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[SimleuqiR]

But what happens when it surpasses #BvS' box office?

At that point the JL movie should be done in Lego style.

 

[Sephzilla]

Batman and Robin is at least tonally consistent throughout. It know's its a campy cheese-fest and runs with it. Batman Forever struggles between being campy and also trying to be another Burton movie, so it struggles to find it's footing.

Also Forever has shittier villains, straight up. Tommy Lee Jones doesn't play Two-Face, he plays a poor man's Jack Nicholson Joker. Jim Carrey is simply playing Ace Ventura in green underoos.

 

[Jeffolation]

The next Batman movie could be a mash em up with the Sucker Punch and The Spirit universes and it would still end up being better than Forever.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Rth is saying it might pull 22 today. $50m saved?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

There's nothing about Batman Returns that makes it top tier beyond some interesting production design. That movie is nonsense.

I think Batman Returns is one of the best films (and the most purely Burton films, even moreso than his imitation-of-myself later years shit) that Burton's ever made. He just used Batman characters to make it. This pisses off people who like Batman more than they like Burton, and would rather their Batman movie actually reflect that prioritization. Which I completely get. And normally I'd be all for that. But I consider all these movies to be more or less elseworlds tales, and Batman Returns is a fucking crazy/amazing elseworlds movie, that also happens to be like, the best possible mashup of Batman, Edward Scissorhands, and Frankenweenie that I never knew I wanted.

Batman Returns is a beautiful mess of a movie. We got to see Burton go mad with a blank check from WB and full creative control. And this was back when Burton was actually an interesting filmmaker.

Or yeah, this is way more succinct, hah.

 

[jman2050]

batman and robin made me laugh

bvs made me depressed and fall asleep

I didn't fall asleep but the entire ending after the climax really tested my patience. The movie needed to be over and it just wouldn't end.

 

[Father_Brain]

Batman Returns is a beautiful mess of a movie. We got to see Burton go mad with a blank check from WB and full creative control. And this was back when Burton was actually an interesting filmmaker.

It's a terrible Batman movie and a weak action movie.

It is, however, a very good Tim Burton movie.

 

[Kurt Angle]

You know, I haven't thought about that movie in awhile but...

Who would give Batman a credit card? Remember, it's not made out to Bruce Wayne - it's directly addressed to Batman. With a minimum $7M line of credit.

What financial institution would greenlight such a deal? Obviously none of the Wayne corporations could be involved, that'd raise too many red flags. Especially since there's literally no expiration date. Batman could spend $7M of your money, never pay it back, and you'd have no recourse to track him down for payment. If you did, what loan shark is going to take on BATMAN to beat the cash out of him?

goldman sachs

then the tax payer would bail them out when batman wont pay. so you

 

[Disgraced]

batman and robin made me laugh

bvs made me depressed and fall asleep

Y'know, art is supposed to make you feel something, as they say.

At that point the JL movie should be done in Lego style.

But with Snyder directing and the same tone, right?

 

[Jigorath]

It's a terrible Batman movie and a weak action movie.

It is, however, a very good Tim Burton movie.

Neither of Burton's Batman films have anything to do with Batman.

You just gotta accept that to enjoy these films.

 

[MegaSackman]

You are overating laughter.

 

[Sephzilla]

Batman Returns is the most Tim Burton-y blockbuster movie we will ever get. I enjoy it for being the product of Tim Burton at the peak of his power. It also has Devito as Penguin, which was an A+ piece of casting.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Rth is saying it might pull 22 today. $50m saved?

Warner Bros out there sending interns and mail guys to nearby AMCs like "you better buy up whatever isn't sold yet."

 

[Cheerilee]

Batman

Top Tier:
1) The Dark Knight
2) Batman Returns

Good Tier:
3) Batman Begins
4) Batman

Mid Tier
5) The Dark Knight Rises

Junk Food Tier:
6) Batman & Robin

What in the Fuck is This Shit Tier:
7) Batman Forever
8) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Meow.

Oh hey, you forgot to rank the Halle Berry Catwoman movie.

 

[hamchan]

And you are absolutely delusional if you think WB was expecting to make a billion + after that first trailer. People hated the movie over a year before it even came out.

