I'm not saying they aren't friends, I'm saying they've done a horrible job showing us instead of telling us. But as the other guy said, clearly I don't know what friendship is and have never had friends so just ignore my posts.
Wkd Box Office 0401-0316 - BvS has 'worse legs than Barbara Gordon' -- Sibersk Esto
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I'm not saying they aren't friends, I'm saying they've done a horrible job showing us instead of telling us. But as the other guy said, clearly I don't know what friendship is and have never had friends so just ignore my posts.
broncobuster
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Worth noting TDK's factor is reportedly one of the reason they were comfortable in canning it. Back then WB had Harry Potter and other franchises to lean back on. Stakes are higher this time. WB is in dire need of a franchise.
It's funny how fast studio fortunes can reverse. WB was pretty dominant in the 2000s.
They are still a lot better off than Sony or Paramount though.
Primethius
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Safe is such a meaningless complaint and also, completely revisionist, especially in regards to Avengers.
And the idea that BvS did "unsafe" stuff? lol
I guess being shit in the post Marvel world is pretty unsafe.
BenjaminBirdie
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One thing in particular will be that no one will be giving a fuck if women are the main characters in a big blockbuster.
You think Hollywood's America is going to become LESS progressive in the next four years?
lmfao
What would have been a good way of showing us they're friends?
They have pretty bad execs in charge at the moment. I don't know how they survive the year after a dismal 2015, BvS's under performance and the bomb that Tarzan will be.
Sibersk Esto
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It's weird, because I'm pretty sure Steve and Tony have had the most interaction with each other in the avengers movies.
Bobby Roberts
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Looks like the trades are calling BvS falling to The Boss this weekend.
Agreed. Marvel pioneered the concept of the Cinematic Universe as we know it today. They redefined what the word 'franchise' meant to the rest of the studio system. It's not enough to have a trilogy, and call it a day. It's gotten to the point where If you don't have tie-in's and spin-offs, you're not trying.
Safe is not the word I would use to describe what they pulled off. The whole impetus for BvS existing is a reaction to the work Marvel has done. Which is weird because you'd think WB would have tried this long, long ago.
Dash_Riprock
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Its just insult upon injury at this point.
Mid (and maybe even low) 20s would be enough to do it.
BenjaminBirdie
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Pop-O-Matic
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This is good, but we need Hardcore to beat BvS this weekend for the real victory...
BronsonLee
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CaviarMeths
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Well people enjoyed a lot Avengers/TFA when they first saw it and maybe the second time too but that doesnt mean the movie aint a straight up boring safe ass shit with not a single risk taken in any aspect of the movie itself.
Yet those movies made billions, point being my "" at the end of my post.
lol.
So this is the universe in which we consider taking out a $525mil bank loan to self-finance your own movies without the use of your most popular characters, putting up your own IP as collateral, not risky.
I wonder what beer tastes like in this universe.
The Boss gonna be this movie's equivalent of Neighbors taking down ASM2, then.
I get you and Ahaversus mixed up, but anyway, if you could set aside the love for DC for a bit, then you'd realize the entire point of the party at Stark tower and even the time at Barton farm was to show the Avengers as a team who do like each other...,to varying degrees.
If you missed all of those scenes of them getting along in the past movies then it's on you. Don't blame the movies for not being a sledgehammer and hamfisted about it.
Not everything has to be in your face and obnoxious as BvS "Martha, I'm your son's friend....as of 5 minutes ago" scene.
Dude, no one saw those flicks
Oh shit, Hardcore Henry is this weekend? Fuck yeah, gonna get lit and see that for sure.
Sho_Nuff82
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I've been saying it for months, but Cyborg is never coming out. We'll see Planet Hulk before we see Cyborg get 120 minutes of CGI backstory.
BronsonLee
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Cap and Tony are those two friends who fight all the time and nobody understands why they're friends until shit hits the fan
BvS isn't what they want it to be but probably not a disaster for them this year, it's more the worry that they have lost the trust of the audience now and people don't have the confidence that they can deliver a good movie as steadily as the combo of Disney/ Marvel/ Pixar could. I think Fantastic Beasts will be on par with the Harry Potter films quality-wise, not sure if the fans are starved enough for something related to that world to elevate it to a breakout hit.
BenjaminBirdie
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fffuuuuuccckkkk
keep going
i know she gives clotheslines to a bunch of girl scouts in the trailer
gotta be good for something
I want Aquaman to happen just because there is no way this movie works. No way.
