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Starting to care less and less about dating as time goes on. I'd rather build a fun social life first (easier said than done, eh). Putting the cart before the horse here. Reaching a mindset of apathy about the whole thing, which is good I guess. Girl on OkCupid I'm talking to is at university so can't meet me until mid May. My reaction mentally- 'meh,ok'.

About going to bars/clubs, I know nobody near me who wants to do that kind of thing, everyone I've met basically lives to work, basically. Talking to a bunch of people I meet at volunteering, I ask what hobbies they have and they reply that they don't have time for hobbies anymore, and they work most of the time. Taking a working holiday and staying in a hostel in Australia where I know nobody, essentially starting all over sounds more and more appealing. Ironically I worry about being boring only to find people who don't do much with their time either xD

Why can't she meet until mid May? Is it too far away? Convent Uni for nuns? Weird how so many people post this that they can't meet so and so from uni/college until X. We've all been to uni, if you want to meet someone, you meet them. There's no schedule to these things.

I met someone two days before my last year exams because I needed a break from the relentless studying. Everyone does eventually...
 
Having difficulties with my girlfriend. I assume it's going to end, so let this be a cautionary tale. Despite how much I care for her, it seems that I don't act wholly comfortable around her; she's done so much to let me in -- I've met her parents and her best friends, and we're supposed to celebrate Pesach this weekend.

She's supposed to be my best friend, but because she's said some one-off, unkind (but not untrue) comments before, I've gotten defensive. It's impacted everything.

I don't know if there's an opportunity to salvage this, but I'm going to leave you with this: everyone's afraid of getting hurt. Don't go overboard. It just makes things so much worse.

On that note -- as much as I want to open up to this woman, how can I do so in a convincing manner? I want to; I also want to make sure that my words and body follow suit.
 
Having difficulties with my girlfriend. I assume it's going to end, so let this be a cautionary tale. Despite how much I care for her, it seems that I don't act wholly comfortable around her; she's done so much to let me in -- I've met her parents and her best friends, and we're supposed to celebrate Pesach this weekend.

She's supposed to be my best friend, but because she's said some one-off, unkind (but not untrue) comments before, I've gotten defensive. It's impacted everything.

I don't know if there's an opportunity to salvage this, but I'm going to leave you with this: everyone's afraid of getting hurt. Don't go overboard. It just makes things so much worse.

On that note -- as much as I want to open up to this woman, how can I do so in a convincing manner? I want to; I also want to make sure that my words and body follow suit.

Why do you assume it's going to end? I don't really get what you're describing. How long have you been together? It sounds short by the way you describe things, but it sounds long when you say you're her best friend. There are tons of people that take criticism and unkind comments, but that's not something that topples a strong relationship. It's not a reason for a relationship to end. Of course, if you're unable to open up, then that isn't going to change than if you.. well.. open up. Everyone's afraid of getting hurt? Well, yes, that's being human. What is it that you're afraid of, and why isn't that something the two of you work on together, rather than that being something that's pushing you apart?

You're asking how you can open up to her? Well.. you open up to her. You start talking about that one thing you haven't been able to talk about, and believe me, that is honest enough in itself. Why do you worry about it being "convincing"?
 
Having difficulties with my girlfriend. I assume it's going to end, so let this be a cautionary tale. Despite how much I care for her, it seems that I don't act wholly comfortable around her; she's done so much to let me in -- I've met her parents and her best friends, and we're supposed to celebrate Pesach this weekend.

She's supposed to be my best friend, but because she's said some one-off, unkind (but not untrue) comments before, I've gotten defensive. It's impacted everything.

I don't know if there's an opportunity to salvage this, but I'm going to leave you with this: everyone's afraid of getting hurt. Don't go overboard. It just makes things so much worse.

On that note -- as much as I want to open up to this woman, how can I do so in a convincing manner? I want to; I also want to make sure that my words and body follow suit.

Without knowing the context of those one off - honest but possibly hurtful interactions it's hard to give good advice. However she seems to really trust you. So the relationship is very salvageable and sounds healthy. Assuming nothing untoward happened when you fought. If you think it might be toxic. Break up with her. That's your game over. There are billions of other women on the planet that you can potentially have a happy healthy relationship with.

When opening up to a person remember it's like an RPG. There are levels. You don't start level 1 with the godlike powers you will eventually have at the end of the game. If you are unsure start at level 1. And remember healthy communication involves as much listening as it does talking.
Level 1. Honestly compliment her when you see her. Tell her how she makes you feel. (In a non sappy/clingy way) it's good communication and she will appreciate the compliments.
Level 2. Share things that you love with her, a favourite book, movie, TV show, Cafe, bar, sightseeing spot ect.
Level 3 if it's going well share something that most people wouldn't know about you. Nothing that's a secret, just something that she wouldn't expect.
Level 4. Share something in confidence. Something that you would prefer she not tell anyone but you'd be ok if she did.
Level 5 you have trust and can start sharing deeply personal things that you wouldn't tell almost anyone.
 
When opening up to a person remember it's like an RPG. There are levels. You don't start level 1 with the godlike powers you will eventually have at the end of the game. If you are unsure start at level 1. And remember healthy communication involves as much listening as it does talking.
Level 1. Honestly compliment her when you see her. Tell her how she makes you feel. (In a non sappy/clingy way) it's good communication and she will appreciate the compliments.
Level 2. Share things that you love with her, a favourite book, movie, TV show, Cafe, bar, sightseeing spot ect.
Level 3 if it's going well share something that most people wouldn't know about you. Nothing that's a secret, just something that she wouldn't expect.
Level 4. Share something in confidence. Something that you would prefer she not tell anyone but you'd be ok if she did.
Level 5 you have trust and can start sharing deeply personal things that you wouldn't tell almost anyone.


