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"Alison 'Ali' Rapp discusses a Nintendo game with a child interviewer (not pictured) "

Holy fuck, they are absolutely trying to spin this as if she's a pedophile lol

It is totally reprehensible, but this is a shit UK tabloid we're talking about. I wonder if the Daily Mail and Daily Star will jump on it too?

That being said, some people in here are totally trying to spin it that she was fire purely because of GG's, so it's just a big mess all round :/
 
I'm working my way through this thread now, but this is has been picked up by a tabloid here in the UK this morning:

Nintendo FIRES feminist Alison Rapp following furious paedophile porn censorship storm.

It's extremely reductive, as you can imagine, and heavily cites her thesis as the reason (even though they admit she isn't ashamed of it and posts it on her Linkedin etc)

Sorry if this has been posted.

The irony of this is that this is exactly the opposite of what Nintendo would have wanted to be associated with.
 
FFS Nintendo, she is the kind of people you want to have MORE of if you want to expand and not keep shrinking.

I'm pretty sure if it wasn't for lamergate there wouldn't have been any of this discussion around her. She would just be a normal Nintendo employee. Unless, of course, it would be found that she has other occupations not fit for a puritan sexist society, because then she's screwed either way, women can't do that.

vulnerability to depression and other mental issues, as is commonplace among the social justice set

Really? Are you implying the "social justice set" usually has mental issues? Or are you hopefully implying that the people harassed by lamergate have mental issues because of the fact that they're harassed?
 
Well this has hit mainstream media in Australia.:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/h...n/news-story/af3a36b7386721666cfbadd29adf490f

Doesn't mention the moonlighting scenario though.

Nintendo made the decision to sack mid-level marketing specialist and outspoken feminist Alison Rapp after continued pressure from #GamerGate supporters — an online harassment campaign with the purpose of discrediting the reputation of its targets.

Yep, seems about right. Why even bother to rationalise it anymore? They're attacking people because they can.
 
Because GG is actually hardcore pro-pedophilia and it's very apparent that Nintendo was influenced to some extent by the harassment Rapp had been receiving (but that Nintendo hadn't been working to curb at all).

What? Hardcore-pro-pedophilia? They are a predominantly right wing conservative movement who use pedophilia-related stuff for smear campaigns all the time. The few things I read outside of NeoGAF about them were actually them complaining about administration / moderation being too lax on pedophilia. I have never seen any endorsement of pedophilia from them. What do you mean here?
 
"Alison 'Ali' Rapp discusses a Nintendo game with a child interviewer (not pictured) "

Holy fuck, they are absolutely trying to spin this as if she's a pedophile lol

Yooo I have that same caption on my clipboard right now what a terrible mess of an "article". The whole thing is a disaster.

learn to read better... said:
Her thesis jumps between discussing child pornography featuring "real children" and fictionalised depictions of sickening acts, meaning it often appears unclear what she is actually discussing.

whaaaaaaat is this relevant for said:
The self-professed feminist, who is heavily tattooed and wears a ring through her nose
 
It is totally reprehensible, but this is a shit UK tabloid we're talking about. I wonder if the Daily Mail and Daily Star will jump on it too?

That being said, some people in here are totally trying to spin it that she was fire purely because of GG's, so it's just a big mess all round :/

She was demoted from a senior position where she oversaw products marketing to being a normal cog in the machine. In the Corporate world that is the don't let the door hit you in the ass strategy when firing someone would create a big stir. GG succeeded in getting her on the Shitlist. They kept going so they could get that final push in.
 
FFS Nintendo, she is the kind of people you want to have MORE of if you want to expand and not keep shrinking.

I'm pretty sure if it wasn't for lamergate there wouldn't have been any of this discussion around her. She would just be a normal Nintendo employee. Unless, of course, it would be found that she has other occupations not fit for a puritan sexist society, because then she's screwed either way, women can't do that.



Really? Are you implying the "social justice set" usually has mental issues? Or are you hopefully implying that the people harassed by lamergate have mental issues because of the fact that they're harassed?

No, if you actually knew or followed Alison, she actually deals with this on a normal basis or so. The amount of hyperbole and finger pointing in here is astounding.
 
It really sucks that she got fired. I really liked her, but she technically did break company policy it seems. Saying she'd still have her job if no one attracted attention to her twitter is like saying cheating on a test isn't cheating if you don't get caught. That's just how I see it.
Nintendo said no more weird stuff pls we have kids watching, and she didn't exactly listen soooooooo yeah.... :/. I really do feel bad taking Nintendo's side on this, but this is kinda a standard thing for any company really.

