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I can see what you're saying, but it seems it isn't always the beste choice.
Looking at the past:
*Nintendo revealed the wiimote before e3 ->
Answer Sony: revealed a controller with tilt sensor movement at e3
*Nintendo revealed the wiiu gamepad before e3 ->
Answer Sony: revealed vita connection with ps3 at e3
Answer MS: revealed tablet connection with xbox at e3
DaSorcerer7
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This is one of the many mistakes nintendo made with the wii u. Big games like this need to be announced with the other consoles.
Father_Brain
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It doesn't matter because CoD and games of its ilk won't sell on NX, and most of them probably won't even come to the platform at all.
Let the dream die, folks.
A month isn't enough time to add a new feature like that... Also, what are you talking about? Wii U was revealed at E3 2011.
Then Nintendo has failed right out of the gate.
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Rösti
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Dr. Toto perhaps meant the press club (sometimes called press room) at the Osaka Stock Exchange, where Nintendo usually holds these news conferences. The press club I believe is connected to the TDnet (Timely Disclosure network): http://www.jpx.co.jp/equities/listing/tdnet/
If that is the venue it's a very simple room that you can see in images I have previously posted (the one where both Mr. Kimishima and a bunch of press members are seen). But I'll check if I can find additional photos.
Timely disclosures are listed here: https://www.release.tdnet.info/inbs/I_main_00.html
If that is the venue it's a very simple room that you can see in images I have previously posted (the one where both Mr. Kimishima and a bunch of press members are seen). But I'll check if I can find additional photos.
Timely disclosures are listed here: https://www.release.tdnet.info/inbs/I_main_00.html
They won't sell sure. But that doesn't stop them from at least throwing a test game or two at a new console regardless, especially if its easier to port to. Heck, even the Wii U got BO2 and Ghosts.
Then none of this matters and they shouldn't even bother with third-parties, right? Seriously, this is such a stupid, short-sighted way to think. "Nintendo, you don't even stand a chance of getting third-party support, so don't even try!" Why even bother making hardware in that case? They should be trying to change that. They shouldn't just accept it and move on, and if they do they should go completely to the other extreme and make a $99 console.
This type of attitude is how you guarantee that NX will be the flop of the century.
How is that a Nintendo mistake? The decision to announce that game is only in Activision's hands. Unless you're implying Nintendo needs to moneyhat third parties to get treated with equity...
Dark Cloud
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This is a bad post. Then why even bother to open your portfolio of games to attract more customers? Who cares if they all don't come? The point is you have them and you change your image so the kids at school can say "yeah call of duty is coming to the NX too!" The NX will get to be in more conversations with games like COD and Madden and FIFA...
DownGrader
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NX will include one of these:
Wii U pack-in HDMI cable is shit. Broke after two years of usage despite not being bent or pressed on.
Things break. Mine has been going strong.
Same here. I still have mine from my launch Wii U.
Buy a Monster cable next time. The guy at Best Buy told me that they're really good! He was in this thing called "Geek Squad" and geeks really know their stuff!
He means that Nintendo should at least announce their system if it's hitting this year. They already know that most fall games typically have announcements starting in may for reveal events for the big shooter games.
By the time Battlefield, Destiny, and Call of Duty had been formerly announced we already had eveneta showing off the PS4 and the One.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Not true.
Ubisoft revealed ZombiU, Just Dance WiiU, and even had an on-stage demo for Rayman Legends.
Edit: or are you referring to E3 2011?
Don't see how revealing name matters. If CoD is coming to NX, nintendo can tout it at E3. Activision doesn't have to reveal full platform list at CoD reveal. Especially not for a console that hasn't been formally announced yet.
Wouldn't be the first time CoD added platforms after reveal. http://kotaku.com/so-call-of-duty-ghosts-is-coming-to-wii-u-911249188
That was 2012. E3 reveal was 2011, nothing but tech demos (New super mario Mii, Zelda tech demo, game and wario minigames). I anticipate all 3rd party NX exclusive titles (if there are any) will be exclusive to a nintendo event (at least initially). We don't know nintendo's E3 plans yet. They can always do a reveal before other press conferences this year, if they want. Like i said, last year nintendo had a show on sunday, the nintendo world championships - it revealed federation force's soccer game and earthbound zero.