There are no levels to trust. Trust is something you gain in various people at various speeds. The first day I met my now fiancee, she ended up telling me more about herself than she had ever told anyone, basically skipping all these steps. She's not a person that just throws that stuff around, but with me, she just felt she could trust me. We're also talking here about a well-established girlfriend. We're all people, we're all able to know how to interact and trust people without it being like an RPG. Compliments also do not go hand in hand with trust. It seems backward putting like levels like this.
 
GAF, once again I come to you for advice. I feel like total shit. This weekend I organised a rock show and a girl I hadn't seen in a long time to came to check the bands. My ex was also present. This ex hasn't been able to let me go for close to 5 years now. We have the same gang of friends. I've been very clear to her that we are through and that I want to move on. VERY clear. For several years. She refuses to believe me. I've come to dating-GAF for advice concerning her before. She has threatened with suicide, she has mentally destroyed me and made me feel guilty about everything I did. I've written off myself just so I wouldn't hurt her again. I've developed a fear of turning down girls and hurting people in general. All because of her. I went to see a therapist (still do) and I've made strides and feel a lot better now. No longer insecure, and I've been able to not write myself off in favor of somebody else lately.

Now, I've kissed other girls in her presence before, but I made sure she didn't see it 'cause I don't want her to lose her shit or get hurt. A friend told me that I should not adjust my behavior just to save her emotions, so if I want to kiss a girl while she's around, then I should do so without hiding it from her.

So that's what I did Saturday. I kissed this girl that I had not seen in a very long time while she saw it. Several times. It feels as if that was a total dick move on my behalf, and I feel like shit for it.

Was I wrong in kissing that girl while she could see it?

Wow. Sorry to break it to you but your friend is a textbook abusive asshole. Let's break this down

1. She hasn't been able to let you go. For 5 years. That's a long time to be clingy. You say you have moved on but you still socialise togeather regularly.
2. She has threatened self harm ( a classic form of manipulation) and you have fallen for it to the point where being around her makes you feel like shit.
3. she doesn't respect your personal boundaries or you as a person. You've been clear that you don't want to date her and she refuses your right to choose that.

Dude. You need to get away from this girl fast. She's not even your friend anymore and probably hasn't been for a while. She's just straight Toxic. Cut her out of your life as fast as you can, even if it means loosing a few friends it will be worth it long term. On Saturday you kissed a girl that you liked. You should feel awesome, and any true friend would support that.
 
There are no levels to trust. Trust is something you gain in various people at various speeds. The first day I met my now fiancee, she ended up telling me more about herself than she had ever told anyone, basically skipping all these steps. She's not a person that just throws that stuff around, but with me, she just felt she could trust me. We're also talking here about a well-established girlfriend. We're all people, we're all able to know how to interact and trust people without it being like an RPG. Compliments also do not go hand in hand with trust. It seems backward putting like levels like this.

Sorry for the double post. I get that trust is built at various speeds. I've had similar experiences to the one you and your fiancée have had. Though unfortunately nothing has worked out quite as well as your experience has.

I guess I was trying to point out guide posts and I'm a little weird so I compared it to an RPG, then layed out some simple guideposts for anyone unsure about how the process could look like. Saying be open, honest and communicate well seemed a little simplistic. Especially to someone who has said they have trouble articulating their feelings.

I also agree that compliments don't equal trust, but they can be a great barometer of relationship health. If you find that you can't honestly compliment your GF about anything over a reasonable period of time then that seems a sign of a relationship that is probably over.
 
I'm going to come across like a dick here, but if someone is threatening self harm if you leave them, let them do it.

Basically call their bluff. If they do it, they'll be able to get the help they clearly and desparately need and if they don't, you can walk away without it causing any worries/stress.
 
Having difficulties with my girlfriend. I assume it's going to end, so let this be a cautionary tale. Despite how much I care for her, it seems that I don't act wholly comfortable around her; she's done so much to let me in -- I've met her parents and her best friends, and we're supposed to celebrate Pesach this weekend.

She's supposed to be my best friend, but because she's said some one-off, unkind (but not untrue) comments before, I've gotten defensive. It's impacted everything.

I don't know if there's an opportunity to salvage this, but I'm going to leave you with this: everyone's afraid of getting hurt. Don't go overboard. It just makes things so much worse.

On that note -- as much as I want to open up to this woman, how can I do so in a convincing manner? I want to; I also want to make sure that my words and body follow suit.

I assume some of these unkind comments have to do with her outright telling you she wasn't sexually attracted to you or something? I think I remember you mentioning something along those lines several weeks ago, maybe longer.

I don't really know much about the details of your relationship. but I know from your past posts that you think this girl is a 10/10 in all aspects. And that you've put in a lot of effort to make this work: pushing yourself to get in better shape so she thinks you're more attractive, learning a whole new language so you can better connect with her family, etc. All of these things are great ways to better oneself - but maybe that intention for pursuing all of these things is a little warped? Maybe the pressure thats been put on your shoulders to be this awesome boyfriend to this "perfect" woman is creating this stress in the relationship, and contributing to your defensiveness. I get a "I think she's too good for me and I'll do whatever it takes not to lose her" vibe, in some regard.

It's just hard to honestly and completely open up with someone when you there's a dynamic present like the one I just outlined. Being vulnerable with someone you hold in very high regard can be difficult - especially when you've been criticized or hurt by them before.

And if I'm completely off-base, my mistake! Just some thoughts I had on the minimal info I've gathered from this Advocatus Diaboli Dating Arc, haha.
 
As a way to become interesting, I've decided to try getting into Muay Thai or something. I wanna take some kind of self-defense to work out and vent. I just wanna hit something. Only problem is that it'll probably be expensive and I can't afford to spend too much right now. I also took two semesters of Chinese a year ago and it was fun. I think I'd like to get into that again but again that'll probably cost money.
 
