MHWilliams
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Star Wars has Kathleen Kennedy, much like Marvel has Kevin Feige.
You think they'll delay? That's a big off chance.
Zack Synder would be an amazing DP (director of photography). That cannot be denied, even if his films are flawed.
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Zack Synder would be an amazing DP (director of photography). That cannot be denied, even if his films are flawed.
BruceLeeRoy
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Obliterator
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Yep maybe they should just take him down to that. I would just hate to see him entirely gone. I love to "look" at his movies even if I have lots of issues with parts that aren't the way its filmed
Why would Snyder agree to that? That is a massive hit to his career and his ego.
Who exactly is officially shepherding the DCEU anyways? Who is the Feige -- if a parallel can even be made? Is it Snyder? Johns?
HeartlessNobody213
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So it's unlikely to hit $1 billion. Where does everyone think it will end up? $850 million? $900 million at most?
Sibersk Esto
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Isn't going from a director to a second-unit director or DP seen as a downgrade?
BruceLeeRoy
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I don't think he would be surprised
Obliterator
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I mean I could entirely understand if he refused, I'm just saying I would hate to see him off the DCU entirely. He frames scenes amazingly and has a great eye for art direction. It would just be a let down to see him out of the pictures totally considering there are things he's very good at.
BreezyLimbo
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Anything that would put him in a different position would be an ego hit and downgrade for Snyder.
You simply don't tell the person you've chosen to helm this universe to go and do photography. Egos would be bruised, bridges would be burned.
Escape Goat
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Isnt Geoff Johns playing that role?
Nah keep the shows as far away from this mess as possible.
Permanently A
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Holy shit I was thinking about this earlier, but jokingly with my friends. Like "what if Snyder is intentionally tanking the franchise so WB is forced to give him severance pay?"
Didn't this Superman start a war that killed all known heroes on his Earth? Also wasn't this guy okay with allowing everyone on the Earth that wasn't his to die if it meant saving his Lois Lane? He was a deluded asshole.
Discotheque
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Arrow honestly ain't up to par with snyder's movies
Sibersk Esto
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BreezyLimbo
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Some of the best depictions of Superman are when he's a deluded asshole.
I can't imagine they wanted to miss a billion with a film of this caliber. But that ain't happening now.
Obliterator
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I mean surely 1 Billion was the floor of what they wanted, which isn't going to happen
lol. I'd watch a movie based on Kal-L. Finally perfect Superman for Snyder.
I think grossing more than MoS would be good enough for them to keep going.
Obliterator
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With Batman and Superman together for the first time and the set up to the entire DCU? No way they wanted less than 1 Billion. That had to be the minimum expectation for success
BreezyLimbo
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Just give me Red Son superman.
All the dominos are in place, just screw continuity and make the next Superman movie Red Son. If DC wants to be different from Mahvel, they can do that
If this was just another solo Superman feature then I'd agree with you. But it's got the dark knight involved. Grossing less than the last two Batman movies is definitely not what they want. It's the same sort of decline that sent Sony into panic mode with ASM2. And that's not even factoring in how this is supposed to launch an entire cinematic universe.
EDIT: I'm not saying they're going to cancel all their plans. But something's got to be done here.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
So that's what Edward Furlong would've looked like without the drugs...
Hades Hotgun
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Interestingly, in comparison between Infinite Crisis and BvS...
...in that story Batman beat Superman by rhetorically invoking a person with the same name as someone Supes knew. Instead of Marth Wayne and Kent, it was Dick Grayson (earth 1 and 2 varieties).
It was one of the best parts of what was a well built up but poorly executed story.
And somehow there were enough fans that didn't understand basic English and misunderstood the scene, that DC actually changed the scene for the trade. Which was pretty depressing.
No, and I don't think he has the time with all the work he's doing in the comics.
Snyder is the closest thing they have.
Well yeah, that was the point.
The production budget is at 250 million according to boxofficemojo, if that includes marketing then they would still be making a healthy profit.
It doesn't include marketing
Production budget never includes marketing. Also, box office gross is split with theatres so they don't get it all. Domestic is ~55%, some countries its ~25%.
element
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$250m film production budget with another $200m in marketing. They are over $400m invested in this single film.
Returns on box office is roughly 50% of domestic and 30% of international.
Although I enjoy Marvel/Disney(G/PG rated) movies they have a different tone compared to DC/WB(M rated) movies, lets keep it that way.
If Disney bought the DC rights they could probably trade them to Fox for all their Marvel properties....
What better way to get domestic audiences to come around to the franchise than smack a hammer & sickle on Superman's chest.
Wait, how'd they change it? That's really interesting.
WTF :/
Obliterator
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It doesn't include marketing. Word is they need $800 million just to break even. Not counting profit.
That said with its Box Office run, blu ray release, and eventual TV rights BvS will no doubt be profitable. Just not to the level WB were wanting
So they need around 700-750mill world wide to break even?
StopMakingSense
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And its not just enough to turn a profit. Opportunity costs and wether they could have made more with the same amount of money with a different project(s) are a huge consideration when looking at that size of a project as a success or not.
https://twitter.com/GiteshPandya/status/716471968179089408
Source tells me #BatmanvSuperman heading to about $20M SAT, up a third from FRI. Wknd may drop 70% to around $50M.
he works at boxoffice guru
Source tells me #BatmanvSuperman heading to about $20M SAT, up a third from FRI. Wknd may drop 70% to around $50M.
he works at boxoffice guru
Given WB's recent track record, probably not.
WB may not. Their investors would think about putting their money elsewhere.
friskykillface
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800 million to break even, holy shit
Advertising should have been less than a million , just fucking say superman vs batman and I'll go see it, and I did
I've seen cereal, chips, soda, etc , how much was spent on that
It's a struggling movie yeah but Affleck was great as batman , supes was meh , lex sucked and wonder women was good
Meh was worth my $12
Advertising should have been less than a million , just fucking say superman vs batman and I'll go see it, and I did
I've seen cereal, chips, soda, etc , how much was spent on that
It's a struggling movie yeah but Affleck was great as batman , supes was meh , lex sucked and wonder women was good
Meh was worth my $12
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