I know this post is from page 2 but man, how can anyone write with a straight face that WB weren't expecting at least a billion minimum for this film.

 

[jman2050]

Batman had Jack Nicholson being Jack Nicholson and Returns had Danny Devito playing an insane person and it was glorious.

The Batman setting was just window dressing.

 

[Nokterian]

batman and robin made me laugh

bvs made me depressed and fall asleep

BvS made me also depressed and not fall asleep more on why am i watching this? Why is this so bad? Why does have everything to be so serious,angry,dark,gritty,realistic and an incoherent mess?

 

[Sephzilla]

Burton's version of Gotham is still by far my favorite version of it though. In the 1989 movie Gotham felt like a complete shithole of a town that was beyond saving - the type of a place that would spawn Batman. Nolan's movies might have surpassed Burton's if he would have actually kept the style he used in Begins

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Also, Elfman's score on Returns is fucking amazing.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXohNU3tWo

man those dr manhattan scenes in watchmen were so good...

 

[broncobuster]

Delusionals up in here. Forever is sooooooo much better than batman and Robin

Superior Bruce/Batman, moody music, a few decent scenes

Batman and Robin is funny for like a minute but that's about it. Shit is insufferably bad. Neither are better than BvS either. Though that's alarmingly closer in quality than it should be.

TDK > Batman Begins > Returns > Rises > Batman > BvS > Forever > And Robin

Agree with this. Seeing the posts about B&R owning its camp. Man, top to bottom Barbara's scenes are boring and it's a significant portion of the runtime. There's a case to be made if you isolate all of Batman, Robin, and Arnold Freeze. Uma Ivy is okay at times and GRRR BANE!! is good for GRRR BANE!!s.

 

[GnawtyDog]

People still saying Gal Gadot was a miscast? What were you watching? Prob the only thing I was happy to be wrong about with the film.

Will agree 200% with Jesse however. Miscast through and through.

Cast someone else as Lex and have someone else direct and write JL.

 

[Discotheque]

Batman and Robin is at least tonally consistent throughout. It know's its a campy cheese-fest and runs with it. Batman Forever struggles between being campy and also trying to be another Burton movie, so it struggles to find it's footing.

Also Forever has shittier villains, straight up. Tommy Lee Jones doesn't play Two-Face, he plays a poor man's Jack Nicholson Joker. Jim Carrey is simply playing Ace Ventura in green underoos.

And I forgot to mention super fine nicole kidman

And those two were so much better than poison trash and freeze. And that movie killed batman for 8 years...

And forever had the seal song. And u2. Man i can keep going

 

[vinnygambini]

Rth is saying it might pull 22 today. $50m saved?

WB pulling a China and buying tickets to inflate their numbers.

 

[Sephzilla]

Begins > TDK > 89 > Returns > Rises > BvS = B&R > Forever

The Adam West movie is just too fucking different to rank

 

[SimleuqiR]

Y'know, art is supposed to make you feel something, as they say.But with Snyder directing and the same tone, right?

Nah...no Snyder. Pay him off. The DCCU in Lego would make a buck for WB. The kiddies and adults would eat it up.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Begins > TDK > 89 > Returns > Rises > BvS = B&R > Forever

The Adam West movie is just too fucking different to rank

The one where the bad guys turned the important people to different colored powders

Yeah it was out there. Still pretty good tho

 

[Sephzilla]

The one where the bad guys turned the important people to different colored powders

Yeah it was out there. Still pretty good tho

The Adam West movie is fun as hell. The "some days you cant get rid of a bomb" scene alone makes the movie for me

 

[Obliterator]

Ok I can get liking Returns if you are looking at it as a Burton movie and not a Batman movie. But I can't do that with a ranking scale. Returns, Batman and Robin, and Forever all the worst in my Batman Power Rankings. Even though BvS was rough it had an awesome Batman in it

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Hell, I haven't done this yet, have I. I think I've had time enough to reflect on it.

