framerate bumps require CPU as well as GPU. Some games that are unlocked and nearly hit 60 might be a solid 60, but I don't expect that is the route most will take. The GPU is disproportionately more improved so you'll be much more likely to see higher resolutions, higher shadow detail etc. Literally the kinds of things you'd expect to see on a PC game when going from a 7850 to a 290 but keeping the same CPU
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framerate bumps require CPU as well as GPU. Some games that are unlocked and nearly hit 60 might be a solid 60, but I don't expect that is the route most will take. The GPU is disproportionately more improved so you'll be much more likely to see higher resolutions, higher shadow detail etc. Literally the kinds of things you'd expect to see on a PC game when going from a 7850 to a 290 but keeping the same CPU
Unless Sony deliberately misleads consumers with marketing material, there really isn't any reason that kind of mass scale confusion among consumers.
Why are you assuming 95% of PS4 owners are utter idiots?
MatrixMan.EXE
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Why is it pretty fucking stupid? You can call GBC anything you want. It was an upgrade, not a new console, regardless of what you personally think it is. It is factually the same system upgraded to display games in colour.
Because apparently, we were all imagining it when developers constantly used PC footage to showcase their AAA multiplatform games instead of consoles footage since...well...forever.
Tell that to the dev who said that, not me.
Plus your argument is still in favor of the situation that people are afraid of. Optimizing for multiple configurations on PC is not a good thing for anyone's hardware.
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Yes that's a good point. I can see that they might not have to pair stuff back so much for the PS4K version. Or even not having to pair stuff back at all.
Opus Angelorum
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Sony simply just have to put a 'Plays better on PS4K' sticker on the box.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Yup thats what im thinking and probably a even more stable framerate. I already can imagine the new Battlefield having the Neo Profile.
I think 95% of any mass market consumers are utter idiots.
That is the base of our consumer society.
Markitron
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Just like the N64 did with the expansion pack, I believe that was 'Expansion Pack Enhanced!'
So PS4K exclusives are inevitable?
Sadly this is not far from the truth...
BigTnaples
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gundamkyoukai
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That maybe be true but most people know that S version of a iPhone better .
So that means it runs stuff better or have better hardware .
So it would be rather easy for sony do it with PS4k.
Then in what way is the lifespan of the generation increased?
narutomaki04
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if true I'll trade in my PS4 for this version
I'm quite content with my PS4 but this upgrades console is too tempting. Even the current hardware can deliver some mind blowing visuals even in resolutions like 900p, just imagine the PS4K Uncharted 4.
And 400$ isn't too much for this kind of hardware.Only problem i see is old Ps4 and Ps4k users sharing the same online environment. 4K users will have a slight advantage with higher FPS and that's the kind of stuff can hurt the whole gaming console concept.
And 400$ isn't too much for this kind of hardware.Only problem i see is old Ps4 and Ps4k users sharing the same online environment. 4K users will have a slight advantage with higher FPS and that's the kind of stuff can hurt the whole gaming console concept.
???
Maybe because the upgrade will come 3 years later?
Are people now just trying to come up with the worst post possible? Do you have a phone? You shouldn't have because there will be a better one released.
There is enough room for reasonable criticism in this matter but some people are trying too hard.
amstradcpc
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I wonder if prior rumors of CPU not finally decided was a doubt between going on with Jaguar/Puma or jumping Zen. Reading reviews about Puma+ at 28nm, 4 cores have a tdp of circa 5 watts with a turbo clock of 2,2 GHz (just tablet world consumption) and are barely more capable than an APPLE A7 cpu... Today an APPLE A9 cpu at 14nm would eat it for breakfast:
Discovery tablet with 4 Puma+ cores versus an IPAD AIR 1/Iphone 5s (with APPLE A7):
Maybe the Giant Bomb document is still not set in stone and we have a Cerny "8 GB" moment in the end with the CPU.
Discovery tablet with 4 Puma+ cores versus an IPAD AIR 1/Iphone 5s (with APPLE A7):
Maybe the Giant Bomb document is still not set in stone and we have a Cerny "8 GB" moment in the end with the CPU.
The fact of the matter is people are taking this way out of context and proportion.
No? Because they are still going to be using PS4 as minimum development environment.
The PS4K is fully integrated with the PS4's store and OS, as well as using its architecture for a reason. This thing is specifically an extension of the PS4 for those people who want higher fidelity/more solid framerates of games, the games won't change if its PS4 regardless.
Sony are trying to cover 2 user bases at once in the budget and 'premium' sector, and that's far more of a priority for them than intentionally splitting their user base.
Stop with this guys. They don't want to reoptimize everything for a brand new CPU architecture! That is not the plans for a low cost stop gap upgrade like this, as its not intended to be a new generation investment.
THey are only doing it cause they can get the CU's and extra power via upclocks in there with 16nm finfet, they are not looking to replace anything significant with something brand new which would mean a lot of new testing and a reshuffling of their papers
No? Because they are still going to be using PS4 as minimum development environment.
The PS4K is fully integrated with the PS4's store and OS, as well as using its architecture for a reason. This thing is specifically an extension of the PS4 for those people who want higher fidelity/more solid framerates of games, the games won't change if its PS4 regardless.
Sony are trying to cover 2 user bases at once in the budget and 'premium' sector, and that's far more of a priority for them than intentionally splitting their user base.
Stop with this guys. They don't want to reoptimize everything for a brand new CPU architecture! That is not the plans for a low cost stop gap upgrade like this, as its not intended to be a new generation investment.
THey are only doing it cause they can get the CU's and extra power via upclocks in there with 16nm finfet, they are not looking to replace anything significant with something brand new which would mean a lot of new testing and a reshuffling of their papers
CosmicQueso
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A dev did not say that. A craft brewer said that. The craft brewer was a dev many years ago.