Also what is the GG that she's taking about in her tweets?
 
What? Hardcore-pro-pedophilia? They are a predominantly right wing conservative movement who use pedophilia-related stuff for smear campaigns all the time. The few things I read outside of NeoGAF about them were actually them complaining about administration / moderation being too lax on pedophilia. I have never seen any endorsement of pedophilia from them. What do you mean here?

One of the sites they used / still use(?) is 8chan, which definitely has distributed child porn. Bunches of them have done "sexy" "fanart" of their mascot girl in decidedly child-like depiction. And of course KiA frequently gets in a huff over things like "CENSORSHIP" when sexy costumes for young characters are changed during development or localization. Most of their haunts have a pretty sordid history.
 
So, the angry assholes of Gamergate pushed another woman out of the industry.
I can't say I'm too surprised by Nintendo's reaction, as it reflects the industry's position and ambivalence at large, but it's still disheartening to see that they were effectively the ones to light the fire at the end of that witch hunt.

Regardless of how justified you think Nintendo was in this termination, you should remember they've just empowered a hate group and signaled them they should keep doing what they do, because it works.
 
What? Hardcore-pro-pedophilia? They are a predominantly right wing conservative movement who use pedophilia-related stuff for smear campaigns all the time. The few things I read outside of NeoGAF about them were actually them complaining about administration / moderation being too lax on pedophilia. I have never seen any endorsement of pedophilia from them. What do you mean here?

Their "headquarters" is in a site that is notorious for having borderline child pornography. Hell, they defended it back when someone exposed it during the near end of 2014 by attacking him and saying he was the real pedophile for looking at it. I think they even swated him too.
 
What? Hardcore-pro-pedophilia? They are a predominantly right wing conservative movement who use pedophilia-related stuff for smear campaigns all the time. The few things I read outside of NeoGAF about them were actually them complaining about administration / moderation being too lax on pedophilia. I have never seen any endorsement of pedophilia from them. What do you mean here?

There was a rather significant (relatively) incident wherein the main GG hangout 8chan hosted a board where people posted pictures of children that they ejaculated on. I even recall that there was some discussion by a handful of people talking about actual children (not interacting with them, but speaking of specific children that they pleasure themselves to). For a while GG was intent on defending the board and the people, and even responded to Dan Olsen screencapping (blurred) pictures as evidence of this by reporting him to the FBI for possession of child porn.

They are certainly right-wing, but they don't have any scruples. They defend and offend anything, so long as it's convenient. Tying back to this, they decided that Rapp, who didn't even disagree about Fates or Xenoblade, was their enemy for this specific cause of "bad localization."

Yooo I have that same caption on my clipboard right now what a terrible mess of an "article". The whole thing is a disaster.

I feel a little silly getting offended by tabloid smut, but damn.
 
damn thats the title.. wtf

"Alison 'Ali' Rapp discusses a Nintendo game with a child interviewer (not pictured) "

Holy fuck, they are absolutely trying to spin this as if she's a pedophile lol

Well that's a horrible tabloid title and a extremely specific manner of detailing the events. This is going to be a fun ride.

The irony of this is that this is exactly the opposite of what Nintendo would have wanted to be associated with.

Yeah The Mirror isn't exactly high brow...

It'll be interesting to see if some of the more nuanced places pick this up - both The Guardian and The Independent cover games pretty well over here.
 
She was demoted from a senior position where she oversaw products marketing to being a normal cog in the machine. In the Corporate world that is the don't let the door hit you in the ass strategy when firing someone would create a big stir. GG succeeded in getting her on the Shitlist. They kept going so they could get that final push in.

A lateral move is a demotion now?
 
"who is heavily tattooed and wears a ring through her nose"

Real good neutral jurnlizm right there.


No, if you actually knew or followed Alison, she actually deals with this on a normal basis or so. The amount of hyperbole and finger pointing in here is astounding.

I do follow her, like many other industry people, and I know exactly why she has to deal with this kind of stuff :)
 
In her tweets she puts "lateral move" in scarequotes and says it meant she "wouldn't lead games anymore". Seems she's implying that "lateral move" was a euphemism.

Just because she feels it is not a lateral move, does not mean on paper it isn't one.
 