GAF, once again I come to you for advice. I feel like total shit. This weekend I organised a rock show and a girl I hadn't seen in a long time to came to check the bands. My ex was also present. This ex hasn't been able to let me go for close to 5 years now. We have the same gang of friends. I've been very clear to her that we are through and that I want to move on. VERY clear. For several years. She refuses to believe me. I've come to dating-GAF for advice concerning her before. She has threatened with suicide, she has mentally destroyed me and made me feel guilty about everything I did. I've written off myself just so I wouldn't hurt her again. I've developed a fear of turning down girls and hurting people in general. All because of her. I went to see a therapist (still do) and I've made strides and feel a lot better now. No longer insecure, and I've been able to not write myself off in favor of somebody else lately.

Now, I've kissed other girls in her presence before, but I made sure she didn't see it 'cause I don't want her to lose her shit or get hurt. A friend told me that I should not adjust my behavior just to save her emotions, so if I want to kiss a girl while she's around, then I should do so without hiding it from her.

So that's what I did Saturday. I kissed this girl that I had not seen in a very long time while she saw it. Several times. It feels as if that was a total dick move on my behalf, and I feel like shit for it.

Was I wrong in kissing that girl while she could see it?

You were not wrong. You should talk to your therapist about this. It might be best to get some distance from here, because while it isn't your responsibility to get that distance, you owe it to yourself to take care of yourself by not allowing herself to mean anything in your life. That's why you need to get the distance. She's apparently a person you shouldn't keep around. She manipulates you and you feel bad for kissing someone else in her presence. Five years after you broke up. You need the distance to allow yourself to let those thoughts subside.

Stumbled across this Vice article today. All I can say is that I hope most women aren't like the people featured here. Also kind of a PSA that male virginity has a real stigma attached to it. Those guys committed the sin of being clingy as fuck, but that doesn't excuse the women's attitude towards them. Would like to know what DatingAge thinks. Surprised that the author even has friends tbh. Some choice quotes here, won't post the actual article here because of NSFW drawing.

Just because an article is published doesn't mean it should necessarily hold any value. To anyone. Ever. Like this article. Remember that there are a lot of shitty people out there, and the author sounds like a peculiar brand of them. It is no surprise that she was completely turned off by the first guy, but it was not because he was a virgin. She wasn't creeped out by him finishing quick or anything, she was freaking out because he was "a stage five clinger" or whatever they say in Wedding Crashers. Anyone would be offput by that. That's not really that bad. What is bad is that she sort of justifies this shit by him being a virgin. They might be correlated, but it's a shitty thing to do. She thought she got herself some sex at the end of a night, but this guy read too much into that. That happens. But her reaction and attributing that to him being a virgin is ridiculous.

The second story is even worse. She sounds self-involved and seems to have issues attributing certain difficulties to the right entities in her life. There are many logical reasons why she might feel that way, but she attributes it to him being a virgin, which is backwards. Horrible article. It's really a dead give-away when "well-endowed" is considered equivalent with good sex. It's a sad and rather archaic view of sex and dicks. I'm sure she loves a big dick, but it does a disservice in painting it as what magically makes sex good. It is a big an issue as some feminist issues, and while I don't expect this girl to be of a caliber to even fight for women's issues, I would expect a certain form of consideration in her wording; albeit, I am not surprised it is lacking. Some girls don't like big dicks. I want that to be out there. Some girls do. And no matter what you prefer in size, size is so far from what's at the core of good sex. It's such an insipid comment that I feel a need to balance it out on a forum that has no connection to the original article. That's bad.

I met two awesome girls about 2 weeks ago.

A (we will call her A) is cute, amazing professional artist, great friends, support group, career/talent, personality.
problem is she doesnt do it for me sex wise. I have slept with her a couple times and its not been great, but literally everything else is amazing. She also smokes which may be killing my mojo.

R is very very attractive, has great taste and drive, has her shit together and our chemistry (whatever it is) is fantastic and the sex is some of the best i have had in the 20 some partners i have had in the past couple months.
Problem is she is still in school and her after school path is iffy, she is a bit younger.

They both are good fits for me for different reasons and im actually torn and really like both but dont want to lead either of them on, so think i should decide pretty soon.

if possible just becoming friends with A would be amazing.

A
Looks 7
Sex 6
Personality 9.75
Career/Drive 8

R
Looks 8.5
Sex 9.5
Personality 7
Career/Drive 5 (hasnt started yet)

Statistics like these don't matter. How good the sex is doesn't necessarily even say anything about anything relevant. This is love, the least objective of feelings. Let your feelings guide you, and talk rather about the way you feel about them, rather than how you rate them. I'm sure they wouldn't be happy if they found you were comparing them on the internet by reducing them to numbers.

I assume some of these unkind comments have to do with her outright telling you she wasn't sexually attracted to you or something? I think I remember you mentioning something along those lines several weeks ago, maybe longer.

I don't really know much about the details of your relationship. but I know from your past posts that you think this girl is a 10/10 in all aspects. And that you've put in a lot of effort to make this work: pushing yourself to get in better shape so she thinks you're more attractive, learning a whole new language so you can better connect with her family, etc. All of these things are great ways to better oneself - but maybe that intention for pursuing all of these things is a little warped? Maybe the pressure thats been put on your shoulders to be this awesome boyfriend to this "perfect" woman is creating this stress in the relationship, and contributing to your defensiveness. I get a "I think she's too good for me and I'll do whatever it takes not to lose her" vibe, in some regard.

It's just hard to honestly and completely open up with someone when you there's a dynamic present like the one I just outlined. Being vulnerable with someone you hold in very high regard can be difficult - especially when you've been criticized or hurt by them before.

And if I'm completely off-base, my mistake! Just some thoughts I had on the minimal info I've gathered from this Advocatus Diaboli Dating Arc, haha.

Thanks for shedding some light on the situation. It feels like a good assessment, especially since it explains some of the things he said.
 
How can someone have their shit together but still not be set up properly in terms of career?