Yes, you're right, I don't like that either and part of the reason I want Nintendo to announce the NX before E3 is because that way third parties will (perhaps) be able to announce NX versions of their games at their own conferences. But in the case of Activision and CoD, IIRC they didn't confirm the Wii U version until a month or two before launch... far far away from that E3... And that's just s**ty and not Nintendo's fault, I believe. Maybe I'm wrong and I'm mixing things up, too much data on my brain...
Father_Brain
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Lemme just break down my logic here.
1. The 17-35 Western male demographic coveted by AAA third parties is already being exceptionally well served by Sony and MS.
2. Consequently, the only chance Nintendo has of making any real inroads with that demographic is with significant exclusive content targeting that demographic.
3. The only way to secure such content in time for NX launch would be if, several years ago, Nintendo had started investing massive amounts in first-party Western development well beyond the scope of their partnerships with the likes of Monster and NLG, and in moneyhatting third-parties.
4. In the past few years, I haven't seen a single rumor indicating that any such investments have been made, and it seems unlikely that they could keep such a huge sea change in their approach to Western development under wraps entirely for that long.
5. Consequently, I expect that NX, as with the last few Nintendo consoles, will have little to no exclusive content aimed at that demographic, and thus no real hope of making inroads into the Sony/MS market.
They have literally no chance of being considered as a credible alternative to Sony/MS if their advantages are limited to slightly better graphics and "our system has both CoD AND Mario on it!" Period.
Here's a wild thought... Why don't we wait and see what NX actually is before we make these assumptions? No, I don't expect these games to find the same success they do on Sony/MS platforms, but, perhaps, the NX might be a very compelling product that sees greater success than Wii U. These games could see some level of success that is satisfactory to both Nintendo and the publishers/developers that brought them over. I mean, the Wii had CoD titles that saw great success. One miserable failure(Wii U) doesn't mean they cannot change the tide with NX.
Yes, but the gamepad was leaked in may -> before e3
Davey Cakes
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My Wii U cable still works but is a bit finicky. Certainly not the greatest quality.
That said, I've found HDMI cables to be somewhat unreliable in general. I recently cheaped out on some Amazon cables to use with my PC and Wii U so I'll see if they're somehow better.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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The OP is broken, I don't see a countdown.
^This^
NX will include one of these:
Actually... It might not even need one of those.
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Rösti
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I believe we only have an estimate of time when the news conference will start. But I'll update the OP with a countdown in due time.
I will see to making a new thread about the news conference specifically should there be enough interest.
That doesn't solve the "quietly" issue.
So then they should go third-party, since their hardware serves no purpose and there's no way to fix that. That's what you're saying here.
Me? Imma wait and see what happens. If it's easy and cheap to port the games, they'll give it a chance. Wii U and Wii were not easy to port to, and ports were less common/necessary in generations prior. There's no comparable situation to speak of here.
Pure coincidence, or they knew about it beforehand.
Hmmm?
I have two that are still working perfectly, so it's obviously the best HDMI cable ever made.
Clearly.
All I was talking about was that it was foolish to consider that COD won't show up in any capacity.
If you want to talk about western 3rd parties in general, go ahead. I don't care for that conversation as it just becomes "nintendo doesn't care about 3rd parties" which becomes "nintendo should stop making consoles and just go 3rd party".
If they do it like last time, no. If they reveal it's coming to NX at e3, then it'll be fine. If it's put in NX ads it'll be fine.
There's also the possibility it doesn't come to NX. A bad move on Nintendo's part, but maybe they have no say in the matter. Either way, nintendo doesn't have to reveal it's name just so call of duty can throw NX at the bottom of the trailer next week. It's not as big of a deal as you seem to make it sound like.
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I crunched some numbers and if
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meaning "NX" must equal G. G-Spot.
...Name your sources Pinky!
No!!! I will not get my Uncle Tatsumi involved!!!
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Father_Brain
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I've made no secret of my opinion that their hardware business is probably fucked no matter what, but they have a much better chance (relatively speaking) of reviving it by doubling down on first-party software and whatever Japanese partnerships they can scrounge up than they do by trying to compete directly with Sony/MS for the Western core market.