Really? Are you implying the "social justice set" usually has mental issues? Or are you hopefully implying that the people harassed by lamergate have mental issues because of the fact that they're harassed?

To clarify—because it's really important that isn't misread as a prejudicial slight—in my experience, this is something that people vocally involved in progressive activism readily admit (Alison Rapp included). Possibly it throws an outside observer's sense of proportion into disarray when it comes to assessing whether this occurs in unusual numbers, but it's often a strong motivating factor behind the importance this political demographic places on things like PTSD triggers and openness about disability in the face of widespread stigma. People with anxiety issues, for instance, can tend to be (a) dependent on online networks for mutual support, and (b) especially vulnerable to anonymous mobs (who claim to be merely criticizing their arguments) intruding into social spaces they assumed were safe.

I didn't invent this claim; I'm merely paraphrasing what a lot of them claim about their own backgrounds and motives.
 
So, the angry assholes of Gamergate pushed another woman out of the industry.
I can't say I'm too surprised by Nintendo's reaction, as it reflects the industry's position and ambivalence at large, but it's still disheartening to see that they were effectively the ones to light the fire at the end of that witch hunt.

Regardless of how justified you think Nintendo was in this termination, you should remember they've just empowered a hate group and signaled them they should keep doing what they do, because it works.

She pushed herself out of the industry. The public just brought it to attention. She put out stuff in the open that shouldn't be in the open if you're a representative for a childrens toys and video games company largerly marketed to children.

If it was a man who did the same stuff she did, saying possessing child pornography isn't harmful, saying sex trafficking isn't harmful, nude posing with company hardware nobody would think it wasn't ok.

I'm all for equality, but that also means in judgement, punishment and freedom of speech and sexuality.

This woman, like she said herself, is not deemed appropriate as a spokesperson/PR-employer for Nintendo, a company largely making software for children.

I'm not OK with the public harassing and targeting someone without cause or reason yet in this case people like Rapp, woman or man, shouldn't just not have a job in a company like Nintendo.
 
She pushed herself out of the industry. The public just brought it to attention. She put out stuff in the open that shouldn't be in the open if you're a representative for a childrens toys and video games company largerly marketed to children.

If it was a man who did the same stuff she did, saying possessing child pornography isn't harmful, saying sex trafficking isn't harmful, nude posing with company hardware nobody would think it wasn't ok.

I'm all for equality, but that also means in judgement, punishment and freedom of speech and sexuality.

This woman, like she said herself, is not deemed appropriate as a spokesperson/PR-employer for Nintendo, a company largely making software for children.

I'm not OK with the public harassing and targeting someone without cause or reason yet in this case people like Rapp, woman or man, shouldn't just not have a job in a company like Nintendo.

When did Rapp claim that sex trafficking wasn't harmful? I think you're probably misinterpreting her, are you sure that she didn't say that sex work wasn't inherently harmful?
 
To clarify—because it's really important that isn't misread as a prejudicial slight—in my experience, this is something that people vocally involved in progressive activism readily admit (Alison Rapp included). Possibly it throws an outside observer's sense of proportion into disarray when it comes to assessing whether this occurs in unusual numbers, but it's often a strong motivating factor behind the importance this political demographic places on things like PTSD triggers and openness about disability in the face of widespread stigma. People with anxiety issues, for instance, can tend to be (a) dependent on online networks for mutual support, and (b) especially vulnerable to anonymous mobs (who claim to be merely criticizing their arguments) intruding into social spaces they assumed were safe.

I didn't invent this claim; I'm merely paraphrasing what a lot of them claim about their own backgrounds and motives.

Okay, I get you. However I still do believe there's also a correlation with the fact that they're bullied and harassed (not just on the internet, but at school 15-20 years ago, for example).
 
I'm trying to shake the feeling that at least some of Japan's strict PR and social pressure is pushed into other branches around the world. Nintendo of America just seem to bring up strange "No, that's rude! Not allowed!" shenanigans behind the scenes.

I think it's mostly to avoid having a feud between the two branches like what happened with Sega in the 90s.
 
I'm trying to shake the feeling that at least some of Japan's strict PR and social pressure is pushed into other branches around the world. Nintendo of America just seem to bring up strange "No, that's rude! Not allowed!" shenanigans behind the scenes.

