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I'm in the market for a new TV and have been looking in the 60" range. I bought a Samsung 620D from Costco but ended up returning it because of the image. I noticed a problem when gaming where blacks and browns would blur badly when in motion. This is really noticeable in Binding of Isaac Rebirth and there's a constant motion trail behind Isaac, tears, and spiders/anything with a lot of black. Ended up with a Vizio E60-C3 and found it to be even worse.

My wife and I have decided to increase our purchase from around $1,000 to around $2,000 and we're currently looking for recommendations. Which 60" TVs in that price range in the US don't have the bad image blurring while gaming? We have a 47" LG that has worked very well for it and doesn't have this problem, but it's small for the space it's in.

Thank you for the recommendations.

EDIT: I've been looking at either the Samsung UN60JU6500FXZA or the Sony XBR65X810C. Does anyone here have any thoughts on these?
 
stlobus said:
I'm in the market for a new TV and have been looking in the 60" range. I bought a Samsung 620D from Costco but ended up returning it because of the image. I noticed a problem when gaming where blacks and browns would blur badly when in motion. This is really noticeable in Binding of Isaac Rebirth and there's a constant motion trail behind Isaac, tears, and spiders/anything with a lot of black. Ended up with a Vizio E60-C3 and found it to be even worse.

My wife and I have decided to increase our purchase from around $1,000 to around $2,000 and we're currently looking for recommendations. Which 60" TVs in that price range in the US don't have the bad image blurring while gaming? We have a 47" LG that has worked very well for it and doesn't have this problem, but it's small for the space it's in.

Thank you for the recommendations.

EDIT: I've been looking at either the Samsung UN60JU6500FXZA or the Sony XBR65X810C. Does anyone here have any thoughts on these?
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Although I cant' personally vouch for any TV's
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/60-inch/best?uxtv=9082
is a good place to start. The 2016 Vizio P series just came out as well and are some of the best LCD's and are cheaper than the competition. There's another thread in offtopic about it
 
Is it even worth buying a 4k HDTV now, if not necessary? From my perspective, it seems like the best move will be to wait a few product cycles until the HDTVs can hit Rec.2020.
 
Cross-posting this question from the VizioP thread since it is not necessarily set-specific:

I have a question about ARC. I get my new set tomorrow and I'm trying to figure out the ideal way to set it up so that I don't run into issues.

My old receiver only has HDMI 1.3 which I gather does not support ARC (introduced in 1.4), so I cannot have my consoles plugged into it and also have audio running back from the TV's built in apps.

However, what if I have all my devices plugged directly into the TV and only have audio running back to the receiver? Can I use the ARC port on the tv to send only audio and just plug it into any open HDMI port on the receiver? Or do I have to go optical?

Another user clarified what I am looking for:

His AVR is not ARC capable but what he is asking is if he tells the tv to send out audio through ARC over HDMI 1 and plug HDMI 1 into an input on his AVR ONLY for audio. I wondered myself if this trick could work.
I think it could technically but the problem is that you would need to tell your AVR to stay on that given input and not get messed up by the lack of any video data.
Basically no video data goes to or out of the AVR and only audio is received from the TV over HDMI 1.

All video and audio go straight to the TV but audio over ARC is sent to a regular (not ARC) hmdi input on the AVR for audio only
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So is this possible or is my solution in another castle?
 
Bonk said:
I have that one. It really is a great set! HDR looks fantastic and black level is great. You pay for it with some small problems (as with every set) but I am really fond of it.
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Awesome. I have an 8yo 50PZ850A Panny plasma and I'm starting to get the itch to upgrade. It really does seem that each set/brand has its own set of small "problems".

And I say "problems" cos if a professional reviewer had a look at my set I'm sure it'd have it's own problems too, yet I've been absolutely happy with it till now. After viewing my set for so long I've no doubt whatever I might buy now will be a revelation. I just think we nitpick a bit too much ;-)

In any case this new set from Panasonic is reviewing very well and brand loyalty might swing me to buy it. Just wish I new the input lag of my current set to reference against the 38ms of this one.

It'll be this or an LGB6, just need to know pricing, if the gap is too large it'll be the panny. And nothing is out in Australia yet so I'm playing the waiting game.
 
farmerboy said:
Awesome. I have an 8yo 50PZ850A Panny plasma and I'm starting to get the itch to upgrade. It really does seem that each set/brand has its own set of small "problems".

