

[SimleuqiR]

The Aquaman cameo was so awkward. Why was he staring into the camera so sensually and for so long? Stop looking at me!

I think WB/DC were going for that Pantene endorsement money but it didn't pan out.

 

[Pau]

The Batman killing shit is way overblown, honestly I kept expecting a murder spree and never got it. Obviously you cannot count the Knightmare sequence.

All the Justice League teasing was bullshit, get that shit out of the movie (including Knightmare)

The one thing I found very jarring outside of the Knightmare sequence was when he would shoot goon's guns. You could say that he's aiming precisely and not actually hitting anyone, but it's not something I've ever seen Bruce do in the main continuities or the cartoons.

In my head canon until shown otherwise that woman in bed with Bruce is Selina.

Haha that's what I also told myself.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Don't be pedantic.

Batman has killed before, absolutely... but these are outliner stories. Exceptions to the "rule". Or, most often, the result of writers who don't really get the character and write him OUT of character.

Batman also wore purple gloves in the early books too. Where are my purple gloves? Batman has dressed up as a Zebra before, so why shouldn't we accept "Zebra Batman" as the default Batman?

Time and time and time and time again, writers have emphasized why MOST versions of Batman DO NOT KILL, or at the very least why he should not kill. It's really not hard to grasp. Entire villains like The Red Hood exist to showcase the difference. The "manslaughter Batman" that Snyder created is not the norm, not the mainstream, not the expected, not the classic, not the familiar, and not the immediately identifiable Batman anymore than a murderous, dour, joyless, dark Superman is for most people.

But even if Batman killed, and you could pass it off as just an Elseworld's tale of Batman, that's fine if the story he's in justifies it and does something meaningful with it. This film does not. It's a misguided portrayal in an already bad film, and him killing criminals just compounds an already problematic movie.

But the whole point of Batman's arc is that his harsh methods and cynicism that leads him to acting the way he does are wrong. It's about taking the Batman, the atypical one, the guy with the brand, Frank Miller's wet dream, and demonstrating how entirely wrong he is.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Don't be pedantic.

Batman has killed before, absolutely... but these are outliner stories. Exceptions to the "rule". Or, most often, the result of writers who don't really get the character and write him OUT of character.

Batman also wore purple gloves in the early books too. Where are my purple gloves? Batman has dressed up as a Zebra before, so why shouldn't we accept "Zebra Batman" as the default Batman?

Time and time and time and time again, writers have emphasized why MOST versions of Batman DO NOT KILL, or at the very least why he should not kill. It's really not hard to grasp. Entire villains like The Red Hood exist to showcase the difference. The "manslaughter Batman" that Snyder created is not the norm, not the mainstream, not the expected, not the classic, not the familiar, and not the immediately identifiable Batman anymore than a murderous, dour, joyless, dark Superman is for most people.

But even if Batman killed, and you could pass it off as just an Elseworld's tale of Batman, that's fine if the story he's in justifies it and does something meaningful with it. This film does not. It's a misguided portrayal in an already bad film, and him killing criminals just compounds an already problematic movie.

Subpar is clearly confusing Batman with Punisher for some reason, which likely due to Daredevil Season 2 being out. I'm not sure in what (multi-)universe Batman purposefully kills for the fuck of it, but it's certainly not this one, haha.

 

[Pau]

But the whole point of Batman's arc is that his harsh methods and cynicism that leads him to acting the way he does are wrong. It's about taking the Batman, the atypical one, the guy with the brand, Frank Miller's wet dream, and demonstrating how entirely wrong he is.

I don't know if Snyder actually thinks the Frank Miller wet dream is wrong. To believe that, I'd have to see how they play it from here and if there's actual character development. The stage is set for it but I'm so used to superhero media not allowing their characters to actually follow through on their character arcs.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Just got out of the theatre and...I liked it. I did. Obviously there was a lot of problems, but honestly I really enjoyed the movie. That isn't to say there aren't flaws. Lex Luthor being quirky as shit was a terrible decision to take the character in (also man, Eisenberg shaving his head just for two scenes is dedication). I'd have taken some scene where Lois turns badass and throws the spear at Doomsday rather than Superman dying because his death lacked emotion when we'll see photos of Henry Cavill on the set for Justice League in a few weeks.

