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[bachikarn]

It dangerously sounds like they're gonna ignore third parties again.

If true.

Nintendo's approach to third parties has generally been: make a lot of great games, build the user base, then the system would be a great platform for third parties to release games. This is what Nintendo needs to do, and hopefully they have some really good Western focused exclusives in it. This would hopefully attract a certain type of gamer to buy the system, and this type of gamer would be more likely to buy third party games than Nintendo's typical core fan.

However, they still need to do more than that by creating a box developers like and actively courting them. One of the GameCube hardware's philosophy was to make a box that was powerful AND easy to program for (unlike the PS2 and N64 before it). However, despite that, Nintendo still messed it up by using mini-DVDs, no online, and not having a Z2 button. Nintendo really has to listen to EVERYTHING they want.

 

[RM8]

To the people complaining that this means more rushed small games, think about Kid Icarus: Uprising on the 3DS, and imagine if that came out for the Wii U also.

When I was playing that on the cramped 3DS controls with the tiny screen, I kept thinking why the hell aren't they porting this to Wii U, it would look and control SO much better. I think Emily is suggesting that the shared library concept (whether fully shared or not) will allow more games like this to make it to all of the versions of NX, and that sounds pretty smart in my opinion.

It's the other way around. I want everything to be portable, so I hope I get that with NX

 

[Alebrije]

To the people complaining that this means more rushed small games, think about Kid Icarus: Uprising on the 3DS, and imagine if that came out for the Wii U also.

When I was playing that on the cramped 3DS controls with the tiny screen, I kept thinking why the hell aren't they porting this to Wii U, it would look and control SO much better. I think Emily is suggesting that the shared library concept (whether fully shared or not) will allow more games like this to make it to all of the versions of NX, and that sounds pretty smart in my opinion.

This applies to Luigies Mansion 2 and other games that were great on 3DS that never came up WiiU

 

[phanphare]

What's there to get excited about? This sounds like nintendos finally caught on to the fact that they can just release games incomplete or broken and patch them (or not) later like every other publishers been doing since last gen.

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[spookyfish]

I don't want to get hyped just to be disappointed. Just reveal the damn thing already Nintendo

Agreed. At this point my hype is non-existent.

 

[Zalman]

This isn't about rushing games. It's about being able to release one piece of software and more easily put it on both devices.

 

[Bots are better than you]

This isn't about rushing games. It's about being able to release one piece of software and more easily put it on both devices.

Yup, i made a nice post about this (i think it was nice ._.) as an answer to one of Shiggy's post, though it went under i guess.

 

[Davey Cakes]

Yup, i made a nice post about this (i think it was nice ._.) as an answer to one of Shiggy's post, though it went under i guess.

It's such a good and sensible idea. Giving people options instead of having to own both the handheld and console.

I mean, can you imagine if the Wii U, with its already strong Nintendo lineup, also had a bunch of the 3DS's heavy-hitters? That'd be crazy awesome and I'm not one to say "crazy awesome" very often.

 

[BodiesWithoutOrgans]

NX THIS NX THAT

show it to me already ugh!

 

[Xion_Stellar]

We will have to see but after the stunt they pulled with the 3DS price drop lest than 1/2 a year after it launched (With the launch game drought not helping matters) I certainly learned my lesson and won't ever buy Nintendo Hardware Day 1 again.

How things shape out 1 year later is a mystery but I still got the PS4K and NX Handheld coming up before than so I'm not in a rush to buy the NX Console.

 

[Skittzo0413]

See I think it could've been on the original Wii with IR aiming.

Well the Wii U is compatible with Wiimotes so it could've easily worked that way!

It's the other way around. I want everything to be portable, so I hope I get that with NX

Right, that's the other part of the shared library theory which is smart- let everyone play the games they want how they want. I personally wasn't a big fan of the 3DS controls or the size of that screen, but I'm sure plenty of people preferred it to the Wii U gamepad for instance.

 

[Shauni]

She might've. But she noted just recently that in 2011 she was a lot greener, and since then she has become a lot more careful and confident in what she posts. Nowadays it's hard to think of anything in recent memory she's got wrong.

She got it wrong that NOA wouldn't be publishing Devil's Third. I think she tried to backpedal on that and other 'sources' said it was true at one time, but I don't think it was ever true and a lot of other sources just played off her. So she's definitely not 100% accurate from what I've seen.