And I say "problems" cos if a professional reviewer had a look at my set I'm sure it'd have it's own problems too, yet I've been absolutely happy with it till now. After viewing my set for so long I've no doubt whatever I might buy now will be a revelation. I just think we nitpick a bit too much ;-)

In any case this new set from Panasonic is reviewing very well and brand loyalty might swing me to buy it. Just wish I new the input lag of my current set to reference against the 38ms of this one.

It'll be this or an LGB6, just need to know pricing, if the gap is too large it'll be the panny. And nothing is out in Australia yet so I'm playing the waiting game.
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I had a 46" GW20 Plasma (German Model) before and don't regret it. I was tempted to go for the lg as well but my apartment is very bright, I was impatient and the 3 inches extra compared to the b6 made me buy the dx900. You should definitely check if the viewing angle bothers you. I am sitting totally in the center, so it does not matter to me. Can't help too much on the lag issue since I have not gamed too much on it yet (and don't know lag numbers of the gw20 as well..). The LG should be around the same though(~35ms).
 
farmerboy said:
if a professional reviewer had a look at my set I'm sure it'd have it's own problems too, yet I've been absolutely happy with it till now.
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It's funny. My old rear projection set has problems but I've watched it for so long that they don't really bother me that much. When I'm looking at a new set, I don't have that familiarity so flaws are much more noticeable, even though my old set has issues that are at least as bad. Of course the old set is paid for and you're stuck with it so that helps you overlook a lot. With the expensive new set during the return period you are constantly asking yourself "is this flaw something I can really live with?", "should I return it?", "Maybe I can get a better one", and so on... I'd probably be better off if you couldn't return TVs for visual imperfections because I would quickly move into the acceptance and overlook it phase.

SillyNonsense said:
So is this possible or is my solution in another castle?
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I don't think it will work but you'd have to try it. The HDMI port on the TV is not a traditional "Output" and ARC is a special protocol, so your receiver may not know what to do with the signal but again I'm not sure.

Personally, I would want all my devices running through the receiver if possible for convenience sake and also to avoid any potential "sound lagging behind the video" problems when using the consoles. I would just use the optical port. I've had fewer issues that way personally and those streaming apps on the TV aren't going to be sending out fantastic lossless audio anyway so you aren't giving up a whole lot, IMO. I'm sure others will disagree. Of course if your receiver is old you might run into HDMI handshaking issues between the receiver and the new set anyway, and you'll be forced to either plug everything into the TV as you suggested or replace the receiver. Make sure you've got a high-bandwidth HDMI cable for that Receiver <-> TV connection as that can cause drop-outs too.
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
I don't think it will work but you'd have to try it. The HDMI port on the TV is not a traditional "Output" and ARC is a special protocol, so your receiver may not know what to do with the signal but again I'm not sure.

Personally, I would want all my devices running through the receiver if possible for convenience sake and also to avoid any potential "sound lagging behind the video" problems when using the consoles. I would just use the optical port. I've had fewer issues that way personally and those streaming apps on the TV aren't going to be sending out fantastic lossless audio anyway so you aren't giving up a whole lot, IMO. I'm sure others will disagree. Of course if your receiver is old you might run into HDMI handshaking issues between the receiver and the new set anyway, and you'll be forced to either plug everything into the TV as you suggested or replace the receiver. Make sure you've got a high-bandwidth HDMI cable for that Receiver <-> TV connection as that can cause drop-outs too.
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MrJames said:
The HDMI handshake should recognize no ARC so you won't be able to make it work. I agree with what Dr. posted. Run everything through the receiver and then use an optical connection for the apps from the TV so they have their own input source on the receiver. Plugging consoles into the TV and then using the optical back to the receiver will cost you lossless audio if you use PS/XB to watch Blu-rays.
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Yeah I had definitely considered the fact that it is not a traditional output but I was hoping I could maybe get away with it anyway since I don't know how ARC is actually implemented on a technical level.
If it doesn't work I can always fall back on optical, like you said. It would just be nice to avoid a trip, since I think my existing optical cables I have lying around might be too short.

Is there anything I'd be missing out on continuing to run everything through 1.3? I've got a PS4, Xbone and PC all hooked up to the receiver right now. Everything will still be running at 1080 for the time being but I don't know if 1.3 limits any color depth or subsampling possibilities for instance.

