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[Zhao_Yun]

I don't read it that way. The considerable sacrifices to performance will be relative to the PS4K, not to the PS4 we currently have.

But what if the PS4K version only runs at 30fps to begin with?

 

[zewone]

Ok but is it still as noisy as the vanilla model?

Yeah, it's noisier, man. They wanted to make sure it was as loud as possible to annoy you.

 

[Suzushiiro]

Let's be real: as soon as there are two hardware targets, the older model is going to be increasingly sidelined. Major publishers will not allow significant time to be spent optimising for the older platform when they will simply use the PS4K version for all their marketing materials.

That will only happen if the 4K actually sells well. If it winds up being a niche product for nerds and the majority of users stick with the standard PS4 because it plays the same games then you'll see most games continue to target PS4/XB1-level specs as a baseline and not go too far out of their way to take advantage of the 4K's higher specs.

 

[Corto]

You know, I was also surprised the whole iterative console thing didn't turn out to be just an unsubstantiated rumour.
But if you think about it, it's a really logical next step with console hardware returning to profitability. (Rather than a loss-leader model)

Exactly my thoughts and also argued as much in some threads about these leaks. If PS4 and Xbox One start being profitable well earlier than any other console before (6 months post-release for the PS4) there's no need to stretch a generation wayyyyyyyyy longer until the companies recoup some of the the investment made on those devices.

 

[Peterthumpa]

People are crazy to assume that developers will focus game performance with the PS4K as a baseline. It isn't rocket science that word of mouth would destroy a bad performing game on the original PS4.

However, if games keep performing and looking better when taking into account their Xbox One counterparts, and looking even better with the new PS4, what's the big deal? Buy it if you want the extra AA, effects and overall eye candy.

Don't buy it and play the same games.

 

[Ferr986]

You won't go pc and here's why. You like the console experience. If anything the cost will be higher on pc. Users essentially need to pay ~$400+ for a new video card every couple years. Getting a completely new console for $400-500 is not a bad deal at all. Then throw in the fact that on pc you'll have to eventually upgrade your processor and motherboard.

My 180€ GTX 460 allowed me to play every PS360 game ported to PC at 1080p and 60 FPS, since 2010 till the gen was finished.
180€, +3 years.

 

[Drencrom]

SoNY spiTTING on its fans like DIRT

The fans DRAGGING Sony to hell and back

I want to personally thank the mod who banned JollyJoe

 

[foxbeldin]

While some people may disagree, I also feel Sony is a highly reactionary company that tries to get into a business they think will be a success as soon as their competitor gets going.

If you look at things like PlayStation Move or PSVR, they're very closely modeled after announced/existing products.

And yes, I feel their hardware/price point combination was 80%+ of what won them this generation, so keeping that is probably a pretty huge objective at the company.

I thought Palmer Luckey himself said he knew the PSVR was in devellopment before launching the OR kickstarter?

 

[Obliterator]

And yes, I feel their hardware/price point combination was 80%+ of what won them this generation, so keeping that is probably a pretty huge objective at the company.

Yep thats absolutely correct

 

[WhiskerFrisker]

Bingo. This is all about the TVs. Sony could stand to make a fortune in 4K adoption.

More TVs, mean more UHDs, mean more PS4Ks.

They are using the Playstation brand as they did to sell DVDs and Blu-rays in previous generations.

If they had a trade in program, they could speed up the adoption rate if people have a reason to buy 4K TVs.

 

[Jack Scofield]

Man, this sucks. Not much else to say, really. Can't wait for my PS4 games to be sub-standard experiences when compared to the "true" PS4K version.

 

[Neff]

I've had a PS4 for about a year and a half, and I don't (and won't, regardless of what happens) regret it, but if OP's post is true then it's a colossally bad idea and will do a great deal of irreparable harm to the PlayStation brand and consumer faith in it.

Sony can be really stupid, but they're not this stupid.

 

[Korezo]

They didn't even allow evo to at least release a driveclub 60fps patch....

 

[PBY]

Except it's not. OG PS4 will be priced down quicker and positioned as the mass market, low entry point option, while the $400-$500 box will cater to enthusiasts in the console space. This ruffle very few panties in the grand scheme of things.

Uhhh I'm an "enthusiast" and I'm basically being forced to buy a new ps4 to play the most optimized games for this box. I don't even mind this concept if it were communicated on the front end, but when I bought my ps4 this was NOT the expectation.

Sony better have a hell of an upgrade program.

 

[see5harp]

If you want a high end experience you have to pay. I am a pc gamer and I upgrade my video card every few years. Battlefield 4 was not running at 60fps max with my old card so I had to upgrade. The card was $750. That's almost two consoles.

