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[sems4arsenal]

So are we buying a 499 console that will last 2-3 years tops to be replaced by PS5? or does that delay the PS5?

 

[Spirited]

Bitches endlessly about underpowered consoles

Threatens to quit console gaming when a huge power boost is offered.

NeoGAF.

"Huge" I do wonder what you mean but to keep it at $400 it's expected.

 

[komorebi]

40 million granny panties with be ruffled.

Fixed that for you...

 

[Ferr986]

They won't make games that run at 20FPS. You'll still get a 30FPS game just with worse image quality and less effects - a game that looks no worse than it'd look on PS4 otherwise if PS4K never existed.

As for 4K, I can see a ton of games possible at that res on a GPU that's 2x what's in PS4.

we'll see. It's not like that never happened. Of course I don't say every game, but some games will suffer, I'm sure about it.

About the 4K, sure. Indies will probably play at 4K. Don't expect the big games though.

 

[Summer Haze]

This seems like it absolutely would divide the userbase.

You cannot honestly tell me devs would only use this for better FPS. Not a chance.

Of course not. The same way a lot of them haven't used the increased of power this gen for 60fps. I really hope 60fps will be a lot more common with the PS4K, though.

2x GPU power and this is supposed to be able to run 4k games? I guess we're in for another half-gen with sub 30 fps games in that case. I wish framerate took precedence over resolution.

CPU would also need a massive boost. I don't see how this could be anywhere near 499$.

Anyone who is seriously expecting anything other than small-scale "indie"-type games running at 4K is delusional.

 

[Future PhaZe]

2x GPU power and this is supposed to be able to run 4k games? I guess we're in for another half-gen with sub 30 fps games in that case. I wish framerate took precedence over resolution.

CPU would also need a massive boost. I don't see how this could be anywhere near 499$.

probably some secret sauce scaling that really isn't close to native 4k but "good enough" for gaming

 

[PBY]

Well the OG version will run at a lower res and/or less effects, shorter draw distance, lower res shadows...and the list goes on. There are so many things devs can tone down in order to achieve stable performance. It's not like Sony is telling them to, (except for maybe a few cases) it's the developer's decision to favor graphics over performance and vica versa.

But this was probably stated quite a few million times before me.

And its likely that the optimization won't be the same as if there was only one model. I'm sorry, I have a really hard time thinking "NOTHING IS CHANGING" when clearly, this seems like a mini gen switch. The old gen gets fucked, there were millions of last-gen consoles out there at the turn of the gen, the last-gen ports still sucked for the most part.

 

[pelican]

fuck
this
shit

I want no part of this, we just started this gen!

This gen started 3 years ago.

 

[Canklestank]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot...



Or this is a really elaborate way of exposing leakers by creating a fake leak and seeing where it goes.

Spoiler

Please let me cling to what little hope I have left.

 

[Elios83]

Seems like a worst case scenario for current PS4 users.
This looks like a mid gen console, basically a new platform on its own with cross gen compatibilty.
I'm not understanding the part about the CPU though, specs should be already well locked with the console about to go in production in a few months.

So we're looking at two Slim models this holiday season, one based on the PS4 specs at 299$ and the other with updated specs at 399$.

 

[Drencrom]

We sure are running right into a storm if this is true.

It will be a hell of a beautiful storm going by Mad Max:FR tho

 

[Siege.exe]

Better framerates, fine. Better resolution, fine. More of the other stuff that I don't really know about, sure, go nuts. Just no "you can play your PS1 games now!!!.... if you upgrade" type garbage and I'm good.

 

[LordofPwn]

when did they start building PS4s for fall 2013? seems like they could launch this year still. E3 should be interesting. I'm ok with this rumoured info though. I do not own a 4K TV, and as long as my PS4 will play all of the upcoming PS4 games then i do not feel the need to upgrade.

 

[AndyD]

Can't wait to see him buy 4K PS4Ks.

I laughed at this one.

That said, I would totally get a 4K to go with a 4K TV, while keeping regular PS4 for the 1080p TVs. Their iterations always run better, cooler and add a few hardware tweaks, so even withou tthe 4K aspect there would be a lot of "mid-gen" upgrade from a lot of people.