I know it doesnt do 3d but I dont have a 3d tv so that is irrelevant to me.
 
SillyNonsense said:
Cross-posting this question from the VizioP thread since it is not necessarily set-specific:

I have a question about ARC. I get my new set tomorrow and I'm trying to figure out the ideal way to set it up so that I don't run into issues.

My old receiver only has HDMI 1.3 which I gather does not support ARC (introduced in 1.4), so I cannot have my consoles plugged into it and also have audio running back from the TV's built in apps.

However, what if I have all my devices plugged directly into the TV and only have audio running back to the receiver? Can I use the ARC port on the tv to send only audio and just plug it into any open HDMI port on the receiver? Or do I have to go optical?

Another user clarified what I am looking for:



So is this possible or is my solution in another castle?
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The HDMI handshake should recognize no ARC so you won't be able to make it work. I agree with what Dr. posted. Run everything through the receiver and then use an optical connection for the apps from the TV so they have their own input source on the receiver. Plugging consoles into the TV and then using the optical back to the receiver will cost you lossless audio if you use PS/XB to watch Blu-rays.
 
Madridy said:
Looking for a good 75" TV for my family's living room.

Nothing too fancy, just it should have the basics, a good image quality and without any major flaws.

Budget is between $2000-3000.
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Does it really need to be THAT big? I only say this cause 75" usually means a heafty price tag. The price difference between say a 65" set and a 75" set can be a few thousand.
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
It's funny. My old rear projection set has problems but I've watched it for so long that they don't really bother me that much. When I'm looking at a new set, I don't have that familiarity so flaws are much more noticeable, even though my old set has issues that are at least as bad. Of course the old set is paid for and you're stuck with it so that helps you overlook a lot. With the expensive new set during the return period you are constantly asking yourself "is this flaw something I can really live with?", "should I return it?", "Maybe I can get a better one", and so on... I'd probably be better off if you couldn't return TVs for visual imperfections because I would quickly move into the acceptance and overlook it phase.
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Yeah, I remember you have the same projection TV I have (Sony SXRD). Mine is pretty much to the point now where the screen is mostly filled with a sickly yellow. It&#8217;s kind of weird, but if you look at a brighter screen, you still can pick out varying colors and the yellow isn't as noticeable. But if the background of the scene is just lighter (like a light grey) the yellow is more obvious. And it covers like 85% of the screen now.

It&#8217;s to the point for me right now where I am eagerly awaiting the TV I am looking at, to be released (LG OLED E6).

My hope is in experiencing the &#8216;bad screen&#8217; on my TV for awhile now, I will be similar to yourself and any flaws on my new TV won&#8217;t be as noticeable.
 
Hobbun said:
The store I will be going through has not received them, yet. I want to actually look at them in person before I make do any pre-order.
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I've been reading the AVS thread and they seem to be good panels. I mean that in terms of having no major QC issues.
 
Jigolo said:
I've been reading the AVS thread and they seem to be good panels. I mean that in terms of having no major QC issues.
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Yes, I've been keeping close eye on AVS, as well. And I agree, they've rated very well for the most part. But still want to look at one in person before I make a decision on purchasing one.
 
The Revenant in 4K HDR on OLED...
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I know I've previously posted about the DX900 Panasonic lcd and it seems like a great tv but.....
went into the local elec store and had a look at the oleds.

Only the EF950 as the newer G6 E6 aren't in Australia and I've no idea when. Good lord there's just something about the picture quality. It was stunning. Also interesting that the 4k demo reel showed off a lot of dark material while the LEDLCDs all showed off brighter daytime vistas.

What wasn't nice was the price - $7998 here in OZ for the 65in. Yeesh that's pretty steep. When all the 2016 tv's are out here I'll have some interesting decisions to make.

Current line of thinking is maybe a fully featured LEDLCD like the Panny mentioned. The tech is mature, its 4k UHD HDR, and maybe get it in the 58in instead of 65in, which saves money and is still a nice little upgrade from 50in. I dare say it'll be around $2000 cheaper than even the EF950 oled maybe more.

Then buy the oled in 3 years time when other manufacturers have joined the race and the tech is more mature, HDR standards will have matured more and hopefully prices are lower too.
 
farmerboy said:
I know I've previously posted about the DX900 Panasonic lcd and it seems like a great tv but.....
went into the local elec store and had a look at the oleds.