Seems you're just adding things to justify choosing the person you've already subconsciously chosen.

And for the love of god, do not use a scoring system again. That has to be the most pathetic and embarrassing thing I've seen in here and there's been people writing songs for women who lead them on constantly and people talking via Tinder for months...
 
lol at the number rating system for those two women..jeeze




You already made your choice then, no?
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How can someone have their shit together but still not be set up properly in terms of career?

Seems you're just adding things to justify choosing the person you've already subconsciously chosen.

And for the love of god, do not use a scoring system again. That has to be the most pathetic and embarrassing thing I've seen in here and there's been people writing songs for women who lead them on constantly and people talking via Tinder for months...
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As a way to become interesting, I've decided to try getting into Muay Thai or something. I wanna take some kind of self-defense to work out and vent. I just wanna hit something. Only problem is that it'll probably be expensive and I can't afford to spend too much right now. I also took two semesters of Chinese a year ago and it was fun. I think I'd like to get into that again but again that'll probably cost money.

Download TanTan and make some friends to "practice" your Chinese with?

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Having difficulties with my girlfriend. I assume it's going to end, so let this be a cautionary tale. Despite how much I care for her, it seems that I don't act wholly comfortable around her; she's done so much to let me in -- I've met her parents and her best friends, and we're supposed to celebrate Pesach this weekend.

She's supposed to be my best friend, but because she's said some one-off, unkind (but not untrue) comments before, I've gotten defensive. It's impacted everything.

I don't know if there's an opportunity to salvage this, but I'm going to leave you with this: everyone's afraid of getting hurt. Don't go overboard. It just makes things so much worse.

On that note -- as much as I want to open up to this woman, how can I do so in a convincing manner? I want to; I also want to make sure that my words and body follow suit.

You're forgetting your own value! I had a girl the other day say I was "average" in every way, which was perfect for her, but hurtful for me. She was talking about dudes that had bods like Abercrombie models, etc. I fought back and told her the truth - I'm awesome in every way and haters can step to the left. She clarified that she wasn't being mean, but whatevs. I've got a top 2% IQ!

Yeah next time you drip the poutine into my mouth 😏

dripping intensifies
 
Wow. Sorry to break it to you but your friend is a textbook abusive asshole. Let's break this down

1. She hasn't been able to let you go. For 5 years. That's a long time to be clingy. You say you have moved on but you still socialise togeather regularly.
2. She has threatened self harm ( a classic form of manipulation) and you have fallen for it to the point where being around her makes you feel like shit.
3. she doesn't respect your personal boundaries or you as a person. You've been clear that you don't want to date her and she refuses your right to choose that.

Dude. You need to get away from this girl fast. She's not even your friend anymore and probably hasn't been for a while. She's just straight Toxic. Cut her out of your life as fast as you can, even if it means loosing a few friends it will be worth it long term. On Saturday you kissed a girl that you liked. You should feel awesome, and any true friend would support that.

We barely socialize. She just hangs around with two of my other best friends. It's all she's got left after she talked shit about everyone behind their backs just to make herself feel better (I guess). One of those guys has moved to Switzerland for more than a year and the other has my back since he saw what happened Saturday. I still have to tell him about the letter she sent me 2 days after in which she found it "disrespectful".

I don't want to see her, but my town is super small we see each regularly/too much. Hang around at the same bar, etc...

I'm coming to terms with the other stuff you mentioned. You are right. It's going to be hard, but there's no other way. She seems obsessed.

You were not wrong. You should talk to your therapist about this. It might be best to get some distance from here, because while it isn't your responsibility to get that distance, you owe it to yourself to take care of yourself by not allowing herself to mean anything in your life. That's why you need to get the distance. She's apparently a person you shouldn't keep around. She manipulates you and you feel bad for kissing someone else in her presence. Five years after you broke up. You need the distance to allow yourself to let those thoughts subside.

I'm seeing my therapist on Monday, and I've been burning to talk to her about this.


A heartfelt thanks to all of you for your honest replies! Genuinely made me feel better.
 
Statistics like these don't matter. How good the sex is doesn't necessarily even say anything about anything relevant. This is love, the least objective of feelings. Let your feelings guide you, and talk rather about the way you feel about them, rather than how you rate them. I'm sure they wouldn't be happy if they found you were comparing them on the internet by reducing them to numbers.

The numbers is crass way for sure.

I had another date with A and it went great until the sex and i couldnt barely even keep it up :/ never happened that way before. The smoking kiss was really throwing me for a loop. We talked about it and we planned another date and if it wasnt great again she told me "your awesome and we could be friends if we are not sexually compatible" We both know the sex isnt great and its damper on everything else if were to be romantic.

R actually asked me out on a date to a thing i have been wanting to go to forever. I am excited to see her again.
 
I assume some of these unkind comments have to do with her outright telling you she wasn't sexually attracted to you or something? I think I remember you mentioning something along those lines several weeks ago, maybe longer.

I don't really know much about the details of your relationship. but I know from your past posts that you think this girl is a 10/10 in all aspects. And that you've put in a lot of effort to make this work: pushing yourself to get in better shape so she thinks you're more attractive, learning a whole new language so you can better connect with her family, etc. All of these things are great ways to better oneself - but maybe that intention for pursuing all of these things is a little warped? Maybe the pressure thats been put on your shoulders to be this awesome boyfriend to this "perfect" woman is creating this stress in the relationship, and contributing to your defensiveness. I get a "I think she's too good for me and I'll do whatever it takes not to lose her" vibe, in some regard.

It's just hard to honestly and completely open up with someone when you there's a dynamic present like the one I just outlined. Being vulnerable with someone you hold in very high regard can be difficult - especially when you've been criticized or hurt by them before.

And if I'm completely off-base, my mistake! Just some thoughts I had on the minimal info I've gathered from this Advocatus Diaboli Dating Arc, haha.

