Jack Scofield
Member
I'll laugh if they finally announce folders and "appear offline" mode but as PS4K exclusives.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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If that's the case, then I'm done buying consoles. Might as well get all the PC benefits if I have to deal with graphic settings anyway.
This is a bad idea.and will alienate a lot of people. Console purchases are a big deal, and a lot of people save for a while to buy one. I'm already considering cancelling my PSVR order at this point.
I like this post. It is a good post.
This is a matter of language and perspective.
The games are authored for both consoles. From the perspective of the more powerful console the current ps4 is a sacrificed version. From the perspective of the current ps4 the game will look as good as the power of the console allows, in other words comparative to other ps4 games.
Most engines scale their settings pretty nicely so it is improbable that the games will be different, just that they will look better on the more powerful console. This is much like PC versions of games are the same as consoles, but they have better effects, longer draw distances etc.
Guys at this point in time, PS4 multplatform games run with "significant sacrifices" compared to their PC counterparts. I really don't get what the big deal is. If you're okay with things the way they are right now, then you should be okay with things the way they are when the PS4K releases. Games will run at the same fidelity ps4 owners are used to. They'll just be better on the PS4K.
KatamariOnTheRocks
Member
So I wanted to start off by saying, I think Sony has done a pretty great job with the range of games available for PS4. They are diverse, interesting, and compelling. From Bloodborne to The Order: 1886, the first party lineup reflects a large spectrum of genres and player preferences.
With that being said, lets talk about PS4. From a marketing standpoint, it's the star of the show. It's a great console. When we look at the way it's portrayed in promotional media, leaks, and art in advertisements we know a few things about it..
It's Fast.
It's Silly.
It kind of sounds like an airplane sometimes.
It's a good console.
It's body seems to be comprised of about 95% matte finish.
Almost all of it's art reflects this. It's got cool skins:
It's got fun poses:
Its's got amazing intro animations:
All of this reinforces the great character you've built around the PS4.
Then out of seemingly no where we have this iteration:
WHAT? What about this console has anything to do with the brand you're building at Sony? It's not fun, its not silly, it has nothing to do with being a Halo killer. It just reduces PS4 to another bland gaming console.
We aren't looking at a PS Vita here, this isn't a console who is in part defined by proprietary memory cards. This console says to the player base, oh we've got all these cool diverse games, but at any moment we are willing to reduce them to 30 FPS/720p to help boost our investment game.
Getting 4k into an existing console generation isn't a small task, it has to go through an implementer, a team lead, a 4k director, and a creative 4k director. This is a team effort. And I believe the team is responsible for upholding the great example Sony can set to the rest of the industry for creating strong gaming consoles.
I have a young daughter that everyday when I wake up wants to watch the PS4 startup intro again. She knows who Ellie is, and as she grows up, she can grow up alongside these videogames.
What I'm asking is that as you continue to add to the PS4 line up and investment elements, you double down on your commitment to create strong gaming consoles that aren't replaced with improved iterations. You've been doing a good job so far, but shipping with a second console like this undermines so much of the good you've already done.
In all seriousness, this sounds like a great way to avoid super long console generations so I'll be buying one day 1.
With that being said, lets talk about PS4. From a marketing standpoint, it's the star of the show. It's a great console. When we look at the way it's portrayed in promotional media, leaks, and art in advertisements we know a few things about it..
It's Fast.
It's Silly.
It kind of sounds like an airplane sometimes.
It's a good console.
It's body seems to be comprised of about 95% matte finish.
Almost all of it's art reflects this. It's got cool skins:
It's got fun poses:
Its's got amazing intro animations:
All of this reinforces the great character you've built around the PS4.
Then out of seemingly no where we have this iteration:
WHAT? What about this console has anything to do with the brand you're building at Sony? It's not fun, its not silly, it has nothing to do with being a Halo killer. It just reduces PS4 to another bland gaming console.
We aren't looking at a PS Vita here, this isn't a console who is in part defined by proprietary memory cards. This console says to the player base, oh we've got all these cool diverse games, but at any moment we are willing to reduce them to 30 FPS/720p to help boost our investment game.
Getting 4k into an existing console generation isn't a small task, it has to go through an implementer, a team lead, a 4k director, and a creative 4k director. This is a team effort. And I believe the team is responsible for upholding the great example Sony can set to the rest of the industry for creating strong gaming consoles.
I have a young daughter that everyday when I wake up wants to watch the PS4 startup intro again. She knows who Ellie is, and as she grows up, she can grow up alongside these videogames.
What I'm asking is that as you continue to add to the PS4 line up and investment elements, you double down on your commitment to create strong gaming consoles that aren't replaced with improved iterations. You've been doing a good job so far, but shipping with a second console like this undermines so much of the good you've already done.
In all seriousness, this sounds like a great way to avoid super long console generations so I'll be buying one day 1.
Camp1nCarl
Member
It means potentially hold out for the PS5K coming 2 years after lol. Could be an interesting precedent to say the least...
ShadowSoldier89
Member
So... If u don't want to pay for an iterative console... Then don't and continue to play on your vanilla ps4.