Superman

Top Tier
1) Superman: The Movie

Good Tier
2) Superman II (either cut. They're both broken in their own ways)

Mid Tier
3) Man of Steel
4) Superman Returns

Junk Food Tier
5) Superman III

What the Fuck is This Shit Tier
6) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
7) Superman IV: The Quest For Peace

Batman

Top Tier:
1) The Dark Knight
2) Batman Returns

Good Tier:
3) Batman Begins
4) Batman

Mid Tier
5) The Dark Knight Rises

Junk Food Tier:
6) Batman & Robin

What in the Fuck is This Shit Tier:
7) Batman Forever
8) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

 

[Disgraced]

Nah...no Snyder. Pay him off. The DCCU in Lego would make a buck for WB. The kiddies and adults would eat it up.

Spoiler

You're telling me you don't want a Lego playset of a heavily armed SWAT team encountering a terrifying demonic creature while Lex Luthor is shoulder-deep in a pool of blood-like substance?

 

[rrc1594]

Batman Forever did have Kiss From Rose song tho so it gets some points for that.

 

[Sephzilla]

Batman Forever did have Kiss From Rose song tho so it gets some points for that.

Yeah.... well....

Kiss From a Rose isn't a good song

 

[MHWilliams]

Delusionals up in here. Forever is sooooooo much better than batman and Robin

Superior Bruce/Batman, moody music, a few decent scenes

Batman and Robin is funny for like a minute but that's about it. Shit is insufferably bad. Neither are better than BvS either. Though that's alarmingly closer in quality than it should be.

TDK > Batman Begins > Returns > Rises > Batman > BvS > Forever > And Robin

Close enough to the truth.

 

[Merc_]

Yeah.... well....

Kiss From a Rose isn't a good song

how dare you

you'll make seal cry you monster

 

[Anth0ny]

Batman

Top Tier:
1) The Dark Knight
2) Batman Returns

Good Tier:
3) Batman Begins
4) Batman

Mid Tier
5) The Dark Knight Rises

Junk Food Tier:
6) Batman & Robin

What in the Fuck is This Shit Tier:
7) Batman Forever
8) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Interesting list. I put Begins and probably Rises about the Burton films (it's close), but I can see where you're coming from.

 

[andythinkpad]

BvS has one of my lease favorite final battle from any superhero movie. It's just noise. It's like watching tinfoil being microwaved.

 

[Disgraced]

Batman Forever did have Kiss From Rose song tho so it gets some points for that.

And Bats and Robin gave us The End Is The Beginning Is The End which was incidentally, used excellently in Watchmen's trailer. Wait, nevermind shit lol.

[Edit #1:] In my defense that naming is confusing.

[Edit #whatever] After scanning Wikipedia further—nah, I was pretty much correct the first time.

 

[echoshifting]

BvS has one of my lease favorite final battle from any superhero movie. It's just noise. It's like watching tinfoil being microwaved.

Doomsday is entering its third phase!
Doomsday is weakened! Press A for awesome!

 

[Bishop89]

People listing pre-begins batman films above Bvs?

You guys are just hating for the sake of hating at this point.

Those films are absolute garbage, BVS is just like any of the other superhero films in the past 10 years.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Doomsday is entering its third phase!
Doomsday is weakened! Press A for awesome!

Lionsgate just found their director for Naruto.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Batman

Top Tier:
1) The Dark Knight
2) Batman Returns

Good Tier:
3) Batman Begins
4) Batman

Mid Tier
5) The Dark Knight Rises

Junk Food Tier:
6) Batman & Robin

What in the Fuck is This Shit Tier:
7) Batman Forever
8) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

My modest revision would look like

Batman

Top Tier:
1) The Dark Knight
2) Batman Returns

Good Tier:
3) Batman Begins
4) Batman

Mid Tier
5) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Junk Food Tier:
6) The Dark Knight Rises

What in the Fuck is This Shit Tier:
7) Batman Forever
8) Batman & Robin


The top 5, I would be happy watching again. TDKR, I have 0 desire to ever watch again and I'm not really sure why. Something about it just didn't work. And those 2 late 90s Batman films with Arnold and Carey...nopenopenope. unreasonably bad.

