Reddit [verified] User shares NX info: x86 Architecture, Second screen support etc.

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Davey Cakes

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Can I be honest? I'd LOVE if they brought back cartridges for the console.

Maybe I'm weird but I've never enjoyed handling discs.

And all the benefits of removing the disc drive are hard to ignore.
 
Can I be honest? I'd LOVE if they brought back cartridges for the console.

Maybe I'm weird but I've never enjoyed handling discs.

And all the benefits of removing the disc drive are hard to ignore.

Don't carts have too much of a stigma when it comes to home consoles? Plus, there's still the manufacturing cost differential. Discs have been a dime a dozen since the '90s.
 

THE:MILKMAN

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Fuck it. Nintendo is going summit ridge. Be bold. It's Zen and it lines up with Q4 2016, which is the rumored NX launch. Uses 95w tops.

I assume you're joking here but that is the top end desktop (i7 like) Zen chip. Any Zen based semi-custom chip would I think be 4 core and take up 50-60mm2 of a APU chip?

I have no idea if that's feasible or realistic nor whether Nintendo could or would go for Zen.
 

10k

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With Bristol ridge not being likely, l'm thinking they're targeting a zen cpu
Summit ridge is the APU that will feature Zen CPU's and they will likely shove a Tonga GPU equivalent in there with DDR4 since that APU only supports ddr4.

I assume you're joking here but that is the top end desktop (i7 like) Zen chip. Any Zen based semi-custom chip would I think be 4 core and take up 50-60mm2 of a APU chip?

I have no idea if that's feasible or realistic nor whether Nintendo could or would go for Zen.
I wasn't serious lol. Nintendo will either use Bristol ridge (even though CMT is hot garbage) or they are the first Zen customers (which uses SMT) and will use a custom APU with no name yet.

8 core Zen CPU at 2.5Ghz 14nm
8GB DDR4
Tonga GPU around 2Tflops.

My Hail Mary guess lol.
 

Proelite

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Summit ridge is the APU that will feature Zen CPU's and they will likely shove a Tonga GPU equivalent in there with DDR4 since that APU only supports ddr4.


I wasn't serious lol. Nintendo will either use Bristol ridge (even though CMT is hot garbage) or they are the first Zen customers (which uses SMT) and will use a custom APU with no name yet.

8 core Zen CPU at 2.5Ghz 14nm
8GB DDR4
Tonga GPU around 3TFLOPS.

My Hail Mary guess lol.

with 100 gb/s bandwidth for the main ram, the GPU would perform as well as a 2.0 tf part max.
 

10k

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I still say it's beneficial to go A72 to keep things simple. x86 feels unnecessary for their needs.
Well based on verified info it's x86.

This is the last of the PM's from the leaker. This is second hand info, he didn't PM me, he PM'd a gaffer who doesn't want the attention I assume.



It's a reboot of an old chip, if you look through AMD news it won't be hard to spot.

I've googled and the only chip I see being refreshed is Godavari and Carizzo.

with 100 gb/s bandwidth for the main ram, the GPU would perform as well as a 2.0 tf part max.
The 3 was a typo. My bad. 2.0 would be about as much as I expect Nintendo to go, it's a bit better than PS4, while the CPU would be "noticeably" better according to LCGeek. Fits well, since the CPUs seem to be the bottleneck this gen.
 

Nanashrew

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Well based on verified info it's x86.

This is the last of the PM's from the leaker. This is second hand info, he didn't PM me, he PM'd a gaffer who doesn't want the attention I assume.





I've googled and the only chip I see being refreshed is Godavari and Carizzo.

What verified info???

The reddit guy was unverified and LCGeek doesn't know the architecture.

Honestly, still doesn't make sense. They're stuck with x86 then and can't get into ARM to better streamline their development process.
 

-Horizon-

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Well based on verified info it's x86.

This is the last of the PM's from the leaker. This is second hand info, he didn't PM me, he PM'd a gaffer who doesn't want the attention I assume.





I've googled and the only chip I see being refreshed is Godavari and Carizzo.

who??
 

Neoxon

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Well based on verified info it's x86.

This is the last of the PM's from the leaker. This is second hand info, he didn't PM me, he PM'd a gaffer who doesn't want the attention I assume.
Didn't the same guy get un-verified?
 

10k

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What verified info???

The reddit guy was unverified and LCGeek doesn't know the architecture.

Honestly, still doesn't make sense. They're stuck with x86 then and can't get into ARM to better streamline their development process.
A dev in here already said matching the architectures of the handheld and console isn't a big deal. The handheld can be arm and the console could be x86. It's not as important as people think in streamlining the porting process.


Didn't the same guy get un-verified?