This. Public is already knows that hardware upgrades are real. Iphone 6S is better than Iphone6, but they both have the same software/OS/services. Gamers know that 980Ti is better than 970, but they both play have same software/services. Galaxy S6 is better than S5, i7 from 2016 is better than i5 from 2015, etc.
We did not have this in console space, but every other fucking piece of modern consumer tech has switched to more iterative schedule [while maintaining software compatibility]. Soon we will see how will this change impact console industry. I think all will go fine as long as large PS4 install base continues getting same software for a next few years.
Beer brewer whose last gaming experience was working with 7th gen consoles. He exited game development even before he had a chance to see early PS4/Xbone devkits.
DaSorcerer7
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Zen is not happening, not for October 2016.
BigTnaples
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Graphical fidelity, performance, etc.
All of the stuff listed in the OP basically.
I will be less anxious for a PS5 if my PS4K can run games at decent fidelity when the PS4 hardware starts to age.
Even if they are both running the same games.
ninjablade
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Kinda sucks that 60fps doesn't seem to be an option, I might just stick to my ps4.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Im really starting to like this Concept more and more with every leak.
I hope Microsoft follows.
I hope Microsoft follows.
Maybe this time they have a secondary chip that actually works(?), with its own RAM, so that amount GDDR is freed from having to be reserved for OS tasks. Can't imagine them adding a 512MB additional GDDR Ram.
I may be way off base but the current secondary chip is not up to par for networked standby for example.
Again, is there a reason why this generation cannot last until 2018/2020 (whenever the PS5 comes out)? What's any of this got to do with PS4's lifespan?
Lifespan increased? Not really. This gen will last 6 or 7 years. Instead of a slim version mid-gen, we get a (a little bit) more powerful PS4K. Nothing will change regarding the lifespan of the current gen. Next 'upgrade' will be the PS5 in 3 or 3 1/2 years.
I dont know why people keep bringing up the mobile industry as an example of a lot of things.
Mobile industry is vastly different from gaming/console industry.
In mobiles the time required by a dev to create a game is nothing compared to what developers do for consoles.
It takes years to create an AAA game, can you imagine what devs will have to go through if consoles start coming up every year like mobiles do?
gundamkyoukai
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60fps will depend on the game .
If it cpu or gpu bound , i can see something like UC4 becoming 60fps .
But open world games like W3 or AC staying at 30fps .
Yep. Sony remembers the 7th gen and how creaky the PS3 and 360 got, and how onery the userbase got with that after 2010.
In the end, Sony are probably testing this to see if they can extend the gen the same way the 7th gen was extended, but when PS4 and XB1 show their age like the 360 and PS3 did in their latter years, the extra power of the stop gap machine and enhanced performance can stem the grumbles for a while.
It depends on the game and its requirements. It not a black and white situation.
amstradcpc
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Imagine the meltdowns at E3 if MS launches in March 2017 with ZEN. Same versions of games with 20/30 frames more per second purely by the CPU.
I wouldn't call a 40-50% faster system a little bit more powerful. This isn't a PS3 to 360 margin about a couple of flops.
ninjablade
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That's fine with me, open world games I would rather be 30fps with better graphics, but tps, racers, or a game like Bloodborne, and ds3 would be so much better at 60fps.
gundamkyoukai
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You seem to be missing my point .
It has nothing to do with the mobile industry since i can use another eg .
Point is it will be very easy for sony to tell consumers that PS4k run stuff better .
We were talking about consumers getting trick into thinking PS4 games will look\perform like PS4k games.
wapplew
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How can you be sure?
What if this turn into huge success and we get PS4 Neo plus for next upgrade instead?
What if MS release something more powerful and Sony quickly follow up with another upgrade after?
What if there will be no more PS5?
Sony knows they are losing customers to PC every day because of percieved performance problems. This is one way they came up with to try and cover their bases. When PS4 gets longer in the tooth, they still have a back up to point people to with decent specifications.
And i expect PS5 to launch in late 2021. This is to stop it from being a 5 or 6 year gen.
iNvid02
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That's not a generation extension though. Without the PS4K, the gen would last just as long.
60fps is an option. Not all games are CPU bound, and even it they are, devs can optimize [change the rendering or reduce number/complexity of objects on screen] to reach higher framerates.
Brad Grenz
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The point of the requirement is so that devs don't take their 60fps games on PS4 and cut them to 30fps to get them running at a full 4K on PS4K. No reason to read more into it than that.
Sure, but now you're talking about adding a third profile: Base, Neo and Neo on a Base TV... Sony does not want devs approaching Neo development with a focus on people who bought a 4K device to plug into their 1080p TV.
That tells us most of what we need to know considering we can see how shader counts and resolution increases relate to one another in existing GCN architecture cards.
Lol.
Also, let's not act like it's anything else than a way to sell a revision to even more people than the usual redesign.
I sincerely doubt this is the catalyst for the PS4K or that Sony is losing anywhere near notable amounts of people to PC; especially considering the growth the PS brand is seeing in emerging markets.
PSVR is the more likely candidate, since VR games will only get more advanced, hence the need for a stop-gap system that's more capable than the launch model.
And your proof is where? This is a generation extender, no doubt about it
wapplew
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Could be generation killer thou.
Performance issues and the blowback they get from that is absolutely going to be something they talk about when pitching an upgraded unit. PSVR and their ability to even do the upgrade with the leeway they have on the silicon front are other reasons, but they were thinking about a lot of things i'm sure.
If the desired ubiquity is anything to go by then the numeric nomenclature will fall by the way side and it will simply be called the "Playstation" with '2018/20/22 etc. edition' being a subtext