 

[KissVibes]

The only thing this means as far as I'm concerned is that multiplatform games on PC should have even better visuals.

 

[Loxley]

God of War 4K VERY ANGRY KRATOS AT 4X THE RESOLUTION!

I can't decide if calling it "God of War 4K" would be incredibly clever or incredibly stupid.

Maybe both.

 

[Hubble]

Sell your PS4 now boys

 

[MilesTeg]

I'll get it if they make a patch for the Witcher 3 that takes advantage of the hardware.

Not gonna lie, W3 crossed my mind as did Cyberpunk

 

[vpance]

Generalizes an entire forum because of a small fraction of spec whoring gamers.

Doesn't understand why people don't want to spend PC prices without PC advantages.

NeoGAF

$400 - $250(?) TIV = $150 is PC prices?

 

[Astrates]

More of an upgrade than expected after the last set of info if true.

I'm not even going to pretend I won't pick one up at lunch.

 

[dickroach]

I'm guessing that because this thread has made it to 20+ pages that it's legit?

Wow.

the NX controller made it to like 200 pages

 

[Metroidvania]

How is this even Remotely like DRM? Sony isn't coming into your home and setting your original PS4 on fire. This is Sony taking a risk and releasing an iterative machine in an era where people are comfortable speding 700 dollars on GPUs alone (that sell out in minutes and in the millions of units).

You're trying to compare hugely different markets. The console space doesn't even occupy the same hemisphere as the enthusiast GPU crowd.

Like, your attempted population comparison is absurd.

 

[Jacob4815]

The death of console gaming.

 

[DustyVonEric]

GOW4 is the real news

Right?

Games directly targeting the console had me, but GoW4 was like "Oh shiiiiiitttt!!!!" 8o

I really wanted this system to be more like higher PC slider setting though. It would suck tremendously if PS4 users got shafted if say certain game modes or features only work on this new version.

"Ellie, I guess we really were Left Behind".

 

[Relix]

Will buy. Very expensive Christmas coming though

 

[blankempathy]

lets abandon 35 millions users and make optimized games for only PS4k. let the losers with the PS4 play a glitchy mess in 20 fps...

haha people here need to relax, its not going to happen guys. it will most probably work like a PC, you have graphics settings. games will not worse than they are today on PS4.

Bring on the future Sony, I am in!

At first it won't happen. It'll take some time but if the ps4k is a success you know devs and sony are going to focus on developing for that version and by doing that inevitably the development for og ps4 games will suffer.

 

[MaulerX]

It's crazy to think that power wise, this Gen has the potential of doing a complete 180 depending on what MS does with the XB1.5 - This shit is happening way to quick but I'm super exited for E3 now.

 

[jaypah]

I thought Palmer Luckey himself said he knew the PSVR was in devellopment before launching the OR kickstarter?

The move was in development before the Wii came out. I know because they had a usable demo on a demo disc, all you needed was a PSEye and a brightly colored ball. Point is a lot of companies develop tech but sometimes they sit on it and react to someone else entering the market. It's one of MS worst traits actually but Sony does it also. Lots of companies do.

 

[Ferr986]

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[spwolf]

The release of PS4k should mean that regular PS4 will stop production faster then not right? It would become the focus.

Nope, ps4 slim will drop in price and continue selling likely (a lot) better than ps4. Ps4k is fan service from sony.

 

[LegendofLex]

Seems like a worst case scenario for current PS4 users.

Nah, it's fine, I'll have more money to spend on more worthwhile things than games.

 

[Tagyhag]

you won't be playing playstation for a very very long time then.

The only way that'd be true is if Sony turned their consoles into a service rather than an actual console.

And in that case I want no part of this mess.

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

If you look at things like PlayStation Move or PSVR, they're very closely modeled after announced/existing products.

but hasn't it been proven that they were working on Move (and in wand form) back in the EyeToy days before Wii was even a thing? and working on VR shortly after the inception of Move, via 2 x Moves taped to the Sony HMD?