Its not that strange. Its been a while since I worked any retail but I was always forced to be clean shaved and have no piercings. Hell once I didn't shave for a like 2 days and came into work and was basically forced to shave with a disposable razer in the bathroom or go home for the day. And while I'm sure times have changed since then I can still see how a company could want their pr spokesperson to look a certain way. Maybe I don't pay attention or look for it but people at Nintendo always look pretty cleaned up. Even the treehouse folks who would demo games.
 
Can someone explain to me why is that such a big deal? An employee got fired by a company for whatever reason. Was she particularly popular or did something provoking? From Nin's explanation she was let go due to her second work. How is that worth of 15 pages of the thread?
 
When did Rapp claim that sex trafficking wasn't harmful? I think you're probably misinterpreting her, are you sure that she didn't say that sex work wasn't inherently harmful?

She literally said, don't hate on sex workers.

*edit: app. i can't post pictures so here's the link*:
https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/400/1*XDf8W6jec_-h3mCEWNcZ0g.png

So you could be right about that. I remember it reading it a few weeks ago saying trafficking, but it was workers. I agree with her that we shouldn't hate on it but I must also add that that specific industry isn't really known for it's ethical treatment of ladies.
 
She literally said, don't hate on sex workers.

1*XDf8W6jec_-h3mCEWNcZ0g.png


So you could be right about that. I remember it reading it a few weeks ago saying trafficking, but it was workers. I agree with her that we shouldn't hate on it but I must also add that that specific industry isn't really known for it's ethical treatment of ladies.

But if the industry doesn't treat them right, isn't the appropriate thing to come to the defense of the mistreated workers? The problem isn't the sex workers, it's the unfortunate situation that they are put in (that could be alleviated if sex work was regulated and protected, as currently, these sex workers have no legal recourse if they are assaulted, robbed, or worse).
 
Can someone explain to me why is that such a big deal? An employee got fired by a company for whatever reason. Was she particularly popular?

Pay attention, please. She was the target of a major harassment campaign that wanted her head for the past 3 months because they believe she took their boob sliders and petting minigames. (She never was involved in the localization of those games)
 
I actually don't understand how one can be fired on such grounds. Is American employee protection that bad?
Washington State is an at-will employment which mean that you can fire someone for any or even no reason.
Though it should be noted that anti-discrimination laws still apply, so you can't fire someone for their ethnicity for example.

Yes, American employee protection is that bad.
 
I actually don't understand how one can be fired on such grounds. Is American employee protection that bad?

Germany has strong employee protection, but even here you can be fired if you have a second job behind the company's back. Most second jobs will be tolerated by the employer if you register them, but not telling the emplyer and just working anonymously somehwere else means you are putting your job at risk, even here.
 
Pay attention, please. She was the target of a major harassment campaign that wanted her head for the past 3 months because they believe she took their boob sliders and petting minigames. (She never was involved in the localization of those games)

Well, thanks for explanation. It'd be helpful if it was put in the OP.
 
I'm working my way through this thread now, but this is has been picked up by a tabloid here in the UK this morning:

Nintendo FIRES feminist Alison Rapp following furious paedophile porn censorship storm.

It's extremely reductive, as you can imagine, and heavily cites her thesis as the reason (even though they admit she isn't ashamed of it and posts it on her Linkedin etc)

Sorry if this has been posted.

It's a complete recycling of this article by the same 'writer' last month.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/nintendo-urged-fire-woman-centre-7464276
 
One of the reasons I think it would be irresponsible to speculate on the nature of the second job that got her sacked is that I have a feeling—backed by zero evidence; just a hunch—that if we knew what it was, this decision would look pretty cut and dried. Both Alison and Nintendo seem to wish to keep it quiet, and we should respect that. This is someone who has spoken in the past about vulnerability to depression and other mental issues, as is commonplace among the social justice set, and I just don't think that perpetuating this media frenzy to satiate our own sense of certitude and justice is really in her or anyone's best interests.

On the matter of professionalism and marks like tattoos, something that we should keep in mind here is that Alison Rapp comes from countercultural activist circles where white-collar norms of presentability are seen as a hindrance to class mobility. She's very outspoken in favour of removing stigmas against sex workers, for instance, in concordance with a common (and not unreasonable) line of reasoning from the progressive left that if backgrounds in sex work or stereotypical class markers like piercings/tattoos hinder your employment prospects, that disproportionately keeps people from working-class backgrounds out of upward mobility in the job market. We can argue about that all day, but I don't think I'm misrepresenting the standard argument in her style of politics. To survive in an environment like Nintendo's, for her, was a point of pride.

