Dark Souls III - PC Performance article

sfried

Member
Hmm, ran through the thread posts and ran across this:
It's funny how wide the PS4 "equivilent" GPU for the PC is. You are right though about the 7850. The common GPUs refrenced when comparing to the PS4.

750TI(1305GFLOPS) << 7850(1761GFLOPS) < PS4(1840GFLOPS) <<< 7870(2560GFLOPS)
So...am I safe? I have a XFX 7870 Core Edition, alas it has 2GB of RAM. Likewise, I just need to assemble my new rig which has an R9 Nano in it and a i7-6700k, so it shouldn't be a problem should I decide to wait a bit...
 

Easy_D

never left the stone age
I have an FX6300 3.5GHz, 8GB RAM and a R9 270 2GB. I hope these will be good enough for running the game on High at 30fps.

Every game I've played so far on my FX6300 has performed better than the console versions, so I wouldn't be worried about reaching 30 FPS at all and going by the above, your 270 should be decently more powerful than the PS4 GPU, since the 270 is essentially a rebranded 7870

I personally just hope the 6300 is enough for 60, even if I have to lower some settings, shouldn't have too much issue with my 280X
 
A lot of people claimed that Bloodborne was the "best looking" too, and I'd say that it was actually worse looking as a whole than even Demon's Souls or the first Dark Souls. Graphically there was no contest (different hardware too though), but it lacked variety and the color palette was extremely boring after a while.

There's more to art than simple resolution and the number of polygons or clutter. Even that's not so bad if the textures actually have a worn look. But just like Bloodborne, most of the screenshots (and from what many who have actually played have said) that I've seen make the game look like it's full of objects that were constructed from a wax casting, and look brand new, despite supposedly being ancient. Plus, much of the architecture in entire areas are colored exactly the same. To me that makes it look even more fake than objects that have less polygons with textures at half the resolution, but that have more texture variety.

Currently replaying Dark Souls 2, and yeah, overall the level designs and aesthetics are pretty boring all around. There are some areas however (like Heide's) that just have an amazing contrast with colors and texture variety. Bloodborne had nothing comparable in that regard. It just had lots of shiny blue bricks, lots of spires and fog.

I'd argue that this is both good and bad. From a players standpoint it can get boring and very samey after a while but it's also a testament to how consistently thematic the world design is. It reinforces the story and the world you inhabit but I can definitely see how it gets boring to look at after a while. I just have a soft spot for Victorian shit :p

I'd still argue that Bloodborne has a better atmosphere overall though. It feels like one solid world where something oppressive is happening and getting stronger as you progress. Same reason I love Dark Souls 1 so much is because it feels like one solid world and not just a collection of pocket worlds/areas. To each their own I guess, I can see the ups and downs of it.
 
How's this with a GTX670?

I was gonna buy it on PS4 but I saw this...

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I preordered from Games Planet.. Any idea when they'll be handing out keys?
Probably the eve of?


Also, still haven't seen it addressed here but a couple have asked.
How would this hold up on a 960m? Hoping for 1080 30fps on high, but I really haven't a clue.
 

Jedi2016

Member
I just want to know if my gtx780 dcu2 OC paired with my i5-3570k @4.2 with 8gb Ram will be enough for 60fps at 1080p
Why?

I mean, all of you... why are you asking? Are you really considering which version to buy, or are you just trying to get a "sneak peek" out of someone else's work on how your rig may or may not play the game?

Pretty sure most of the people in this thread are buying the PC version day one, if it's not already pre-ordered, so what difference does it make now how well your system will run it?
 
Why?

I mean, all of you... why are you asking? Are you really considering which version to buy, or are you just trying to get a "sneak peek" out of someone else's work on how your rig may or may not play the game?

Pretty sure most of the people in this thread are buying the PC version day one, if it's not already pre-ordered, so what difference does it make now how well your system will run it?

I already pre-purchased but I think last I checked, the recommended specs mentioned a 750ti (I might be wrong) and now I see a 970.

Its a legitimate question
 

Jedi2016

Member
Minimum requirements according to Steam is a GTX-465. By all accounts, the game can run on a pocket watch. My card's older than yours, and I'm playing at 1440p and I still expect better performance than the consoles. Requirements aside, I'm getting the game for PC no matter what.