 

[Replicant]

Batman

Top Tier:
1) The Dark Knight
2) Batman Returns

Good Tier:
3) Batman Begins
4) Batman

Mid Tier
5) The Dark Knight Rises

Junk Food Tier:
6) Batman & Robin

What in the Fuck is This Shit Tier:
7) Batman Forever
8) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

I...I actually agree with this. Nolan's Two-Face and Burton's Catwoman are two of my favourite bat-nemesis transferred into the silver screen.

 

[andythinkpad]

People listing pre-begins batman films above Bvs?

You guys are just hating for the sake of hating at this point.

Those films are absolute garbage, BVS is just like any of the other superhero films in the past 10 years.

Danny Elfman's score is god tier.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

Spiderman merchandise revenues were previously split 50-50 between Marvel & SONY - SONY sold those rights for a paltry $350M during its restructuring.

Do you have a source for this? More specifically the price supposedly paid and that they were splitting 50/50 on revenue for (film) merchandise? What I do know is that right now Disney/Marvel actually pays Sony a royalty fee for every Spiderman movie. Maybe that got removed as per this last deal, but we'll know for sure at Disney's FY'16 financials.

Are you insane? Why would Disney give a shit about X-men or Fantastic Four when they have Batman and Superman? Like seriously.

Disney would have Marvel and DC under the same roof. They wouldn't give a shit about X-Men.

I think X-Men has tremendous potential, but has been horribly mismanaged by Marvel (comics/merchandise), Fox (films), Universal (theme parks). I also think it'll never reach its full potential unless all rights are under one company.

Fantastic Four though, I feel you're right and Disney would not really give a shit right now regardless. They wouldn't pay to get their rights back unless the price is low (two XMen tv shows?). Otherwise they would let the rights expire and revert. Marvel could definitely use them and I feel they would make them relevant, but Disney won't pay up.

He's right.

Please elaborate.

Is it because of the history? Deadpool alone shows the potential in the X-men/mutants if done right (which Marvel would certainly do). Fox spent the last 16 years fucking up the potential they had in that property and honestly they fell ass backwards into Deadpool, director had to put them on blast to green-light it.

FF would be a monster under Marvel.

History is part of it. I agree that X-Men could be much bigger than it is, but it will never reach its potential with 3 companies controlling different rights to it. FF could definitely be salvaged as well.

My point was that you suggested they give up DC rights, which would include everything from theme parks to merchandise to movies, and in exchange they would get live action movie rights from Fox. It's an incredibly one sided deal that even 90s Marvel probably wouldn't make. If they obtained it, I don't think they would trade the rights regardless though. Not before trying to make it work. The only time Disney gives up IP rights/assets is when they try stuff and it doesn't work for them financially (Miramax, Power Rangers).

 

[Nokterian]

People listing pre-begins batman films above Bvs?

You guys are just hating for the sake of hating at this point.

Those films are absolute garbage, BVS is just like any of the other superhero films in the past 10 years.

Not really BvS is one of the worst i have seen in a long long time. Also Tim Burton made one of the best batman movies alongside Christopher Nolan.

 

[vinnygambini]

Do you have a source for this? More specifically the price supposedly paid and that they were splitting 50/50 on revenue for (film) merchandise? What I do know is that right now Disney/Marvel actually pays Sony a royalty fee for every Spiderman movie. Maybe that got removed as per this last deal, but we'll know for sure at Disney's FY'16 financials.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/07/09/spider-man-saves-the-day-but-not-for-sony.aspx

 

[Sephzilla]

People listing pre-begins batman films above Bvs?

You guys are just hating for the sake of hating at this point.

Those films are absolute garbage, BVS is just like any of the other superhero films in the past 10 years.

....The first Tim Burton Batman movie was basically the catalyst that started the 90s superhero film run. It and Returns were good movies

 

[illmatic22]

People listing pre-begins batman films above Bvs?

You guys are just hating for the sake of hating at this point.

Those films are absolute garbage, BVS is just like any of the other superhero films in the past 10 years.

The Burton films are good.

 

[rrc1594]

....The first Tim Burton Batman movie was basically the catalyst that started the 90s superhero film run. It and Returns were good movies

Plus it gave birth to greatness that is Batman:TAS and honesty represent everything I love about Batman. Thank You Tim