In her last set of Twitter posts, she draws attention to how her public presence was initially met with resistance from management. But the key to this is that she prevailed. She didn't budge when management asked her to stop talking about rape. She didn't budge when management said they didn't want her to stream. And the fact that she continued to be herself on social media, and that management gave her the latitude to do so, is why she cultivated the profile she did. She was very open about wishing to use her place in the industry to push it towards progressive-left ideals, and that's what endeared her to her admirers and marked her as a target for her enemies.

Management didn't just find out about Alison Rapp's Twitter feed from an onslaught of harassers last week. Trolls have been after her for years, as she knows well from cataloguing their attacks herself. Ignoramuses blamed her for localization choices in which she had no involvement at all because she was literally the only person they could name who fit the bill of "known social justice activist who works for Nintendo and professes an intention to use her job for progressive purposes", fulfilling every lurid fantasy of what it was they were campaigning against. Filing frivolous complaints against her was nothing new and nothing recent. NoA might have shuffled her around or put a ceiling on her prospects of advancement, which is not nice, but the crucial thing is that they—and her—had weathered this sort of thing before. When they first hired her they clearly perceived her as a risk, but reached a working compromise where she didn't have to back down on her activist principles.

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What is new, if we are to believe that the latest wave of harassers dug up the smoking gun, is that they finally found something that stuck.

Let me put it this way. (This is an imperfect analogy, but bear with me.) Suppose the Westboro Baptist Church, a known hate group that everyone knows not to take seriously because their entire reputation is built on picketing funerals with "God Hates Fags", wants to get an employee of yours removed. They stir up negative press, they complain, they bully your support lines, they waste everyone's time. Nobody takes them seriously; nobody in an official capacity even wants to dignify them by name. One day they, or somebody aligned with their beliefs, dig up evidence that your employee is up to something that, according to your corporate standards, is really not okay; not just because it would make for bad PR (like that insipid CP red herring), but because it's actually, concretely unbecoming of someone in your employ.

Do you: (a) take no action because of the atrocious optics of kowtowing to a widely reviled hate group, or (b) treat the evidence independently as a disciplinary/contractual matter?

Alison could very well have crossed a line into what is, by corporate policy, an unambiguously terminable offence—neither you nor I are in a position to know, though both her statements and Nintendo's seem to point to this as the case. And while she and her supporters may resent a corporate culture where whatever she did is terminable, and while all of us may resent the kind of unabated mob hysteria that led to someone informing on her (especially if its adherents are now emboldened to claim another scalp), we should allow for the possibility that the decision was necessary even if the optics were predictably godawful—and you can bet the inevitable backlash would have figured into the cost/benefit balance somehow.

I, for one, appreciate Nintendo's explicit statement against harassment, even if PR will be PR and even if it comes so late. It looks quite bad that they didn't support their employee and stand against harassment promptly. It would have looked even worse if they publicly defended her while a disciplinary process was ongoing, then sacked her anyway the next week.



Fairly put. I'm displeased with the chilling effect that Outraged Internet Detectives of any gang, faction, or political stripe have created to smother individual expression outside of one's employment, and one of the problems with this industry is that its customer base is a demographic that is disproportionately plugged in to the uses and abuses of social media. Most of the combatants in factional online disputes are not very principled about opposing thug tactics, only interested in sniping at their opponents. Frankly, I would find it just as dismaying if people were routinely targeted for expressing opposition to identity-progressive axioms of collective social harms and thrown out of their jobs for perceived allegiance to GG—and I don't doubt there are people who try to make this happen, but with much less traction, organization, and success because the relevant targets are more securely placed and harder to dislodge than the depression-prone twenty-something indie types trying to get their foot in the door to pay off their student loans, which is the core of the progressive demographic that GG types like to move against.

Meanwhile, there is probably a worthwhile discussion to be had on whether it is right and just for a private citizen's highly visible activism (particularly of the sort where outspoken visibility in itself is held to be a virtue) to be treated as a risk factor in a professional context on the same order as, well, tattoos. I'm uncomfortable with the chilling factor, but it must be said that this form of activism necessarily involves drawing attention to oneself as a target, for the express purpose of protesting social norms of sitting down and shutting up. How much of an encumbrance is it if the norm that big, risk-averse corporate outfits ultimately settle on, for their own protection, is to firmly put the boot down on their employees' online presence—the way that NoA specifically didn't with Alison Rapp?