My point stands, though.. would it really change anything, even if the requirements did go up?
 
Minimum requirements according to Steam is a GTX-465. By all accounts, the game can run on a pocket watch. My card's older than yours, and I'm playing at 1440p and I still expect better performance than the consoles. Requirements aside, I'm getting the game for PC no matter what.

My point stands, though.. would it really change anything, even if the requirements did go up?

You honestly do not question the practice of changing the system requirements 2 weeks away from release especially when a lot of people probably have pre-ordered it for this specific platform based on their system's capabilities?

I mean I know my card will be good enough to be able to play it, but how well?

If you look on the GeForce website, the requirements have changed.
 

Jedi2016

Member
You honestly do not question the practice of changing the system requirements 2 weeks away from release especially when a lot of people probably have pre-ordered it for this specific platform based on their system's capabilities?
Nope. Because I was buying it regardless. I don't care what it says on paper... my system has always had better luck playing modern games than it generally has any right to, and I was never worried that DS3 wouldn't perform well.

My question was basically whether there's anyone here who's actually worried so much about the requirements and the performance that they're basing their purchase decision between PC or consoles entirely based on Durante's opinion of how well he thinks it'll run. That's the question I asked.

Because if there are such people, I would ask why they've chosen this game to get into PC gaming with, since they're obviously not PC gamers. Any system that can play any games released in the last five years or so should have no problems with this game. As this thread has clearly demonstrated time and time again, as have all of the YouTube and Twitch videos of the PC version, that are all performing spectacularly on a surprisingly wide range of hardware.

If you have a PC that can play games, period, then it's the obvious choice for this title. End of discussion.
 

robin2

Member
will i be fine with i5 2500 + gtx 950 (display 1920*1200)?

(of course i don't care about 60fps, i'm fine as long as it runs at solid 30).
 

Gbraga

Member
The current plan is for early next week (note that this is not written in stone).

Something would have to go catastrophically wrong for it not to be up well before release.

Do you have tests for all of the different areas? I've read reports that the final areas offer ~30s performance on a 970, while the overlay says the GPU use is at 30~40%, but that goes against your claims that you were always GPU limited.
 

Durante

Member
Do you have tests for all of the different areas? I've read reports that the final areas offer ~30s performance on a 970, while the overlay says the GPU use is at 30~40%, but that goes against your claims that you were always GPU limited.
My measurements are all based on multiple areas, but not the final parts of the game.

I am always GPU limited by far but this is at 1440p with a very fast CPU.
 

Durante

Member
Durante, is there some kind of embargo on benchmarks?
Not that I'm aware of.

The only restrictions I know of are against presenting media (videos and screenshots) of any of the later areas of the game. (Which I think are extremely reasonable for a game like this)
 

Gbraga

Member
Not that I'm aware of.

The only restrictions I know of are against presenting media (videos and screenshots) of any of the later areas of the game. (Which I think are extremely reasonable for a game like this)

As a magic user, are you happy with what they did with magic in this game, or do you think it's a step back compared to Dark II?

This is off-topic, I assume, but I always find it interesting to read your opinions on this, since I don't really play as casters in these games.
 

Durante

Member
It's far too early to say for sure, so please don't see this as any kind of final judgement, but in terms of those early impressions it seems closer to DS1-tier than DS2-tier in terms of magic utility and variety. I'm also not sure I prefer the MP-based system to the Vancian system of the earlier games.

What is very useful and interesting is the ability to (very minor early game mechanics "spoiler")
distribute your estus between HP and MP
.
 
Nope. Because I was buying it regardless. I don't care what it says on paper... my system has always had better luck playing modern games than it generally has any right to, and I was never worried that DS3 wouldn't perform well.

My question was basically whether there's anyone here who's actually worried so much about the requirements and the performance that they're basing their purchase decision between PC or consoles entirely based on Durante's opinion of how well he thinks it'll run. That's the question I asked.

Because if there are such people, I would ask why they've chosen this game to get into PC gaming with, since they're obviously not PC gamers. Any system that can play any games released in the last five years or so should have no problems with this game. As this thread has clearly demonstrated time and time again, as have all of the YouTube and Twitch videos of the PC version, that are all performing spectacularly on a surprisingly wide range of hardware.

If you have a PC that can play games, period, then it's the obvious choice for this title. End of discussion.