Yes. The same guy posted some fishy information that put off some red flags among NX subreddit's moderation. You should take this guy with a grain of salt.
Yeah take all this with salt. I just thought it would provide some interesting discussion.
 
I honestly don't see them releasing both versions (handheld and console) of a game in the same cartridge. I fully understand there are benefits by doing so but at least I can think of one or two odds by pursuing such goal and most of them come from the handheld division.

1. With the current pricing model, either the console or handheld will have to give in.
Some time ago someone mentioned about a flexible pricing as: X game can be $40, Y game can be $50 and Z game can be $60 depending on the work done and IP.
Say Mario Kart 9 is one of the $60 games, it would negatively impact their business from people who have been playing exclusively on handhelds and refuse to pay $20 more for the assets of a game (console version) they will not play at all.

2. Packaging both versions in the same cartridge would mean they share the same box and retail space. Even if said box has neon lights shining bright saying X game is strictly console exclusive (because there definitely will be) there's a really really high chance people (parents mostly) will ignore that and still purchase the game for little Timmy's handheld, leading to a lot of problems between parents, retail stores and Nintendo itself.
The same will happen for handheld exclusive games.

Well, ask the cashier if a game works for X device first before buying!!! - Some of them are even clueless than the costumer, don't care or simply will say anything in order to sell games.

3. By releasing both versions in the same cartridge Nintendo basically would cut a big chunk (over half) of their revenue from those who actually bother to purchase both of their platforms and wouldn't do it anymore because the game is basically the same between devices**. Nintendo first and foremost is a business so I don't think it's the smartest thing to do.
Now, I know they already have quite a few titles that allow cross buy where you purchase one version and get the other one for free but that's mostly for smaller projects. We have yet to see it working grand-scale with all their AAA IPs.

**This is more of a side effect of unifying their development teams as those who usually get both platforms get them because of the different experiences each game has to offer compared to the handheld/console counterpart.
. e.g. 3DS Super Mario 3D Land -- Wii U Super Mario 3D World.
Now it would simply be let's say... Super Mario 3D Universe for both platforms.

This is basically when exclusive games for X device come out to play.


IMO they'd be better off releasing disc versions of games for the console and cartridges for the handheld. It really boils down to how clear their message is, how the games work and how their marketing handles the promo.

For some reason, some people have come to the conclusion that merging their development teams instantly means cross-buy//pay one get two kind of deal when in reality (and what we know so far) is merely to make it easier for them to create and manage new projects across devices after struggling to support both with a healthy and steady amount of games for years.

They way I see it, Nintendo will offer the same game for both platforms but ultimately it will be the costumer who decides what versions makes the most sense for him/her.

Now, I think however, they won't have any problem offering a digital version for free when you purchase the other one and/or offer X digital version at a heavily discounted price when you purchase the other one for some of their games (if not all of them). After all, that's the whole point of "brother/family of devices" or the infamous "shared library" concept but from that to offer both versions in the same physical medium is quite a stretch imo.

EDIT: In case it comes the wrong way, I'm not opposed to the console using cartridges AT ALL, if they can do it then that's great. My post is more towards sharing a single game/cartridge between both platforms.
For the pricing, they can release the shared library titles at 40-50 bucks like the budget Wii U games/Wii games.
Console exclusive games like Call of Duty can be $60.
No real issue there.
I'm pretty sure no one confuses new 3DS games for 3DS games despite being a similar situation. Different colored packaging could alleviate the this further (Like black instead of white, for example).
 

Malus

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Didn't the same guy get un-verified?

Did he? The NX subreddit just decided to take the verification tag off all of their posts. I don't think they made a statement about this guy in particular being "un-verified." unless I missed something in another post.
 

ozfunghi

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Summit ridge is the APU that will feature Zen CPU's and they will likely shove a Tonga GPU equivalent in there with DDR4 since that APU only supports ddr4.


I wasn't serious lol. Nintendo will either use Bristol ridge (even though CMT is hot garbage) or they are the first Zen customers (which uses SMT) and will use a custom APU with no name yet.

8 core Zen CPU at 2.5Ghz 14nm
8GB DDR4
Tonga GPU around 2Tflops.

My Hail Mary guess lol.

Thraktor already ruled Zen out (well, at least, gave some arguments why it is highly unlikely) in his long CPU comparison post.

Zen

Advantages:
- Substantially better performance per thread than Puma
- Should provide high performance per thread even at console-level TDP

Disadvantages:
- Only available on 14nm, which means it's unlikely to be feasible for a 2016 console
- Probably a relatively large die area
 

Nanashrew

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Did he? The NX subreddit just decided to take the verification tag off all of their posts. I don't think they made a statement about this guy in particular being "un-verified." unless I missed something in another post.