You nailed every single aspect. I wasted most of yesterday being inside my own head, so to speak, and while I eventually reach a resolution to things, it sure is an annoying process. And you're right: the "I think she's too good for me" vibe could be there, even if I don't consciously think that's the case; there's something to be said for trying too hard. There's a fine line between wanting to be accommodating and compromising (and telling yourself, "Hey, if it doesn't work out, at least you're fitter and smarter") and doing too much, too soon.

It's funny, but after we had an argument/discussion the night before last, I felt like we reached a breaking point and I suddenly just stopped caring. Everything else that came afterwards felt like playing in OT or with the house's money, and it was natural.

Basically, the bolded part is spot on. I'm seeing her tonight, and I think the spell's broken. I'm awesome again. We'll see how it goes.
 
I'm going to give you some full-spectrum advice I wish someone had given me when I was your age. So, imagine 16-year-old AD -- we'll call him Addie, because of course he'd be named that. No fashion sense. Overweight. Really into video games, being a virgin, classical mythology, feeling smarter than everyone else, Dungeons & Dragons, and Ayn Rand. I have no idea if you're anything like Kid!Me, but let's hope not, because it takes a lot of effort to blossom into what your goal is: becoming a real human person.

Most people will tell you that high school doesn't matter. And it doesn't, except this is where most functioning adults learn to perfect lifelong skills, which is exactly what you're trying to do. Your goal isn't to peak at 16. Your goal is to be fucking amazing when you're 25+. Anyway, here goes:

(1): Learn how to cook. You'd be shocked and appalled how many adults can't cook for themselves, and when you eventually do invite a girl over to your apartment, I cannot stress enough how ridiculous a freezer full of Hot Pockets looks. This year, I went from complete moron to regularly cooking for my girlfriend. Cooking together is a fun activity.

(2): Learn how to be healthy. I used to eat an entire large pizza and, because it had mushrooms, I thought it was healthy. The fact that you're already exploring this now is laudable, because now's the time to make lifelong changes. If you want to lose weight, I suggest weightlifting, maybe something basic like StrongLifts 5x5. That, combined with healthy eating, will fix you, because weight management is a long-term commitment and needs to be sustained throughout your entire life.

(3): Get a hobby, or two, especially one that's universally accessible. Despite a lot of fedora-wearing misfits decrying small talk, it's everywhere, and it's the first stage of human interaction. Being able to talk basketball at my barbershop is actually convenient. Other hobbies are good too, especially when there's something you're passionate about. That requires trying new things all the fucking time.

I didn't know how much I'd enjoy cooking until I actually did it. Now I splurge on sous vide machines and Nutribullets, and I have actual spices. A year ago, it was Lean Pockets and Greek yogurt. Sad children blossom into sad adults without some course correction.

It's perfectly okay to have games as hobbies, but well-rounded, interesting people have more than that. They do more than that. Being able to "cross-train" is a useful Lifehack: I'm replaying Pokemon FireRed in Portuguese and I've played through several RPGs in Japanese and others in French. Being able to combine language practice with gaming has really benefited me.

(4): Travel, to some degree, as often as possible. Everyone's interesting stories happened elsewhere, whether it was Vegas, on a road trip, or in Europe. Vigilantly guard yourself against sameyness. You may fall into ruts. Don't let those ruts last too long.

(5): Make lists of what you need to accomplish. Include "self-improvement" goals on those lists. For me, right now, it's language study, "read one chapter of a book," and touch one job-related item each day. It's all about building good habits, and your goal is to make these things second nature.

(6): For conversation, just listen. You don't need a book (although How to Win Friends and Influence People wouldn't be bad), just the ability to listen empathetically. But here, read this summary and see what you think.

I think that covers things. Anyway, you're already caring about the long-term choices you're making, so I think you'll be all right. Focus on your education and remember that any growing you do now in high school (where nothing really matters except getting into college) will pay dividends later on. Good luck!

Oh my goodness that is an answer and a half. Ok so first things first surprisingly unlike many other teens I actually like to cook so don't really have to worry about that. Next eatung healthy huh... I guess I should start doing that... I usually just eat whatever I want and justify it by telling myself that "You are going to the gym so just enjoy yourself and take things at your own pace" but that's not good is it... Where do you guys think I should start? Third hobbies sure sounds nice I guess... Well all I really do is watch dramas and anime and some netflix on the side and play video games but other than that ehh maybe I'm fine with my current hobbies. As for travelling I'm honestly not that big of a fan of road trips and would prefer my trips on planes which may be pricey but sounds interesting I'll keep in mind. For the list of goals it seems interesting but I like to focus on bigger goals than like 5 small ones tbh but I'll give it a shot tomorrow since I don't have much going on tomorrow and as for that where do you think I should start? Ahh about conversations... I think I'm pretty anti-social so I have trouble when keeping up or even initiating conversations with other people honestly so like I don't even think I am able to get to that step if I can't even start one. And tbh small talk is hard for me(which is why I think I'm anti-social)... And on top of that I feel like I'm somebody who is hard to be approached. Like for example I sometimes talk to a group of guys in my computer science class and math class right? And every time I'm around them and somebody asks for help they never ask me... And you know how when popular guys ask not popular people for stuff? I never really get asked for stuff by other strangers/classmates which makes me wonder where I stand as for popularity honestly or am I really that hard to approach? I'm pretty sure more than a couple of girls have consistently flirted with me before and they seem popular... So is that why those guys are avoiding me? Even if it is true even other nerds(I'm a nerd too btw)( and nerd isn't an insult I'm really just too lazy to think of any other term) avoid me... So do you guys have any advice on how to be more approachable?



Well in any case thanks a lot for that advice man I really appreciate it!

Edit: oh and btw I'll get reading on that summary after I finish some hw
 
I'll actually give helpful advice now.