Easier porting certainly won't hurt, but it's a passive thing. It's not a substitute for an actual answer when, say, Bethesda asks them what they're doing to actively cultivate an audience for the likes of Elder Scrolls VI on NX.
Gotta start somewhere, right? "Our system has both CoD AND Mario on it!" is still a much better starting point than "Our system has nothing but Mario on it!"
Then they should just have a handheld that connects to a TV and nothing more.
All that I know is that packing it in without even trying is how businesses slowly but surely die. The market has changed a lot since the GameCube days, and thus a similar approach may have a different outcome. It's true that multiplayer games don't stand much of a chance, but if someone has both a PS4 (base) and an NX, the NX is noticeably more powerful, and a Western single-player game is on both, why wouldn't they play the NX version? Trophies? Even with CoD though, NX version would surely sell the least but it can still be profitable and even break the million mark. It's worth trying from both Activision's and Nintendo's points of view, so long as there aren't any hurdles like there were for Wii and Wii U.
That's a funny example both for the reasons of what I said about single-player games and how it can be marketed to Zelda fans.
Countdown to a countdown being added to the OP.
I think that's a bit too much.
Like, a whole asylum of too much.
dreampeppers99
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same here
Skittzo0413
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Don't they have to announce their forecasts for the FY? At the very least, this will confirm whether NX is coming this FY or (god help us all) the next FY.
Also, depending on what those forecasts look like, they will have to justify those predictions in some way, so we may get some info on a broad selling point. That's definitely a more optimistic outcome though
Also, depending on what those forecasts look like, they will have to justify those predictions in some way, so we may get some info on a broad selling point. That's definitely a more optimistic outcome though
Squall5042
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I feel like people expecting an announcement of anything before E3 are setting themselves up for disappointment. And I'm as excited about NX as anyone.
I just decided that it's best not to pay any attention to him. He's obsessed with what he believes to be our obsession. Obsesseption. Braw.
Does anyone know what Kimishima has for breakfast on the morning of a FY Investor Meeting/Briefing/Q&A? If we can find out what he eats for breakfast, this could clue us in to what he may or may not say about NX. A few ingredients might even suggest the direction they're taking the next 3D Mario game. I'm just trying to be rationale here.
They're not. They've fundamentally reshaped their company structure to ensure they have an attractive product or family of products with plenty of content from day one - and after generations of failed attempts at getting western third parties to do part of the job they've realized a way to do it on their own. Western third parties may come, and may still be wooed by Nintendo, but now they're capable of succeeding independent of that.
LegendofLex
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Nintendo is going to give their forecasts for the new fiscal year this week.
If NX is coming out this fiscal year, the forecasts will reflect this.
Nintendo has already said in the past that this is the FY during which they will return to "Nintendo-like profits."
They'd be stupid to expect investors to believe their presumably really high and optimistic forecasts without explaining where the forecast revenues will come from.
Still going for the Nintendo Cereal System theory, I see.
I'm just saying that, if they're not going to even try to get Western third-party support, making a console is a waste of time and resources. The same applies to Japanese console support, so why bother? I think there's more that they can do than just accept defeat, and I don't think that having a backup plan prevents them from trying to fix their problems.
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Rösti
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Approximate countdown to Nintendo's 2015 Fiscal Year Earnings Release/News Conference:
This counts down to the market close of the JPX day session (15:15/03:15 PM JST). I do not know if the news conference will start right away, so allow for maybe half an hour to 45 minutes extra.
This counts down to the market close of the JPX day session (15:15/03:15 PM JST). I do not know if the news conference will start right away, so allow for maybe half an hour to 45 minutes extra.
Rösti;201922091 said:
Perfect! I saw the tweet. Thanks for hunting all this down.
Rösti;201924155 said:
I'd be interested in an "announcement-specific" thread! Since there are two sorts of briefings taking place, would it encompass both or one over the other? It seems worthwhile to contain all the different things that will come from those meetings and have a clean slate before we try again to figure out which Zelda is best! Plus, it seems different and specific enough compared to this thread which is announcing the FY beginning (in my opinion!).
...what do you know?!?
No!!! I will not get my Uncle Tatsumi involved!!!
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