You don't have to do anything. I was using a 560 ti that cost $150 until a month ago. I bought a used 680 off a friend for $150. with this budget PC I could probably play witcher 3 at very acceptable framerates.

 

[El-Pistolero]

Wrong.

Your standard PS4 is the same power as it ever was.

The games that can run on the more powerful one will have to be reduced in comparison]

It's all relative. It's like, say you own a Ford Fiesta. If I bought a Ferrari, I could still drive it at 70mph like your Fiesta, or I could drive it at 140mph. Your Fiesta is the still the same speed as it always was, it just looks slower by comparison.

Well, That would be squandered potential, wouldn't it? You have a new box with twice the GPU grunt and you ask developers to limit themselves to increasing the resolution? And by introducing this, will the road to the PS5 become longer? When it hits, let us say, in 2020, how much more powerful will it be compared to the PS4.5? Three times? Another half-assed jump?

 

[superNESjoe]

Cross gen games were JUST stopping, we aren't even to a point where we've seen many games that truly take advantage of the PS4 as is.

This is going to turn right around and bring back cross gen games. We bought PS4 to get next gen games, but we mostly got better versions of PS3 games. Now that true native PS4 games have started to arrive, our PS4 will go back to just giving us last gen games.

This is a serious mistake, it's going to piss off way more people than it'll make happy. Y'all are nuts for supporting this.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Now isn't the greatest place when it comes to performance and stability and load times and general quality of games at release. I don't see that improving for current gen console owners by releasing more powerful hardware.

I don't see it improving either way. It may well be that, for the games they want to make, the hardware is a bottleneck already and the only "solution" to poor performance and load times is more powerful hardware.

 

[Curufinwe]

Can't wait for every game to be ported to vanilla PS4 like Shadow of Mordor PS360.

What makes you think the power gap between PS4.5 and PS4 will be as large as the gap between PS4 and PS3?

 

[Sanke__]

Fucking stoked

Next gen is dead
Long live next gen

 

[Pagusas]

what... is happening here?

 

[AndyMoogle]

Didn't Nintendo set this precedent with the NEW Nintendo 3DS?

You can go all the way back to Game Boy Color for something like this. That wasn't much more than a souped up Game Boy with a color screen. DSi was an overclocked DS.

 

[Kathian]

The same Nintendo whose last console was such a sales dud it never got third party support and they had to abandon it after a few years.

That's why he's keeping his PC dear.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Why would you even post this :/ ?

Out for blood breh. This shit is pathetic. Go back to speculating about fake nx controllers or talk to trees or something.

 

[Fess]

Not like this...

Seriously, bye bye Sony is all I'm thinking right now. Might be an overreaction of course, but it feels like the generation has just started and the first wave of AAA first party games has barely launched yet and now it's time to upgrade. And MS is rumored to do the same. Worst generation I can think of.

So, my wallet is closed, and I just deactivated my PS+ and XBL auto-renewal the other day so it's kind of perfect timing, no more of this nonsense. I'll be on PC for the upgradability aspect, best multiplats and free online plus Nintendo for proper console gaming from here on.

 

[sono]

The New Age of Sony has begun.

They may hope for a new age of profits, They might lose trust and goodwill instead. Now instead. of one console with barely any AAA first party they will have two!

 

[Mr. Giggles]

While some people may disagree, I also feel Sony is a highly reactionary company that tries to get into a business they think will be a success as soon as their competitor gets going.

If you look at things like PlayStation Move or PSVR, they're very closely modeled after announced/existing products.

And yes, I feel their hardware/price point combination was 80%+ of what won them this generation, so keeping that is probably a pretty huge objective at the company.

Yea I agree but in this specific scenario I dont think its in their best interests to follow suit...

I mean....

They broke this behavior by not following MS in their foot steps about online DRM...hopefully they exhibit the same foresight

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Where are Verendus, Shinobi, Zoetis when we need them..

Yeah let's get more people in here to risk their jobs, great idea.

what... is happening here?

They probably think it's a bomb.

 

[RE_Player]

Except it's not. OG PS4 will be priced down quicker and positioned as the mass market, low entry point option, while the $400-$500 box will cater to enthusiasts in the console space. This ruffle very few panties in the grand scheme of things.

40 million panties with be ruffled.

 

[DieH@rd]

"He'll be an outcast. They'll kill him." - these lines take a whole new meaning now when x86 that Cerny pushed for is set to change the console tradition forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-_XWblN3g

 

[LordOcidax]

Didn't Nintendo set this precedent with the NEW Nintendo 3DS?