First, realize that a lot of us are in our 30's giving you advice. I have very little perspective on being a teenager anymore, but if you want to be a man, it should help.

Learn to make small talk. It's uncomfortable as fuck as first, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be much better off.

Learn to communicate well, whether it's on the Internet, during the aforementioned small talk, or with women that you like. The ability to sound intelligent, but down to earth, when communicating is a great skill. It will help you get jobs, get dates, and make high-quality friends.

You need to WANT to do all of that stuff you mentioned above. It sounds like you're totally content and don't want to change. If that's so, then there's nothing we can do to help you. But if you're ready to become a better person, Gaf has you covered. There's threads about nutrition, working out, handling your money, investing, finding jobs, and everything else. Just stay off of Gaming side :P
 
Guys I need your advice.

I’m back home after studying a semester abroad. There’s a girl I hung out with a lot last summer, and failed to make a move on, and I want to try my luck this time. Last time I saw her was about two months ago right after I got back, but just with friends around, then she left for a 6–week holiday. We agreed to meet when she’s back, and she shot me a message a few days ago.

So I suggested meeting at a park because the weather’s great, and at first she seemed enthusiastic. But when I asked about a specific day, she said she was busy without suggesting another time. I asked her when she’s free and her response was “hmm some day next week, I’m working at [café X] on the weekend (every weekend), you can drop in if you like!”

So really the ball’s in her court now to suggest a specific time when she’s free. I’ll just wait for her to follow up, but if she doesn’t, would you ask one more time?
As for the café, it’s on the opposite side of the city at a pretty remote location. I don’t really have a reason to be anywhere close. I don’t know, seems like something that’s cute in movies but may just look clingy in real life, and she probably doesn’t have much time to talk. On the other hand she suggested it. Would you go?

Before you tell me I’m completely friend–zoned (maybe I am) and should move on, I actually did, she’s the one who kept messaging me while I was abroad.
She’s also been complimenting me on random things like an article I wrote for our campus paper (she messaged me out of the blue for that) or getting my new (surprisingly pretty awesome) part–time–job. The last time we met (at an event on campus) she made some jokingly disappointed remark about why I hadn’t dressed up more. At this point I don’t know if there’s something there or if I’m just projecting.
 
She's messaging you because she's bored and she knows you'll respond.I'd step back and stop responding. Cutting off ties completely is something I'd recommend, but that's up to you.

Friend zone is neither here nor there and a ridiculous idea anyway, if she was interested in you, she would be willing to put that little bit more effort in to seeing you and see where things go.

Sounds like she's not...
 
I'll actually give helpful advice now.

First, realize that a lot of us are in our 30's giving you advice. I have very little perspective on being a teenager anymore, but if you want to be a man, it should help.

Learn to make small talk. It's uncomfortable as fuck as first, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be much better off.

Learn to communicate well, whether it's on the Internet, during the aforementioned small talk, or with women that you like. The ability to sound intelligent, but down to earth, when communicating is a great skill. It will help you get jobs, get dates, and make high-quality friends.

You need to WANT to do all of that stuff you mentioned above. It sounds like you're totally content and don't want to change. If that's so, then there's nothing we can do to help you. But if you're ready to become a better person, Gaf has you covered. There's threads about nutrition, working out, handling your money, investing, finding jobs, and everything else. Just stay off of Gaming side :P

Solid advice. Sounding intelligent is actually the key part here. You can't have too many Umms, mmm, hmm, etc in a conversation. I understand why some do it, but it really does make you sound stupid if you do it too much.

I'd recommend recording a conversation you have with yourself, or a very close friend if they are willing to help put see where to make improvements in that regard.
 
Guys question.
Do you ever get over your first real love?
It's been two years since I broke up with my ex of 4 years. And everytime I get a new girl after a few weeks /month she's in love with me but I don't feel it. I like her or whatever but I can't say I honestly love her... It's been this way for two years and I don't know how to get pass this. Help?
 
Guys question.
Do you ever get over your first real love?
It's been two years since I broke up with my ex of 4 years. And everytime I get a new girl after a few weeks /month she's in love with me but I don't feel it. I like her or whatever but I can't say I honestly love her... It's been this way for two years and I don't know how to get pass this. Help?

Your looking at it wrong. A first love isn't something to get over, because the personal growth you experienced over that time period will help define how you see relationships. It's where you learned how to be in a relationship that's not something you forget. However no singular experience would define your life in any other field so don't let it do so here. The great part about being in love is having someone to share things with and growing togeather as people.

How you feel about your current GF doesn't nessecarily have anything to do with your first GF. It just means the current girl you are dating ( or any of the girls you have dated over the past few years ) hasn't been someone you are in love with and that's OK. Sometimes you will love a person, or they will love you but the feelings won't be returned. It sucks for both parties but the best thing you can do is be honest with each other and keep looking for the right person.

Another thing to consider is that if you have dated a few women over the past few years and nothing has worked out there are probably a few glaringly obvious common factors. Hint: it's you. Keep trying new things and brooding your interests. You will enjoy the process and it will be a great way to meet women who are different to those you may have dated in the past
 
Your looking at it wrong. A first love isn't something to get over, because the personal growth you experienced over that time period will help define how you see relationships. It's where you learned how to be in a relationship that's not something you forget. However no singular experience would define your life in any other field so don't let it do so here. The great part about being in love is having someone to share things with and growing togeather as people.

How you feel about your current GF doesn't nessecarily have anything to do with your first GF. It just means the current girl you are dating ( or any of the girls you have dated over the past few years ) hasn't been someone you are in love with and that's OK. Sometimes you will love a person, or they will love you but the feelings won't be returned. It sucks for both parties but the best thing you can do is be honest with each other and keep looking for the right person.