Exceptional commentary and aligns with my general thoughts on the matter.

I do think a discussion surrounding peoples and personalities that might differ from traditional conservative corporate culture that we might see at say, IBM (where you still have to report to work clean shaven and neatly trimmed as a man last I checked), their perceived risk and subsequent hiring/HR aversions. Whether it's reasonable or just to apply such axioms in 2016. As an American minority, I have found that diversity is like having a healthy immune system. The more of it you can support, the healthier and stronger your entity can potentially become. My personal experiences with companies like Microsoft and Apple suggest to me that they agree as they both work quite hard to find and employ a unique and diverse group of talent. I imagine Alison bought a dynamic and a perspective that others did not, hence Nintendo's willingness to hang onto her for so long through her demands and push-backs.

Nintendo lost a piece of what helped shape its identity today. It's not a good day for Alison OR Nintendo. And I'll say it again: it would have been nice if Nintendo was more vocual in their defense of her when the shit was going down.
 
A little OT, but I'm honestly surprised that the subject matter of Alison's thesis - that western pressure to get Japan to ban loli stuff is not addressing the actual problem of child pornography - is something that GG would take issue with. Not that I've spent any length of time trying to understand their "philosophy" or anything, but "quit trying to ban loli" seems like a stance they could get behind...

(forgive me if I'm misunderstanding her thesis, I only quickly browsed over it)

Of course that goes out the window when GG remembers that Alison has a vagina and must be stopped.

But either way, the thesis is completely irrelevant, as she wrote it years before she was even hired by Nintendo.

It's not that it's something they honestly took issue with, it's that it's something that clearly made for good ammunition in taking down an opponent of theirs. Consider how they tried to get Dan Olson arrested for spreading child porn for his expose of the shit that is posted openly on GG's own stronghold 8chan.
 
One of the reasons I think it would be irresponsible to speculate on the nature of the second job that got her sacked is that I have a feeling—backed by zero evidence; just a hunch—that if we knew what it was, this decision would look pretty cut and dried. Both Alison and Nintendo seem to wish to keep it quiet, and we should respect that. This is someone who has spoken in the past about vulnerability to depression and other mental issues, as is commonplace among the social justice set, and I just don't think that perpetuating this media frenzy to satiate our own sense of certitude and justice is really in her or anyone's best interests.

On the matter of professionalism and marks like tattoos, something that we should keep in mind here is that Alison Rapp comes from countercultural activist circles where white-collar norms of presentability are seen as a hindrance to class mobility. She's very outspoken in favour of removing stigmas against sex workers, for instance, in concordance with a common (and not unreasonable) line of reasoning from the progressive left that if backgrounds in sex work or stereotypical class markers like piercings/tattoos hinder your employment prospects, that disproportionately keeps people from working-class backgrounds out of upward mobility in the job market. We can argue about that all day, but I don't think I'm misrepresenting the standard argument in her style of politics. To survive in an environment like Nintendo's, for her, was a point of pride.

In her last set of Twitter posts, she draws attention to how her public presence was initially met with resistance from management. But the key to this is that she prevailed. She didn't budge when management asked her to stop talking about rape. She didn't budge when management said they didn't want her to stream. And the fact that she continued to be herself on social media, and that management gave her the latitude to do so, is why she cultivated the profile she did. She was very open about wishing to use her place in the industry to push it towards progressive-left ideals, and that's what endeared her to her admirers and marked her as a target for her enemies.

Management didn't just find out about Alison Rapp's Twitter feed from an onslaught of harassers last week. Trolls have been after her for years, as she knows well from cataloguing their attacks herself. Ignoramuses blamed her for localization choices in which she had no involvement at all because she was literally the only person they could name who fit the bill of "known social justice activist who works for Nintendo and professes an intention to use her job for progressive purposes", fulfilling every lurid fantasy of what it was they were campaigning against. Filing frivolous complaints against her was nothing new and nothing recent. NoA might have shuffled her around or put a ceiling on her prospects of advancement, which is not nice, but the crucial thing is that they—and her—had weathered this sort of thing before. When they first hired her they clearly perceived her as a risk, but reached a working compromise where she didn't have to back down on her activist principles.