 

[varkuriru]

Finally a proper sequel to Paper Mario TTYD ;p

 

[Bots are better than you]

It's such a good and sensible idea. Giving people options instead of having to own both the handheld and console.

I mean, can you imagine if the Wii U, with its already strong Nintendo lineup, also had a bunch of the 3DS's heavy-hitters? That'd be crazy awesome and I'm not one to say "crazy awesome" very often.

I'm pretty sure that not every game of the handheld device will be playable on console and vice versa (*cough*Gamefreak*cough*), but it could really be a good way of working against droughts, or at least against big droughts.

 

[evilromero]

Finally a new F-Zero confirmed

And Excite Truck!

 

[Omegasquash]

I really hope Verendus tease of FFVI pans out , how hype would it be for this to be at E3?

I was reading through the thread and this stopped everything.

1) This image is my new favorite thing on the internet.

2) What is this about FFVI? Anything? Anything at all? Please?

 

[Haganeren]

This isn't about rushing games. It's about being able to release one piece of software and more easily put it on both devices.

Not neccessarly. I mean, yes it's about that but we can wonder if it also mean being able to being faster in development for more "big" entry. I don't think Nintendo will ever released a "rushed" game by nowaday definition (I mean, Mario Sunshine/Wind Waker were rushed but they were still very good on their own right and don't have horrible bugs like Assassin's Creed Unity).

I'm just worried we will see the same New Super Mario Bros formula each year maybe with ZElda, or F Zero, or Metroid, or whatever... Or see them experiment less...
And i don't like that too much.

But i will survive i guess, just a minor complain, i'm very eager to see it !

 

[Plinko]

What's there to get excited about? This sounds like nintendos finally caught on to the fact that they can just release games incomplete or broken and patch them (or not) later like every other publishers been doing since last gen.

LOL I have zero idea how you could take that from the blog post.

 

[MK_768]

It's such a good and sensible idea. Giving people options instead of having to own both the handheld and console.

I mean, can you imagine if the Wii U, with its already strong Nintendo lineup, also had a bunch of the 3DS's heavy-hitters? That'd be crazy awesome and I'm not one to say "crazy awesome" very often.

1. You don't have to own both. Is this a gamer thing because I see people saying this about these new iterations of the PS4 and XB1 and it baffles me. Not criticizing, just very curious about the sentiment.

2. I don't think thats good business. If he home console gets all of the games for the handheld then what's the incentive to get the handheld. Same if vice-versa.

 

[KTO]

How does it sound like this at all?!

It sounds like marketing speak for reduced oversight and quality checking which NOA and NOE are both notoriously stymied by. The massive oversight is one of the most commonly cited reasons for nintendo's slow output but radically changing the way they develop games doesn't make it sound like its going to be a gradual rollback.

 

[georly]

Well the Wii U is compatible with Wiimotes so it could've easily worked that way!



Right, that's the other part of the shared library theory which is smart- let everyone play the games they want how they want. I personally wasn't a big fan of the 3DS controls or the size of that screen, but I'm sure plenty of people preferred it to the Wii U gamepad for instance.

Not just preference for one or the other for which you buy, but also preference for which system you want to play at any given time. I play 3DS in bed right before i go to sleep but play console in the morning/afternoon. If I can play the same game on both, that would be fantastic.

2. I don't think thats good business. If he home console gets all of the games for the handheld then what's the incentive to get the handheld. Same if vice-versa.

So that you can choose how/when you play each game. Also, if you have a family and your kids play the handheld or you play the console or vice versa - this way you aren't buying games twice, or you can each play the same game at different times (mario maker, for example).

Also, don't forget, the bulk of profits come from software sales, not hardware. If games work on both systems, people will have to look at NX console + portable as the 'install base' for the system when thinking about porting games to it.


I think next gen there will be zero dedicated handheld competition for nintendo, so NX portable will thrive. If portable games ALSO work on console, then you're increasing console's library by an order of magnitude. If 3rd party devs only want to make NX games BECAUSE of the handheld's popularity, then the console would benefit from that. 3DS did really well last gen w/ JP pubs putting a ton of JRPGs and other games on it. Now imagine all of those also work on console? Now someone who would never ever buy a handheld can play those same games without having to buy a system he/she would never buy anyway. You're increasing software sales by a ton.