Another thing to consider is that if you have dated a few women over the past few years and nothing has worked out there are probably a few glaringly obvious common factors. Hint: it's you. Keep trying new things and brooding your interests. You will enjoy the process and it will be a great way to meet women who are different to those you may have dated in the past


Thanks for taking the time to write this out.
Focusing on myself first instead of the girls is advice I've gotten a lot actually.

Maybe you're right and I've been distracting myself from the truth. That maybe I'm just not ready to be in a relationship at this point in my life. And that's why I don't really feel anything for these girls
 
Hey all,

So i went to a restaurant with my mom this evening for her birthday and we had a great time. A young lady there, a waitress brought us our food and that was that. As soon as i saw here i thought to myself..''damn, that's a nice lady.'' While we were eating i noticed that she glanced at me a few times while she was just waiting for customers. And when i paid for the food and we left, she said ''goodbye'' in a certain way. Of course it could all be in my head and that it's nothing, but i have a feeling the interest was mutual. Let's just call it that.

It's a fantastic place and definitely not too pricey, so i am gonna go there more often for a full meal or a quick bite. Let's say i see her again next time....what is a good way to break the ice? I am absolutely fucking terrible at small talk, i don't like it, but then who does? I just never really know what to say. My intention is to basically ask her out for a drink, but i can't just do that out of the blue. Chances are she won't even recognize me next time, so i have to say something, do something that no other regular customer would do. I just need some advice, never hurts to get some advice.

A friend of mine who is absolutely not shy in any way and VERY good with women, he would just say she's a damn fine lady and he'd like to get to know her better. But i definitely believe that it's important how you say things, and some things should just not be said if you know you're going to fail.
 
Hey all,

So i went to a restaurant with my mom this evening for her birthday and we had a great time. A young lady there, a waitress brought us our food and that was that. As soon as i saw here i thought to myself..''damn, that's a nice lady.'' While we were eating i noticed that she glanced at me a few times while she was just waiting for customers. And when i paid for the food and we left, she said ''goodbye'' in a certain way. Of course it could all be in my head and that it's nothing, but i have a feeling the interest was mutual. Let's just call it that.

It's a fantastic place and definitely not too pricey, so i am gonna go there more often for a full meal or a quick bite. Let's say i see her again next time....what is a good way to break the ice? I am absolutely fucking terrible at small talk, i don't like it, but then who does? I just never really know what to say. My intention is to basically ask her out for a drink, but i can't just do that out of the blue. Chances are she won't even recognize me next time, so i have to say something, do something that no other regular customer would do. I just need some advice, never hurts to get some advice.

A friend of mine who is absolutely not shy in any way and VERY good with women, he would just say she's a damn fine lady and he'd like to get to know her better. But i definitely believe that it's important how you say things, and some things should just not be said if you know you're going to fail.

My take on this is generally when a person is working they don't want to be hit on. I'd personally consider it rude unless they made it glaringly obvious they were into you. My recommendation would be to keep things cool and talk to her normally when she's serving you, try to get a conversation going and if she stops by to hang out, might not be a bad idea to ask for her number or leave yours along with a decent tip.
 
Hey all,

So i went to a restaurant
Just leave your number and make sure she knows it. She will contact you if interested. Asking someone out while they work might be inconvenient or uncomfortable for them. I've been hit on before by one lawyer at the office we both work at, was not fun in the slightest. Just for the simple reason that I was trying to get work done and convey a professional image at the same time.
 
Just leave your number and make sure she knows it. She will contact you if interested. Asking someone out while they work might be inconvenient or uncomfortable for them. I've been hit on before by one lawyer at the office we both work at, was not fun in the slightest. Just for the simple reason that I was trying to get work done and convey a professional image at the same time.

Yep, this is the only real way to do it for someone who's at work.
 
My take on this is generally when a person is working they don't want to be hit on. I'd personally consider it rude unless they made it glaringly obvious they were into you. My recommendation would be to keep things cool and talk to her normally when she's serving you, try to get a conversation going and if she stops by to hang out, might not be a bad idea to ask for her number or leave yours along with a decent tip.

Hmmm ok, i'm gonna have to come up with something interesting then. Maybe a complimentary comment about how much I enjoyed the food last time. But this has always been something i am bad at. It should go naturally and i shouldn't over think it too much.

If all else fails, i can still put a tip + note with phone number on the table and after i leave i'll briefly notify her that i have left her something.

Just leave your number and make sure she knows it. She will contact you if interested. Asking someone out while they work might be inconvenient or uncomfortable for them. I've been hit on before by one lawyer at the office we both work at, was not fun in the slightest. Just for the simple reason that I was trying to get work done and convey a professional image at the same time.

Yeah i can see where you're coming from. So basically leave a note with my number and me asking if maybe sometime she'd like to go for a drink?
 
I went on a Saturday night dinner and drinks 2nd date and it went really well except for the end (I think). The conversation was great and we hung out for over four hours. I suggested we to a club but she said she was tired and we can take a walk so we did. We ended up holing hands throughout the walk. In the middle of the walk I went for a kiss and she said she is not comfortable kissing in public. I walked her to the car and I got a peck on the lips and she said we should do this again. After she left I was wondering if I should've said why don't we go some place private and If I blew my chance of taking her home when she said she doesn't kiss in public. Im wondering if I'm overthinking this.
 
The only constant in this thread is overthinking.

Yup. Once I truly let go, things became so much easier. Last night was a continuation of the last turning point with my girlfriend. It's like night and day now. Object lesson, I guess: if you're overthinking things and not communicating them, your body's going to display incongruous emotions unless you're one hell of a poker player. Which I'm not.
 