I don't believe they made a statement, no. But the more he talked about the NX, the more red flags he started giving off. So since all that they unverified him.
 

10k

Banned
Thraktor already ruled Zen out (well, at least, gave some arguments why it is highly unlikely) in his long CPU comparison post.
He didn't rule it out. He said its unlikely, but Q3 2016 is supposed to be the launch of Zen CPU's and it's APU's are in 2017 I believe. Put some Polaris in that bitch too :p
 

antonz

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Puma is too hot, imo, for Nintendo's general needs/wants.

We really don't know what Nintendo needs or wants though. The Wii was designed with an obsession to address a supposed Japanese need for smaller devices. The Wii U by being what it was remained small. Japan has made it abundantly clear they are not obsessed with needing a tiny console.

NX with it supposed to be a break and a new start could be a PS4 sized device for all we know and in such a case the need for tiny is out the window
 

Malus

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AzaK

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The Wii U launched with Nintendoland and third party ports, AAA Nintendo games would've helped.

I don't agree, we have complete opposite views. I don't think western third parties should be part of the big strategy consideration. They've wasted time and money on that before.

20 million? I think the 3DS model, but with a better launch year, should be a goal. Rely not only on their own games, but on games you don't get on the other consoles or on Steam.

But even when the better games came out it didn't really move the needle.


Wii U never had a new Zelda game tho. Or a Mario 64/Galaxy style game.

But it had a game much bigger than both combined - Mario Kart and that didn't help.
 

AzaK

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Mario Kart clearly helped.

Obviously a blip, but certainly it wasn't the thing that got the Wii U selling and rolling along healthily. Nothing on Wii U has done that to my knowledge, which suggests it's not ALL about the games. People have got to want to accept your hardware, infrastructure and general approach to gaming....which requires publishers and developers to get on board as well.....which in this day and age requires good hardware and an open approach.
 

Sandfox

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Obviously a blip, but certainly it wasn't the thing that got the Wii U selling and rolling along healthily. Nothing on Wii U has done that to my knowledge, which suggests it's not ALL about the games. People have got to want to accept your hardware, infrastructure and general approach to gaming....which requires publishers and developers to get on board as well.....which in this day and age requires good hardware and an open approach.

I would say games are just as important and Nintendo's titles are part of the way they differentiate themselves from the competition. You're arguing that that it's not just about games and that Nintendo needs more, but I don't see anyone saying otherwise.

Games like Mario Kart, Splatoon, and Mario Maker have helped the Wii U out, but one can only expect so much when the platform was clearly already done when those games released
 
At this point I am gonna assume the NX is a working reproduction of the Brave Little Toaster, so many rumors....

Oh and it makes toast and plays games.
 
Would be bad. They'd need to give everyone a very good reason for that decision. Right now the internet sucks, and they also need to maintain their relationships with brick and mortar stores.

There's also the fact that even when digital is becoming more popular in parts of the world, they're still a Japanese company based in their home country with a substantial market share there. Japan's not as much of a digital powerhouse as the west is getting, so they can't shut that market out by going only digital.

At this point I am gonna assume the NX is a working reproduction of the Brave Little Toaster, so many rumors....

Oh and it makes toast and plays games.

But will it also go on adventures and defeat Pennywise the clown?
 

Vena

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I've googled and the only chip I see being refreshed is Godavari and Carizzo.

Excavator...? or a Steamroller refresh...? Is Nintendo going to be building a PC? I find both highly improbable and that that redditor is making shit up, or there is other things that AMD is refreshing that we've not listed.

I can't see anyone trying to use a CMT based uarch for gaming applications unless Nintendo has suddenly invented magic to make use of it. Somehow. The only way I could see them using any Bulldozer derivative is if AMD was physically giving it away for free. If it is either of those refreshes then we're looking at some pretty shitty CPU builds and at best a modified R7 series GPU part of the APU, oof.

AMD has 25W Puma+ parts at 2.5ghz

Wasn't aware that they made such gains from the early cats.
 
On the topic of pricing, it could be mitigated by simplifying their logistics which is one of the biggest money hogs for a company.

Terrell has this excellent write-up about this. It's a very long and dense read. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=192728798&postcount=557
Interesting. I wonder if they would make it smaller than a 3DS box like the Vita boxes.
Vita boxes felt pretty cheap and I'm not sure it helped with marketing.
So it seems doable, at the very least, but around a dollar more expensive per game at the very best.
If the packaging is slightly smaller than a vita one you could theoretically ship 2x as many games as a standard WiiU case which could cut down the costs quite a bit. If you're only shipping one version then it could very well be around the same price.
Still not sure if they'll go through with it, but it could work
 
I think the physical media will be similar to the 3DS for the Handheld NX with Xenoblade X style data download to support the physical release for the console NX.
 