 

[Oersted]

How got something positive twisted in something negative so fast like rushed games and whatnot?

 

[Jigolo]

2 smash games in one generation would be a dream come true

 

[Anth0ny]

How got something positive twisted in something negative so fast like rushed games and whatnot?

usually when something sounds too good to be true, it is too good to be true.

in a perfect world, the quality and polish of nintendo's first party games will not drop if they decide to increase the output. but we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Oppo]

I don't understand how she can qualify this as "not fan wishes or blind optimism" and then goes on to use a lot of words to say extremely little about what Nintendo is doing, just a bunch of hand-wavy targets. then says this E3 will definitely be great.

whatever. we'll see.

 

[NahaNago]

the only excitement i have is seeing the possible handheld jrpg's coming to console. We haven't really seen any big changes outside of consolidating how they make games in the last 2 years so i don't really see a major change in software but simply the combining of software to handheld and console. I was originally hoping that they were going to try a whole bunch of new things like possibly making rated M games or go outside of the usual family friendly Nintendo route but i honestly don't see that happening. At this point i'm simply numb to their output since most of the games that come to the Nintendo systems that i like are third party games and primarily atlus.

 

[MK_768]

She got it wrong that NOA wouldn't be publishing Devil's Third. I think she tried to backpedal on that and other 'sources' said it was true at one time, but I don't think it was ever true and a lot of other sources just played off her. So she's definitely not 100% accurate from what I've seen.

Did she though? Wasn't it Liam Robertson, Unseen 64, and Silicornera who said that. She later said that NOA was considering XSEED.

I dont remember Emily being the one behind the rumors at first. She only defended Liam and them after NOA said they were publishing it

 

[georly]

usually when something sounds too good to be true, it is too good to be true.

in a perfect world, the quality and polish of nintendo's first party games will not drop if they decide to increase the output. but we'll just have to wait and see.

The wii u gen was a way for the veteran nintendo devs to train new, younger up-and-coming devs. Hopefully we see some of those newer devs make a name for themselves w/ the NX.

She got it wrong that NOA wouldn't be publishing Devil's Third. I think she tried to backpedal on that and other 'sources' said it was true at one time, but I don't think it was ever true and a lot of other sources just played off her. So she's definitely not 100% accurate from what I've seen.

You do realize plans can change, right? Remember how long it took for DT to have its publisher announced?

So nothing new huh? Just sources saying "everything will be great!" and no details as to...why it will be great? All coming from a wordpress blog with 2 posts on it.

From emily rogers, yeah, who has been reliable in the past. Always a rumor, always take w/ a grain of salt, but she has a mostly positive track record with seemingly reliable sources.

 

[theecakee]

So nothing new huh? Just sources saying "everything will be great!" and no details as to...why it will be great? Like names of games, how 1st parties are improving? All coming from a wordpress blog with 2 posts on it.

 

[RobFox64tm]

I've probably been one of the most vocal people when it comes to the "you buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games" defense. However, and as much as I love my Wii U, it was just sad how much the system was ignored on the market. Nintendo needs third parties now more than ever. I'm not equating this rumor to the NX not getting that support, of course, but I feel like it does need to be said.

Nintendo needs to be smart in showing this system off for the first time, and they need to make sure they are showing the right software with it. With Wii U, we only saw a 2D Mario game, Nintendo Land and third party software that was one year (or more) old. They can't hold back with NX in the same way; we need to see the big stuff at E3. If the Square-Enix rumors about Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest coming to NX are true, they need to show it. If the Beyond Good & Evil 2 rumor is true, they need to show it. If THIS rumor is true, Nintendo has to double down on premier trailers and show as much of their stuff off as they can.

Nintendo can't pussyfoot around this time. They need to get gamers excited and give them a reason to pick up the NX over upgrading to the newer versions of PS4 and XBOX, or the many VR options that will also be available.

 

[Piscus]

Gotta love the kinds of response that anything Nintendo related bring out. Especially if it's something potentially positive.

 

[MK_768]

So that you can choose how/when you play each game. Also, if you have a family and your kids play the handheld or you play the console or vice versa - this way you aren't buying games twice, or you can each play the same game at different times (mario maker, for example).

Also, don't forget, the bulk of profits come from software sales, not hardware. If games work on both systems, people will have to look at NX console + portable as the 'install base' for the system when thinking about porting games to it.