To me, the fact that you two held hands is a good sign. Also that she was the one that said you two should do that again...man that sounds good to me. Don't regret things, there's always next time and there will be one, that much is clear. :)
 
damn....being ghosted sucks, after almost a month of where i though things were going well and then just nothing. don't get how someone could just do that to another person, if your not feeling it, say something, its not that fucking hard

needed to vent
 
damn....being ghosted sucks, after almost a month of where i though things were going well and then just nothing. don't get how someone could just do that to another person, if your not feeling it, say something, its not that fucking hard

needed to vent
A month... That really sucks. You can take some solace in knowing that you dodged a POS.
 
damn....being ghosted sucks, after almost a month of where i though things were going well and then just nothing. don't get how someone could just do that to another person, if your not feeling it, say something, its not that fucking hard

needed to vent

Are you sure things were going well though? Maybe you were just seeing what you wanted to see?

Not trying to be a dick here, but ghosting after a month seems odd to me. A week, sure. A month? That seems a little odd. Maybe assess how things were really going, how the conversation was, were there any comfortability issues, any signs the other was pulling back but you didn't notice at the time.
 
A month... That really sucks. You can take some solace in knowing that you dodged a POS.

The worst thing is having that hope that she will reach out...fucking sucks, need to get over it but it still takes time

Are you sure things were going well though? Maybe you were just seeing what you wanted to see?

Not trying to be a dick here, but ghosting after a month seems odd to me. A week, sure. A month? That seems a little odd. Maybe assess how things were really going, how the conversation was, were there any comfortability issues, any signs the other was pulling back but you didn't notice at the time.

I have actually been thinking about that as well, first three weeks were fine but I definitely noticed something in the last week, her tone definitely changed but I put it down to the fact that she was stressed at work. Should have realised It then but might have already too late. I guess maybe because I felt so good about things, I failed to realise that she might have not been in the same place
 
I'm closing in on four months with this girl now. My first relationship that has lasted this long, so I'm in uncharter waters here. Is it weird that we've never fought over anything? Not even been a little upset? (Well okay, that's sort of a lie. She was slightly upset that I didn't come to her party with all her friends and I instead went for a glass with friends I went to a show with earlier that day. I just felt a bit uncomfortable with it, this was like a month into us dating) Everything is just super duper easy. Admittedly we haven't been tested in any way though. She has also been very understanding of my performance issues and they're kind of starting to wear off as a result, couldn't be happier about that. We've both met the other's closest friends, still no parents though. I'm sure that will happen soon.
 
I have actually been thinking about that as well, first three weeks were fine but I definitely noticed something in the last week, her tone definitely changed but I put it down to the fact that she was stressed at work. Should have realised It then but might have already too late. I guess maybe because I felt so good about things, I failed to realise that she might have not been in the same place

Stress at work doesn't usually translate into ghosting. I'd wager she met someone else and didn't know how to handle things or she simply lost those initial feelings she had.

Whatever the case, don't let this drag you down. Take a couple of days and get back out there. Don't keep thinking about what you could have done differently. It's done, it's time to process and move on.
 
I'm closing in on four months with this girl now. My first relationship that has lasted this long, so I'm in uncharter waters here. Is it weird that we've never fought over anything? Not even been a little upset? (Well okay, that's sort of a lie. She was slightly upset that I didn't come to her party with all her friends and I instead went for a glass with friends I went to a show with earlier that day. I just felt a bit uncomfortable with it, this was like a month into us dating) Everything is just super duper easy. Admittedly we haven't been tested in any way though. She has also been very understanding of my performance issues and they're kind of starting to wear off as a result, couldn't be happier about that. We've both met the other's closest friends, still no parents though. I'm sure that will happen soon.

I typically don't fight much (or at all) with my girlfriends. I'm pretty laid back about most things and that's the kind of girl I tend to seek longer term arrangements with so its normal for me.

That being said I'm having a few issues with a girl now, but it's not exactly a long term thing. Won't go into details but I'll be leaving this city soon; so that means we will end and so will the arguments.
 
I typically don't fight much (or at all) with my girlfriends. I'm pretty laid back about most things and that's the kind of girl I tend to seek longer term arrangements with so its normal for me.

I'm pretty much the same. Any time I've had arguments over some ridiculous and petty shit with exs, it's usually triggered a change in feelings and a served as motivation to move on.

You can't arguments all together, had one with my current girlfriend a few days ago but that was about something serious and we were able to sit down and talk it through after the initial anger had passed. That was actually my first ever adult argument in a relationship where it didn't force me to re-evaluate the relationship.
 
I typically don't fight much (or at all) with my girlfriends. I'm pretty laid back about most things and that's the kind of girl I tend to seek longer term arrangements with so its normal for me.

That being said I'm having a few issues with a girl now, but it's not exactly a long term thing. Won't go into details but I'll be leaving this city soon; so that means we will end and so will the arguments.

Take a shower, dammit
 
I'll actually give helpful advice now.

First, realize that a lot of us are in our 30's giving you advice. I have very little perspective on being a teenager anymore, but if you want to be a man, it should help.

Learn to make small talk. It's uncomfortable as fuck as first, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be much better off.

Learn to communicate well, whether it's on the Internet, during the aforementioned small talk, or with women that you like. The ability to sound intelligent, but down to earth, when communicating is a great skill. It will help you get jobs, get dates, and make high-quality friends.

You need to WANT to do all of that stuff you mentioned above. It sounds like you're totally content and don't want to change. If that's so, then there's nothing we can do to help you. But if you're ready to become a better person, Gaf has you covered. There's threads about nutrition, working out, handling your money, investing, finding jobs, and everything else. Just stay off of Gaming side :P

Staying off games...
While it is true that I'm really only doing this for a sort of a side thing and would choose games over real life 70% of the time when it would come down to it I think I have enough drive to where I can succeed tbh even if it is gonna take a while which I don't mind. What do you guys talk about when you have smalltalk with others that make you sound intelligent? Politics? News? Because honestly when I try and start small talk with others I bring up anime or games and since people aren't really familiar with not so mainstream jrpgs or anime the atmosphere dies so I think what I really need is knowledge on what's mainstream...

Oh and thanks for the advice you guys! I really do appreciate it
 
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