The cameos were good. I like the little we've seen of Flash, and think the Injustice angle could be interesting. Cyborg was horrifying to watch, but in a good way. Aquaman sort of just...swam in one spot before he realized he had to stab someone.

Wonder Woman was the highlight. Holy shit was she amazing. I've been hype about her since day 1 and I'm so happy Gadot delivered. Really want her movie to be a success.

 

[Blader]

I hate how they kept all the wasted side characters from MoS. Like Jenny? Why? Just to remind you she is a monster of a human being?

What I want to know is, where was Doug Stamper?!

 

[Sanjuro]

One of the best qualities of Man of Steel was it kind of was it's own interesting experiment. It's fine by itself. You can move on. The fact they used it as a template of this entire universe ruins it. Batman isn't going to be stock Batman, etc etc.

At least with Marvel every property has an accommodating vibe, despite most being formulaic.

 

[Karkador]

I don't know if Snyder actually thinks the Frank Miller wet dream is wrong. To believe that, I'd have to see how they play it from here and if there's actual character development. The stage is set for it but I'm so used to superhero media not allowing their characters to actually follow through on their character arcs.

I'm thinking other people involved are like "zack, please"

 

[Alienous]

But the whole point of Batman's arc is that his harsh methods and cynicism that leads him to acting the way he does are wrong. It's about taking the Batman, the atypical one, the guy with the brand, Frank Miller's wet dream, and demonstrating how entirely wrong he is.

Frank Miller's Batman isn't that, though.

He'll burn you, he'll break your legs, maybe he'll paralyse you, but he still can't bring himself to kill.

"Rubber bullets. Promise".

 

[DeathyBoy]

Loved it. Ballsy as fuck ending it with Superman dead, like the film has consequence. Yeah he'll be back, but likely as part of Darkseids scheme.

 

[Sanjuro]

What I want to know is, where was Doug Stamper?!

He killed himself because the maniacal bitch wouldn't go to a courtside basketball game. I'm pretty sure this is canon.

 

[RagingPhoenix]

Superman is a threat to humanity... I must stop him...
...by bringing more powerful beings who are an even greater threat to humanity.

To be fair I never got the impression from this Lex that he is an advocate of humanity or whatever he is doing is for the benefit of humanity. Sure he must have doled out a couple of lines to swing the senator on his side but I didn't really thought that was his motive all along. His was a more personal agenda, which is not really that well explained if I'm to be honest.

 

[Liamario]

Review-

Justice league references should have been cut. They didn't belong within the movie and what we saw looked like shit:

Too long. Trying to cram 4 MCU movies into one. Extended cut? Are you crazy!

Some bad writing.

Had the potential to be amazing, but destroyed by Justice League nonsense.

The flash looked like ass and his scene was completely out of place.

Recommendation-
Wait for DVD and then watch something else.

 

[SimleuqiR]

the movie is ok nothing speical.

theres things that dont need to be there, things that need more explanation, things that would have been better in a diff place.

the nightmare sequence, and the flash coming from the future made no sense. how does batman know about darksides symbol, and how does the flash enter a dream?

It's not a dream? The way I interpreted that scene is that that "vision" Bruce has is a by product of the Flash time traveling back in time from a alternate future, to warn him about the death of Lois. Basically he saw a version of the future. After Lois dies Supes goes nuts and takes over the world. At that point Darkseid has control of him. There is no other explanation because Bats has never seen a parademon in his life.

 

[BronsonLee]

He killed himself because the maniacal bitch wouldn't go to a courtside basketball game. I'm pretty sure this is canon.

Fucking #dead

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Haha that's what I also told myself.

I really hope they don't use her as a 1 and done "villain of the week" when we get the solo movies.
To me Catwoman/Selina is like Gordon or Alfred and should always be around Gotham even if its one little scene in the first movie as Selina with zero reference to Catwoman.

Even the cartoons struggle with this and "Perchance to Dream" was like the only time Selina felt existent outside her episodes.