I think next gen there will be zero dedicated handheld competition for nintendo, so NX portable will thrive. If portable games ALSO work on console, then you're increasing console's library by an order of magnitude. If 3rd party devs only want to make NX games BECAUSE of the handheld's popularity, then the console would benefit from that. 3DS did really well last gen w/ JP pubs putting a ton of JRPGs and other games on it. Now imagine all of those also work on console? Now someone who would never ever buy a handheld can play those same games without having to buy a system he/she would never buy anyway. You're increasing software sales by a ton.

Hmm. I see what you are saying. I guess I'm just ignorant on this lol.

 

[georly]

Gotta love the kinds of response that anything Nintendo related bring out. Especially if it's something potentially positive.

I think it's that it is 'cool to be cynical', that was you can be all smug when it turns out wrong and you get to say 'told you so' and quote yourself.

No real negative consequences if the rumor turns out to be true, because everyone's happy that it's true. It's a way of playing it safe and feeling good about yourself.

 

[Oersted]

usually when something sounds too good to be true, it is too good to be true.

in a perfect world, the quality and polish of nintendo's first party games will not drop if they decide to increase the output. but we'll just have to wait and see.

How does easier to develop for plattforms translate into less polish?

Sorry, I really can't follow to that conclusion.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Hopefully it's true but I can't help but be reminded of the Wii U rumors before launch.

 

[Shauni]

Did she though? Wasn't it Liam Robertson, Unseen 64, and Silicornera who said that. She later said that NOA was considering XSEED.

I dont remember Emily being the one behind the rumors at first. She only defended Liam and them after NOA said they were publishing it

Pretty sure she was the one who first started the rumors. At least, she was one I remember people posting about it originally. I actually seem to remember she was the one who said NOA had dropped and then others started up about the XSEED thing. Of course, I could be misremembering, it has been a while now.

You do realize plans can change, right? Remember how long it took for DT to have its publisher announced?

Possible, but I doubt it was likely in that short of time. Most likely she was just mistaken and many others played off her sources.

 

[foltzie1]

Hopefully it's true but I can't help but be reminded of the Wii U rumors before launch.

They turned sour near launch.

 

[Shiggy]

She got it wrong that NOA wouldn't be publishing Devil's Third. I think she tried to backpedal on that and other 'sources' said it was true at one time, but I don't think it was ever true and a lot of other sources just played off her. So she's definitely not 100% accurate from what I've seen.

She said that too. But based on the long lack of any release information, the late US release, the information that NoA was in talks with a third party to bring it over from multiple, reliable sources who also got the new Paper Mario right, it's more likely that it was indeed the case that NoA did not intend to publish the game at some point.

 

[georly]

Hopefully it's true but I can't help but be reminded of the Wii U rumors before launch.

Yeah, wii u had similar rumors, but there is a key difference this time around (which may or may not pan out) and that's that Iwata talked about merging console and handheld divisions to help streamline game development. There is a recent history of nintendo actively looking at their recent failures and coming up with processes to help streamline that. This is not something you could have said around wii U launch, because this process had not started. It is a fact that nintendo has reorganized internally and has plans of unifying their ecosystem, which they never did before.

Will it pan out? Who knows! At least we have more of a reason to be optimistic due to nintendo's recent reorganization. That's the key difference between now and 2011/2012.

Possible, but I doubt it was likely in that short of time. Most likely she was just mistaken and many others played off her sources.

Always possible. Hard to say, but there are a variety of things that could have happened. I don't think one or two minor bits of misinformation or things changing are enough to discredit her. I believe both her and liam have legitimate sources within nintendo (or a nintendo partner) who likely work at or with NOE. Who knows where that source is getting the info from, either.

 

[MK_768]

usually when something sounds too good to be true, it is too good to be true.

in a perfect world, the quality and polish of nintendo's first party games will not drop if they decide to increase the output. but we'll just have to wait and see.

They can increase output if they shifted Wii U games to NX which we know they are doing. Also, we know several of their teams have largely been silent the last couple years.

 

[Rodin]

To the people complaining that this means more rushed small games, think about Kid Icarus: Uprising on the 3DS, and imagine if that came out for the Wii U also.