Why are you getting so worked up over this?
 

Jedi2016

Member
Because there's dozens of people in this thread who only pop in to ask "How will this run on my XXXX?" and I want to know why they keep asking.
 
I wonder how this will run on my 760, 3570k, 8gb. It would be nice to speculate since the ease of gaming on ps4 is more appealing than a computer if it's not much different in quality.

Please don't pitchfork me. PLEASE.
 

Gbraga

Member
It's far too early to say for sure, so please don't see this as any kind of final judgement, but in terms of those early impressions it seems closer to DS1-tier than DS2-tier in terms of magic utility and variety. I'm also not sure I prefer the MP-based system to the Vancian system of the earlier games.

What is very useful and interesting is the ability to (very minor early game mechanics "spoiler")
distribute your estus between HP and MP
.

Weird that they would take a step back in that respect, but the spoiler tagged game mechanic does seem to be a game changer.

Excited to see if it'll be possible to do a Battle Art only run if I put all of my estus to Ashen

I wonder how this will run on my 760, 3570k, 8gb. It would be nice to speculate since the ease of gaming on ps4 is more appealing than a computer if it's not much different in quality.

Please don't pitchfork me. PLEASE.

Easily better than the PS4, judging from all I've read and seen. The thing is that you might have other reasons for playing on consoles, as you've stated, so I can't say for that, but if you want performance above everything, then it's PC.

What a lot of people need to remember is that this is a 30fps game with both several framedrops and framepacing issues (assuming it wasn't fixed) on consoles, so it's not a matter of 30fps vs 60fps. If you can run it at locked 30 on high settings, it's already better.
 
Here's a benchmark with a GTX 950 and a decent CPU:

Interesting, so ultra is perfectly fine 60 fps @900p while at 1080p you have to lower settings to high, maybe overclock and even then it's not stable 60. Could be a bandwidth problem but I still can't explain why even medium 1080p runs worse than ultra 900p. (assuming the benches are correct that is)
 
I wonder how this will run on my 760, 3570k, 8gb. It would be nice to speculate since the ease of gaming on ps4 is more appealing than a computer if it's not much different in quality.

Please don't pitchfork me. PLEASE.

60fps on medium settings at 1080p would be my guess. You might have to turn a few things down to keep it locked, but that's still twice the framerate of the PS4 version and it really helps in a game like Dark Souls.

If the game doesn't run as well as you'd like it to, you can always just refund it using the Steam refund system, provided you spend less than 2 hours with it beforehand.
 

borborygmus

Member
Interesting, so ultra is perfectly fine 60 fps @900p while at 1080p you have to lower settings to high, maybe overclock and even then it's not stable 60. Could be a bandwidth problem but I still can't explain why even medium 1080p runs worse than ultra 900p. (assuming the benches are correct that is)

Fortunately, "Medium" and "High" are presets, so it'll be possible to isolate specific settings that scale poorly with resolution and reduce only those settings. Hopefully Durante's article uncovers what the bottleneck is, which would save me some time messing with the settings (and in my case, with registry settings, so I can downsample on my old GPU if I want to do 30fps*1440p on my 1080p monitor...).
 
Fortunately, "Medium" and "High" are presets, so it'll be possible to isolate specific settings that scale poorly with resolution and reduce only those settings. Hopefully Durante's article uncovers what the bottleneck is, which would save me some time messing with the settings (and in my case, with registry settings, so I can downsample on my old GPU if I want to do 30fps*1440p on my 1080p monitor...).

Yup, looking forward to that article as well. I'm confident there will be some settings with low visual/performance ratio.
 

Ultrabum

Member
I have a G sync 1440p resolution monitor and an older GTX680, I'm wondering if I should buy a new video card for this game. Hmmmmmmm.

I bet I could run it OK at 60 and 1080p, but I would much rather run it at native resolution and 60 fps....
 

Jedi2016

Member
I have a G sync 1440p resolution monitor and an older GTX680, I'm wondering if I should buy a new video card for this game. Hmmmmmmm.

I bet I could run it OK at 60 and 1080p, but I would much rather run it at native resolution and 60 fps....
The G-sync will help when it's below 60. I'm betting on getting around 40-45fps at mid-high settings at 1440p.

I'm getting a Pascal card hopefully later this year. I'm not going to upgrade now just for this game.
 
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