I literally burst out laughing in the theater when [BvS]
This one simply requires too much suspension of disbelief. It doesn't work when it's played 100% straight, completely serious.
I literally burst out laughing in the theater when [BvS]
an edgy guitar riff blasted from the speakers as an angry, tattooed Jason Momoa swam at the camera with a trident in his hand.
Pai Pai Master
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It's a tough nut to crack because they've only appeared together in 2 movies but have been working together for years at this point.
They could have done a bit more, sure, but I don't think anyone who goes to see Civil War is going to be like "i cant buy this conflict, we haven't had enough scenes of them pallin' around!"
We accept it with Banner and Stark, as its implied they've been hanging out and working in the lab together for a considerable amount of time from Avengers to Iron Man 3 to Age of Ultron. Is it that much harder to accept it for Steve and Tony?
Discotheque
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they need to give him a sebastian the crab-esque sidekick.
broncobuster
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Can't imagine Civil War begins with friction. Always time to sell the friendship there. It's a 2.5 hour film. But I'll say I agree the Avengers films never sold it. Both went for Tony&Banner and Cap&Thor.
Yes, because I presented that Martha scene as an example of cinematic friendship. Oh, wait, I never did that.
Sibersk Esto
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It's an example of hamfisted "Make it obvious" method you seem to prefer.
I couldn't get over the fact he was obviously holding his breath. Don't get me wrong I don't know how you get around that in a live action Aquaman outside of CGI water which will look like ass, but what they did there just doesn't work. It looks as dorky as shit.
Why did he stare at the camera for what felt like 2 minutes?
broncobuster
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James Wan describes his Aquaman as swashbuckling. Plus the deep sea Cthulhu monsters. Who knows.
Discotheque
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no doubt. i don't really care about the "so was I" line though. can't really put these movies under a microscope.
NealMcCauley
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Puck Beaverton
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Cap/Tony always came off as co-workers who respect each other but will never hang out when not on the job. Selling this idea that they're really close friends is the wrong move.
whenever I see people reacting to that with the usual "my feels!! 😭" I just cringe. They're projecting the comics relationship unto something that still feels like it's in its infancy.
I prefer good writing and seeing a friendship grow rather than being told 'so were we.' Ya know, the same good writing that has organic friendships between Cap and Bucky, Cap and Thor, Cap and Black Widow, Iron Man and Hulk, Iron Man and War Machine, and Cap/Falcon.
Now if you'd said 'Cap and Stark are brothers', you'd have foundation to stand on. But eh, you watched BvS and thought Batman was literally saying he was friends with Superman instead of comforting a scared woman with something to put her at ease. Which was hamfisted and obvious but still utterly missed by you.
I don't blame them for that. What they had with Nolan was working. They hadn't managed to establish any of their other heroes AFAIK but the Nolan trilogy was working and working WELL. So them not copying Marvel is fine. Why 'fix' something that isn't broken.
After it was known Nolan was moving on however they quickly saw Avengers and flat out adopted that entire strat immediately; but wanted to fast track it. No origin move for Batman, just MoS into BvS into SS into JL?
I don't know. Maybe they should have stuck to what they were doing. Separate universes until the found their way. TDK trilogy is still one of the best superhero trio of films ever, even in this post 'CU' world. I'm not so sure they needed to do what Marvel is doing basically; I'm not sold on that.
I can see why dc fans would WANT to see JL on the screen after seeing Avengers, but I'm just not convinced after seeing MoS and BvS that it was the best course.
Wasn't that the point of the scene in Age of Ultron where they are all literally doing just that?
But we see them hanging out after work in both Avengers movies...
I don't get where people are getting the "close" friendship angle as being pushed.
In the movie itself mean anythign to anyone anymore or what?
I want talking about what they started it, or what risk they took in making GOTG, Im talking about the movie itself and what it has, cinematography, direction, themes, etc.
All Marvel movies are completly safe in how they look and how they are presented, throw in them some comic stuff that completly ruin some scenes and you have a very safe but very successfull formula, look at teh new starwars for fucks sakes.
They know what people in masses like, so they make it.
Put Marvel people making the same movie and I guarantee it will make a billion it wont be teh same movie though and probably will be the same shit as Avengers, batman making jokes to superman etc.
Zeyphersan
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Film has no legs at this point, theaters in my area are dropping show times at a rapid pace
Discotheque
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he invited black widow, banner and rhodes. he just didn't want to hurt cap's feelings so he had to invite everybody else to save face.
I remember everyone hanging except Cap/Stark. Until they were all sitting in a circle.
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