Talking about consoles, and i think the N3DS was 4 years or more before.

 

[convo]

Except it's not. OG PS4 will be priced down quicker and positioned as the mass market, low entry point option, while the $400-$500 box will cater to enthusiasts in the console space. This ruffle very few panties in the grand scheme of things.

PS4's getting another 100 dollar pricecut would work for the mainstream i guess.

 

[Hellsing321]

Knowing how the industry work we will have bad ports for the ps4/xbox one versions.

Well we already have bad console ports now. Now you can pay to make them go away*

*Until next years upgrade

 

[Tagyhag]

Lmao, what a waste. 2x GPU is not even good enough for 1440p but it is good enough to fragment the userbase.

If this is all true I will no longer buy Playstation consoles until the very last model comes out every generation so I can make sure I get the best experience.

 

[webkatt]

Well looks like my next big gaming purchase will be a gaming PC.

I understand why this is being done but it simply isn't for me. I chose console gaming over PC for ease of entry.

 

[thuway]

There's nothing that Sony is going to be able to tell people that isn't going to make them feel like they're getting screwed over with this. It's that simple. The reactions you're seeing aren't going to go away. The anger around this is basically like what we were seeing with DRM. If Sony were/are actually listening to gamers, then they better start taking the backlash they're seeing right now seriously.

How is this even Remotely like DRM? Sony isn't coming into your home and setting your original PS4 on fire. This is Sony taking a risk and releasing an iterative machine in an era where people are comfortable speding 700 dollars on GPUs alone (that sell out in minutes and in the millions of units).

I get personal attachment to hardware, but I'm not going to wax lyrical that a peice of plastic should receive all the attention of a developer house even if the company has the resources and ambition to do otherwise.

 

[Ray Down]

I barely touch my PS4 nowadays. Time to go full PC / Ninty.

Ninty been doing this with there handhelds and been rumored to do this with the NX.

 

[Raide]

what... is happening here?

Someone dropping of the latest PS4K Devkit.

 

[lostsupper]

Bitches endlessly about underpowered consoles

Threatens to quit console gaming when a huge power boost is offered.

NeoGAF.

Nailed it. This should probably be in the OP.

 

[SanguineShark]

Bitches endlessly about underpowered consoles

Threatens to quit console gaming when a huge power boost is offered.

NeoGAF.

Generalizes an entire forum because of a small fraction of spec whoring gamers.

Doesn't understand why people don't want to spend PC prices without PC advantages.

NeoGAF

 

[Zee-Row]

I'll get it if they make a patch for the Witcher 3 that takes advantage of the hardware.

 

[D1renegade]

Welp. I guess I should stop watching game conferences like E3 because they'll be showing something I'm not gonna experience on my now low class tier 2 PS4.

I hope this fails

 

[PBY]

People are crazy to assume that developers will focus game performance with the PS4K as a baseline. It isn't rocket science that word of mouth would destroy a bad performing game on the original PS4.

However, if games keep performing and looking better when taking into account their Xbox One counterparts, and looking even better with the new PS4, what's the big deal? Buy it if you want the extra AA, effects and overall eye candy.

Don't buy it and play the same games.

Its fairly naive to think that devs won't code to the better box. They can wheel out the beautiful graphics for marketing, and say it will be the same experience on the ps4.0, like we do at the turn of a gen. Then the ps4.0 version chugs, etc, etc.

 

[A-V-B]

Uhhh I'm an "enthusiast" and I'm basically being forced to buy a new ps4 to play the most optimized games for this box. I don't even mind this concept if it were communicated on the front end, but when I bought my ps4 this was NOT the expectation.

Sony better have a hell of an upgrade program.

An upgrade .. program?

Ha ha ha.

AAHAHAHAHA.

 

[Future PhaZe]

so whats that, gtx 680/780 power wise?

 

[The Lone Courier]

Shouldn't Zobist been at this meeting? Where is he at?

 

[mckmas8808]

$200 for a PS4 at GameStop reasonable for a trade in?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[digoutyoursoul]

In a generation of remasters, the gen itself is about to be remastered

 

[jmdajr]

Guys, its not about having an upgrade option. Its the fact that its fantasy to think that the ps4.0 versions aren't going to suffer when devs focus on the better box.

Totally can see the ps4.0 versions of games being chuggy messes.

Don't worry. They will run at 720p! To smooth things out.

 

[Toki767]

The only way $500 would probably be worthwhile to me is if it included PS3 hardware emulation.

$400 is still within spitting distance of impulse buying.