 

[Incitemaybe]

Huh, I guess I'll just wait for the upgrade after the 4K one then. I mean I just bought a ps4 a month ago even with the suspicion of a slimmer version releasing later this year. More than likely my priority will be a NX later this year.

 

[WordsintheWater]

Sell your PS4 now boys

But Uncharted 4 is coming in 2 months :-(

 

[Fordfx2]

4k 60fps im in.

Spoiler

But that won't happen

really happy i didn't impulse buy a PS4 when they came out though.

Bad news, thats NOT happening with ANY console..maybe in 5 years, but even PC's struggle with this right now unless your PC is quad SLI 980 TI's.

 

[LudicrousSpeed]

4K downsampled to a 1080p TV screen actually works for me.

Would they let us turn off AA in those cases and get maximum FPS performance?

If so, I'm signing up.

I can't afford a 4K TV at the moment, but 4K downsampled to 1080p would be pretty fucking awesome in it's own right - especially with all the horsepower behind it.

This only works when the games are being rendered at 4K.

What they're talking about for this PS4K is to render at 1080p (or for the games that can't do that, something below 1080p) and then upscale to 4K. At which point, you're probably better off just having it output directly to 1080p and skip the needless upscale and downscale.

 

[zsynqx]

Sell your PS4 now boys

Uncharted 4 comes out in just over a month.

 

[JumPeRJumPzZ]

But why are people so sure that we will see this upgraded machines at E3?

 

[Instro]

Not quite sure how a GPU that is twice as powerful as what they currently have is enough to push 4k in anything.

 

[MilesTeg]

Sell your PS4 now boys

Nah im not waiting around that long without a ps4

 

[joecanada]

Uhhh I'm an "enthusiast" and I'm basically being forced to buy a new ps4 to play the most optimized games for this box. I don't even mind this concept if it were communicated on the front end, but when I bought my ps4 this was NOT the expectation.

Sony better have a hell of an upgrade program.

if you are an enthusiast of something you don't keep the same old crap around for 4 years lol. you should be excited. or don't upgrade and don't worry about it.

 

[BumRush]

the NX controller made it to like 200 pages

But this one came directly from the OP...1st hand information is always vetted by the Mods, no?

 

[RAIDEN1]

What does the PS4K mean for the PS5....

 

[pelican]

Day one.

Goodbye traditional console cycle.

 

[A-V-B]

$400 - $250(?) TIV = $150 is PC prices?

Why do you think there will be trade-ins?

 

[Sumio Mondo]

I can't decide if calling it "God of War 4K" would be incredibly clever or incredibly stupid.

Maybe both.

It's like the N64 titles all over again (Super Mario 64, Pilotwings 64 etc). Gotta get that branding in there with that name!

 

[//DEVIL//]

This really fucking sucks. I guess Sony figured "They spend $1000 upgrading their phones every year. Why not their consoles?"

The return of Arrogant Sony.

I am not sure whats the problem. this is the right thing to do. and I expect this to continue for the whole generation of consoles and new consoles as well.

I expect the PS5 to be an upgraded PS4k as well and so on that will let you play your current games. To be honest, I couldn't be much happier. if anything. I will not feel the regret of buying so many games and then knowing I will not be able to play them on a new console.

as long as your PS4 play those games as its intended, you shouldn't worry it. if you want to play the same games you already bought with a better graphics than your current console cant, then you can trade in and upgrade your system.

I am glad they finally went ahead with the Andriod / IOS /PC route . it should have been there since the PS4 and Xbox one was announced.

 

[kewlmyc]

I'm not made of money, Sony. Dammit.

 

[Durante]

Exactly my thoughts and also argued as much in some threads about these leaks. If PS4 and Xbox One start being profitable well earlier than any other console before (6 months post-release for the PS4) there's no need to stretch a generation wayyyyyyyyy longer until the companies recoup some of the the investment made on those devices.

Yeah. I'm sure there are other contributing factors, but I doubt they'd be doing this without that hardware margin opening up the possibility.

2x GPU power and this is supposed to be able to run 4k games?

Maybe some indie games. It's certainly not going to run 1080p30 AAA PS4 games at 4k.