*

What is new, if we are to believe that the latest wave of harassers dug up the smoking gun, is that they finally found something that stuck.

Let me put it this way. (This is an imperfect analogy, but bear with me.) Suppose the Westboro Baptist Church, a known hate group that everyone knows not to take seriously because their entire reputation is built on picketing funerals with "God Hates Fags", wants to get an employee of yours removed. They stir up negative press, they complain, they bully your support lines, they waste everyone's time. Nobody takes them seriously; nobody in an official capacity even wants to dignify them by name. One day they, or somebody aligned with their beliefs, dig up evidence that your employee is up to something that, according to your corporate standards, is really not okay; not just because it would make for bad PR (like that insipid CP red herring), but because it's actually, concretely unbecoming of someone in your employ.

Do you: (a) take no action because of the atrocious optics of kowtowing to a widely reviled hate group, or (b) treat the evidence independently as a disciplinary/contractual matter?

Alison could very well have crossed a line into what is, by corporate policy, an unambiguously terminable offence—neither you nor I are in a position to know, though both her statements and Nintendo's seem to point to this as the case. And while she and her supporters may resent a corporate culture where whatever she did is terminable, and while all of us may resent the kind of unabated mob hysteria that led to someone informing on her (especially if its adherents are now emboldened to claim another scalp), we should allow for the possibility that the decision was necessary even if the optics were predictably godawful—and you can bet the inevitable backlash would have figured into the cost/benefit balance somehow.

I, for one, appreciate Nintendo's explicit statement against harassment, even if PR will be PR and even if it comes so late. It looks quite bad that they didn't support their employee and stand against harassment promptly. It would have looked even worse if they publicly defended her while a disciplinary process was ongoing, then sacked her anyway the next week.



Fairly put. I'm displeased with the chilling effect that Outraged Internet Detectives of any gang, faction, or political stripe have created to smother individual expression outside of one's employment, and one of the problems with this industry is that its customer base is a demographic that is disproportionately plugged in to the uses and abuses of social media. Most of the combatants in factional online disputes are not very principled about opposing thug tactics, only interested in sniping at their opponents. Frankly, I would find it just as dismaying if people were routinely targeted for expressing opposition to identity-progressive axioms of collective social harms and thrown out of their jobs for perceived allegiance to GG—and I don't doubt there are people who try to make this happen, but with much less traction, organization, and success because the relevant targets are more securely placed and harder to dislodge than the depression-prone twenty-something indie types trying to get their foot in the door to pay off their student loans, which is the core of the progressive demographic that GG types like to move against.

Meanwhile, there is probably a worthwhile discussion to be had on whether it is right and just for a private citizen's highly visible activism (particularly of the sort where outspoken visibility in itself is held to be a virtue) to be treated as a risk factor in a professional context on the same order as, well, tattoos. I'm uncomfortable with the chilling factor, but it must be said that this form of activism necessarily involves drawing attention to oneself as a target, for the express purpose of protesting social norms of sitting down and shutting up. How much of an encumbrance is it if the norm that big, risk-averse corporate outfits ultimately settle on, for their own protection, is to firmly put the boot down on their employees' online presence—the way that NoA specifically didn't with Alison Rapp?

Just wanted to say this is a great post.
 
What? Hardcore-pro-pedophilia? They are a predominantly right wing conservative movement who use pedophilia-related stuff for smear campaigns all the time. The few things I read outside of NeoGAF about them were actually them complaining about administration / moderation being too lax on pedophilia. I have never seen any endorsement of pedophilia from them. What do you mean here?

The supposed "headquarters" of GG is 8chan. Some of the more popular boards on that website are dedicated to straight up pedophilia. It's pretty damn hypocritical for GG to attack other people using pedophilia as a negative when also using a site that supports it.
 
Basically Nintendo fired her on a technicality (that is still subject to interpretation seeing as the corporate values are brought into discussion rather than clear internal regulation) to get rid of the heat put on them by a hate group.

With all this being started by the localization decisions made by Nintendo and that Nintendo doesn't bother to assume, communicate and explain (btw, nice corporate culture here). So haters target a Nintendo employee and blame her for everything while Nintendo doesn't even bother to defend her in any way. Not even by stating something simple and straight like "Alison Rapp doesn't have any role in the game localizations at Nintendo". Not even talking about a support message against harassment of a human being.

Legally Nintendo might be covered, but morally they are totally in the blame.
 