Pokemaniac

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I think the physical media will be similar to the 3DS for the Handheld NX with Xenoblade X style data download to support the physical release for the console NX.

Most games shouldn't really even need to resort to that. Especially Nintendo ones. They shipped a retail game this gen which was literally small enough that it could theoretically fit on a Game Cube disc (Captain Toad). The ones that would be big enough would likely be rare enough that it would be worthwhile to bite the bullet on more expensive storage in those specific instances.
 

Nanashrew

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Most games shouldn't really even need to resort to that. Especially Nintendo ones. They shipped a retail game this gen which was literally small enough that it could theoretically fit on a Game Cube disc (Captain Toad). The ones that would be big enough would likely be rare enough that it would be worthwhile to bite the bullet on more expensive storage in those specific instances.

Exactly. They don't make a lot of their games super big in file size, but the few that do are huge sellers and can could make back the cost.
 
Microsoft just announced their E3 conference for the usual day and time slot. You guys expecting Nintendo to do the same usual day and time except with a live conference?
 

Plinko

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Microsoft just announced their E3 conference for the usual day and time slot. You guys expecting Nintendo to do the same usual day and time except with a live conference?

I still expect a Digital Event.
 

jmizzal

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I wonder how far out will Nintendo will announce its NX reveal plans. like a week or longer

I hope on the 27th they announce they will have a NX reveal Direct on the May 5th

I think the reveal can be a Pre Recorded Nintendo Direct but E3 will be a live stage show with full blowout
 

GamerJM

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I'm gonna say that digital/live event is a 50/50 sort of deal and there's an even chance of either happening. I'd slightly prefer a live event but I'm fine with either.
 
I really don't want to see Miyamoto playing Zelda on stage via a live demo again.
When he demoed Wind Waker and important item clipped through the ground and he was stuck not being able to progress.
When he demoed SS interference messed up the controls.
The digital event can be amazing, we saw how much better the 2014 one was in comparison to the competition, they just didn't have enough content for the last one.
They should (or at least they better) have a ton to show this e3 with potentially two new consoles to show off.
Treehouse live is great for those demos since it's more laid back.
 
I'm just so ready to learn more about this thing and Zelda. It's really crazy how fast time flies. It doesn't feel that long ago I learned that Zelda was going to skip E3 2015.
 

AniHawk

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I wonder how far out will Nintendo will announce its NX reveal plans. like a week or longer

I hope on the 27th they announce they will have a NX reveal Direct on the May 5th

I think the reveal can be a Pre Recorded Nintendo Direct but E3 will be a live stage show with full blowout

april 27: announcement at the investor's meeting, with maybe a short video showing the form factors, the names, controllers, etc.

june 12: epd's mario game revealed at nwc in front of a live crowd before the final round via one hell of a coked-up announcer ala the 1980s classic, the wizard

june 14: nintendo direct about an hour long of just the nx and its games

june 14-16: three days of treehouse live showcasing the hardware features live on stage with new games, plus some wii u and 3ds games.
 

Scum

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april 27: announcement at the investor's meeting, with maybe a short video showing the form factors, the names, controllers, etc.

june 12: epd's mario game revealed at nwc in front of a live crowd before the final round via one hell of a coked-up announcer ala the 1980s classic, the wizard

june 14: nintendo direct about an hour long of just the nx and its games

june 14-16: three days of treehouse live showcasing the hardware features live on stage with new games, plus some wii u and 3ds games.

Morning, Kimishima. :p
 

Neoxon

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Microsoft just announced their E3 conference for the usual day and time slot. You guys expecting Nintendo to do the same usual day and time except with a live conference?
I'm honestly 50/50 on if Nintendo will do a press conference or a Digital Event. It could really go either way, especially with the Nintendo World Championship covering their live presence beyond the show floor.
 

ffdgh

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Microsoft just announced their E3 conference for the usual day and time slot. You guys expecting Nintendo to do the same usual day and time except with a live conference?

I'm cool with whatever as long as they're able to get their point across clearly that the NX is a new console and not an add on.
 

AntMurda

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I'm honestly 50/50 on if Nintendo will do a press conference or a Digital Event. It could really go either way, especially with the Nintendo World Championship covering their live presence beyond the show floor.

Let's not embellish on what the NWC was. They announced a virtual console game there. Then they showed a few levels of Super Mario Maker and an obscurely hidden multiplayer portion of Federation Force.

This is by no means a grand stage to announce anything but small niche things.
 
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