When I was playing that on the cramped 3DS controls with the tiny screen, I kept thinking why the hell aren't they porting this to Wii U, it would look and control SO much better. I think Emily is suggesting that the shared library concept (whether fully shared or not) will allow more games like this to make it to all of the versions of NX, and that sounds pretty smart in my opinion.

Not only that, but maybe Nintendo will feel more confident in releasing more new IPs (especially after Splatoon) and games we haven't seen in a while knowing that they can sell them on two platforms. Think all the F-Zero, Wave Race, Excite Truck, 1080, Wario, Advance Wars, etc, or even IPs like Star Fox, Kid Icarus and Metroid. Actually, even games like Yoshi and Kirby can take more risks with their formulas (i really, really want these two series to become 3D platform-adventures) thanks to the shared library concept.

 

[_Ryo_]

I don't know. Are they just gonna do a bunch of ports and call it the best first party support of any Nintendo console? It would be technically true but kind of uninspired so I hope there are more new games than ports of 3ds's and Wii U's old games.

 

[takriel]

They can increase output if they shifted Wii U games to NX which we know they are doing. Also, we know several of their teams have largely been silent the last couple years.

But it was exactly the same with Wii U. Many teams should have had their games ready during the launch window, and we all saw how that turned out.

 

[georly]

Not only that, but maybe Nintendo will feel more confident in releasing more new IPs (especially after Splatoon) and games we haven't seen in a while knowing that they can sell them on two platforms. Think all the F-Zero, Wave Race, Excite Truck, 1080, Wario, Advance Wars, etc, or even IPs like Star Fox, Kid Icarus and Metroid. Actually, even games like Yoshi and Kirby can take more risks with their formulas (i really, really want these two series to become 3D platform-adventures) thanks to the shared library concept.

Yeah, my dream is that nintendo keep making 2D/3D mario/zelda internally, then does nothing else but new IP while loaning out all of their old IP to other studios (first party or third).

 

[Mpl90]

But it was exactly the same with Wii U. Many teams should have had their games ready during the launch window, and we all saw how that turned out.

We're forgetting a little something called 3DS back in 2011-2012. That caused a major resources shift in order to boost quickly the handheld's sales, thus lower Wii U resources than forecasted.

 

[Zebei]

This being real would be the coolest thing. Don't have to worry about having a "shitty library" when you have a huge amount of games.


I don't care about specs or gimmicks as long as the games are good so this is a perfect rumor for me. Too bad "Nintendo" and "perfect" tend not to go well. Still hopeful though I guess

Multiple unannounced Wii U projects were moved over to NX.

I feel like this was a given TBH

 

[Anth0ny]

How does easier to develop for plattforms translate into less polish?

Sorry, I really can't follow to that conclusion.

I'm reading the OP, and this is what I see:

The big fundamental focal point (and overall goal) behind NX is to vastly increase the software output from Nintendo’s first party teams and studios.

To accomplish this, the entire process of how Nintendo develops and produces software has gone through radical changes.

There is a new strategy that was put in place to create and release first party software at a faster rate.

Where are you reading "easier to develop for"? While I hope that's true, how do we know this isn't just the new leadership telling everyone in the company "We need a new 3D Mario every year. We need a new Zelda every two years." etc

We know the handheld teams and console teams came together... last year? Two years ago? I always figured that was a move for the next platform in order to produce games quicker.

Assuming the thing is cross compatible with the handheld, this isn't as bad as it sounds. Instead of 3D Land in 2011 and 3D World in 2013, we get two 3D Marios for NX. At least that's how I'm hoping it'll go.

 

[khaaan]

I'm looking forward to it but I'm done being excited or interested in rumors now. I want to see the dang thing.

 

[what-ok]

I was reading through the thread and this stopped everything.

1) This image is my new favorite thing on the internet.

2) What is this about FFVI? Anything? Anything at all? Please?

WHAT!? I would cry.

Spoiler

Well not really.

 

[MK_768]

But it was exactly the same with Wii U. Many teams should have had their games ready during the launch window, and we all saw how that turned out.

Wii U was different and they said that. Moving into HD was a challenge for them. But also Nintendo had the 3DS to work on. At the end of Wiis life, Nintendo was trying to save the 3DS from being a disaster. Dev teams were working on that. Mario 3D team, for one, was working on 3D Land. There last game was Captain Toad and I don't even think the whole team worked on that.

So no it's not exactly the same.