I don't understand how this is at all a bad thing unless it gets exclusive games, or game performance suffers badly on the vanilla. All the info we have says no exclusives and one throw away line about significant performance differences
I don't understand how this is at all a bad thing unless it gets exclusive games, or game performance suffers badly on the vanilla. All the info we have says no exclusives and one throw away line about significant performance differences
Are you sure....in a time where it's normal to release games in an alpha/beta state? Where patches are almost always needed? And online is almost always in a non-adequate state?
I would fully expect Sony to cash in on the existing userbase to "grow" the overall PS4 userbase.
timmyp53
Member
Performance obviously.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
Sony are making a big push on 4K television and content.
This is their way into getting you to buy into that ecosystem.
Omega Kirby
Member
Good time to get a PS4 now
vpance
Member
Well it does say they might in the OP. Of course you can always sell on Ebay or to GS on your own too.
Because then it would not likely play PS4 games and piss off even more people. Making it an upgraded console, they will likely make all PS4/PS4k cross-compatible (with graphics differencesand performance separating them).
Edit: Didn't realize this was already at 45 pages.
Thank you. Should be in the OP but people will ignore this post.
dragonzdogma
Member
Does it make the most powerful gaming PC set up look obsolete or nor even close?
"I'm expecting a modified 14nm 7970 based APU instead of the modified 7870 APU in the current PS4"
Spamming gifs like that in every thread? Sure.
Netherscourge
Banned
...YET.
Sony also sells 4K TVs. (and components for 4K TVs to other vendors)
They know what they are doing.
Except this is on a 3 year cycle, and they are not doing it alone.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
Whatever hardware I own is nothing more than a means for me to access the games and the infrastructure surrounding them. I have absolutely zero attachment to the hardware itself and will happily upgrade if my experience is improved.
I can't even pretend to be outraged about this.
I can't even pretend to be outraged about this.
I have a launch ps4 and I'd be happy with this.
Beer Monkey
Member
I was wondering when they'd start to dominate so much that they have their next "599 US DOLLARS" moment.
Maybe I'm in a small niche, but this even makes me more wary of buying a PSVR. You know only the PS4K owners will have the best experiences down the road.
I can be pretty happy with PC. Might be time to do a new build.
Maybe I'm in a small niche, but this even makes me more wary of buying a PSVR. You know only the PS4K owners will have the best experiences down the road.
I can be pretty happy with PC. Might be time to do a new build.
Nicer looking and more complex VR games.
Moosehole
Member
Sony just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about console culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like Gamefaqs where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over on console upgrades, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is GAF users, after reading this thread, are not going to want to to buy any of Sony's consoles again, nor will they anticipate any remasters. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire culture with this move.
Sony, publicly apologize and cancel all plans for the PS4K or you can kiss your success goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about console culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like Gamefaqs where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over on console upgrades, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is GAF users, after reading this thread, are not going to want to to buy any of Sony's consoles again, nor will they anticipate any remasters. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire culture with this move.
Sony, publicly apologize and cancel all plans for the PS4K or you can kiss your success goodbye.
Sweet, sounds significant enough to purchase so if if plays out, I'll do just that.
That's the point, they want a reason for people to buy 4k TVs.
That's the point, they want a reason for people to buy 4k TVs.
You miss the 3.50 beta patch notes?
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Mid-generation half measures, ugh.
The standard cycle would only been 2 more years after release anyway, or is the PS5 being delayed?
This feels something Sony Corp would push for than SCE.
The standard cycle would only been 2 more years after release anyway, or is the PS5 being delayed?
This feels something Sony Corp would push for than SCE.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Polaris would be better plus improved architecture advantages of a next gen GPU but this seem feasible.
joecanada
Member
the fact that bf4 was only 900p was the only proof I needed that devs already were trying their best as well as that levolution crap that never worked properly. I don't want to wait around for 1080 / 60 just do it already. give me 1080 / 60 now. I'm buying a GTX 970 first though. then see next year if ps4k can outdo it.
Bloodborne: Scholar of the first Kin
FiveMinuteHero
Member
Considering now that PS4 runs on x86 they can just drop the number, and keep releasing a new PlayStation every two years forever.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I hear you but surely the likes of Sony and MS should of done a better job with the launch systems in terms of capability? For me these systems were a bit rushed and considering the decade long previous gen, they perhaps had time to prepare better?
So thanks to this generation working out for them in the profit departement, they can have an easier decision for a higher end update to their hardware instead of continuous price-reductions to make the console profitable.
FalsettoVibe
Member
If true, will buy.
You must be ignoring the PC Space where a 290X can easily run modern AAA games at 4K around 30 FPS. IF this is truly a 2X leap over PS4 with sacrifices and developer focused hardware coding- it can do 4K 30 FPS wit hease .
A very reasonable post and I agree with everything!
I expect the difference between the games on PS4 and PS4K to essentially be what multiplats are now on PS4 and most PCs.
Either one is almost certain to happen, i think.
I know the mere possibility is enough for me to dislike this... i am happy i didn't jump into this gen of consoles.
Lilalaunebaer
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I hope you don´t think i KNOW something lol . Just makes sense