On the contrary, they both point explicitly away from this. A company with a policy that allows moonlighting deciding that the specifics of an employee's side job are not reflective of the company values is very much the epitome of a discretionary offense, both in judging that it occurred and in judging the correct response. Termination might well be a justifiable response, but that's still a far cry from something being an "unambiguously terminable offense."
Agreed. The whole thing about "not reflecting our corporate values" reeks of discretionary decision-making, really. Otherwise I think Quixotic made a good post but I can't agree that it's "unambiguous", especially since, well, we just don't know anyway (and it's none of our business).
 
Basically Nintendo fired her on a technicality (that is still subject to interpretation seeing as the corporate values are brought into discussion rather than clear internal regulation) to get rid of the heat put on them by a hate group.

With all this being started by the localization decisions made by Nintendo and that Nintendo doesn't bother to assume, communicate and explain (btw, nice corporate culture here). So haters target a Nintendo employee and blame her for everything while Nintendo doesn't even bother to defend her in any way. Not even by stating something simple and straight like "Alison Rapp doesn't have any role in the game localizations at Nintendo". Not even talking about a support message against harassment of a human being.

Legally Nintendo might be covered, but morally they are totally in the blame.

Let's be realistic here, Nintendo, has for the most part, never really explained any of their decisions and what they do unless they were really forced to. Be it localization decisions, or harassment of an employee really. They remain silent, that's quite frankly it. It's quite honestly the company line and status quo for them regardless of the controversy.
 
Let's be realistic here, Nintendo, has for the most part, never really explained any of their decisions and what they do unless they were really forced to. Be it localization decisions, or harassment of an employee really. They remain silent, that's quite frankly it. It's quite honestly the company line and status quo for them regardless of the controversy.

I know that they have this approach. And this approach backfires from time to time. So maybe they should assume some responsibility for their actions at some point?

Edit: We know that localization changes will be happen again in the future so what's next? They will just sit there and wait for another employee to be blamed for that and finally fire that employee to keep away from the scandal?
 
I know that they have this approach. And this approach backfires from time to time. So maybe they should assume some responsibility for their actions at some point?

They made a simple statement with the recent release, that's really all they can do considering their stance and approach on matters.

Nintendo is a company committed to fostering inclusion and diversity in both our company and the broader video game industry and we firmly reject the harassment of individuals based on gender, race or personal beliefs

Edit: We know that localization changes will be happen again in the future so what's next? They will just sit there and wait for another employee to be blamed for that and finally fire that employee to keep away from the scandal?

I'm going to say what I tell everyone I work with in that regard as someone that works in the HR field: As long as youre doing your job and if you haven't done anything bad or broken company policy, then you have nothing to worry about in terms of your employment.
 
After this entire event, there's no doubt that Gamergate feels they won and there is some validity to their actions. When Tokyo Mirage Sessions comes out and if even one thing is "censored" that they don't like, I can guarantee you that they're going to start another harassment campaign on another Nintendo employee, likely a woman, and try to get her fired over something unrelated to her job.

They made a simple statement with the recent release, that's really all they have to do.

Oh please, that's just generic PR speak. That's the same thing almost every other major publisher says in the eye of all this madness to cover their asses. The truth is the gaming industry cultivated this filth for years, they should take responsibility for it by acknowledging the issue and combating it, instead of worrying about losing some profit. Ignoring the issue is not going to make it go away, and this hand waving garbage doesn't affect them, it even sometimes motivates them because they actually think they are being defended by the companies. Look at Nintendo's PR message there, the line "...or personal beliefs" is enough for them to think Nintendo is on their side. Yes, they are this delusional. Furthermore, Nintendo was silent about all this for the past few months while this was happening. If they truly believe their generic PR speak, then they would have done something about it sooner, instead they did nothing, and even punished her for all this.
 
Yeah, if Nintendo obtained a verifiable information about something that the lady has done that conflicted with how they see themselves as a company and how they run things, and they view it as severe enough to the point where the response is termination, shouldn't they be allowed to act upon it even if the information came from deplorable folks like GamerGate?

Perhaps even more important was the fact that Rapp was a PR, the front-line face representing the company, and not a back-office worker or something.

In a nutshell: you don't want to encourage the police to break the law at any cost. Even it produces evidence.
Nintendo did the opposite: they encouraged them to go even further with doxing.

This is a good point, though, hmm.
 
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