Only the EF950 as the newer G6 E6 aren't in Australia and I've no idea when. Good lord there's just something about the picture quality. It was stunning. Also interesting that the 4k demo reel showed off a lot of dark material while the LEDLCDs all showed off brighter daytime vistas.

What wasn't nice was the price - $7998 here in OZ for the 65in. Yeesh that's pretty steep. When all the 2016 tv's are out here I'll have some interesting decisions to make.

Current line of thinking is maybe a fully featured LEDLCD like the Panny mentioned. The tech is mature, its 4k UHD HDR, and maybe get it in the 58in instead of 65in, which saves money and is still a nice little upgrade from 50in. I dare say it'll be around $2000 cheaper than even the EF950 oled maybe more.

Then buy the oled in 3 years time when other manufacturers have joined the race and the tech is more mature, HDR standards will have matured more and hopefully prices are lower too.
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I decided to do the same last year. 2018 or 2019 is when I'll buy me an OLED TV
 
I got a 65in Samsung ks8000 Friday. Just tried ps4 and XBO this morning with game mode on. I'm experiencing some kind of frame skip/hitch or judder every 3-4 seconds. Any idea what's going on?
 
Hey guys,

checked the OP and nothing for 2016 yet? I've got a G25 Panny 42" that I'm wanting to upgrade to at least a 55" 4K TV. Any suggestions?
 
Hey guys, is 4K worth it at this point?

I think I'll rather buy a new TV that I can keep for years to come, and not buy another in the next 5-10 years if possible.

If 4K is recommended, any good options out there?

It will mostly be used for gaming as well

Priority for me is for games to look at their upmost potential. Everything I've had usually makes games too dark or too bright.

As long as the games look great, no input lag (perhaps a gamed mode option?), that should be enough.
 
jorgejjvr said:
Hey guys, is 4K worth it at this point?

I think I'll rather buy a new TV that I can keep for years to come, and not buy another in the next 5-10 years if possible.

If 4K is recommended, any good options out there?

It will mostly be used for gaming as well
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I'm confused by your statement since you want a tv that lasts but then say you don't want one that lasts 5-10 years. Which implies to me that you are seeing 5-10 years as a short life for a TV.

I think 10 years is a very long time for TVs

With that being said, if thats got stance then you probably are not an early adopter on tech and I would say wait it out until more 4K content comes out
 
MikeE21286 said:
I'm confused by your statement since you want a tv that lasts but then say you don't want one that lasts 5-10 years. Which implies to me that you are seeing 5-10 years as a short life for a TV.

I think 10 years is a very long time for TVs

With that being said, if thats got stance then you probably are not an early adopter on tech and I would say wait it out until more 4K content comes out
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I guess my point here is this

Im buying a house, and having my own place. So at this point, I'm considering things like tvs. I like to buy things that last, and not worry about them.

I would much rather buy a 4K that is good, and last me for as long as possible (I don't normally buy another main TV, unless it somehow breaks), than buying a TV now and having to buy another 4 years down the road when 4k is more relevant.

If that makes sense
 
guitarguy316 said:
I got a 65in Samsung ks8000 Friday. Just tried ps4 and XBO this morning with game mode on. I'm experiencing some kind of frame skip/hitch or judder every 3-4 seconds. Any idea what's going on?
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I'll respond to myself. So I fixed my issue by renaming the input and picture to "PC". I have no idea if the "PC" mode trick on Samsung tvs is lower input lag than the "game mode" setting though. I know rtings measured it around 20ms so I assume the "PC" mode is same or better?
 
Complicated situation ahead.

I've run into a conundrum. Have my 4k set and a new receiver. Excited to finally get my surround sound up and running. Don't know much about audio, but got it all hooked up with everything going to the TV through HDMI, and then the TV outputting audio to the receiver through optical. I'd imagine you wiser people see where this is going... Optical can't do uncompressed surround sound, apparently. If I try it on my bluray player, it just turns my sub off. I was able to get around this by fucking with PCM/bitstream settings. I get all my channels, but I assume that means it's being compressed in some way.

Then, I switch to PC. It won't do shit other than stereo. I have to use HDMI to the receiver to get surround sound. I'm guessing it just won't fuck around with compressed surround, so my choices are stereo over the optical from the TV, or the real shit by plugging into the receiver. Problem is there's no convenient way of winning with the way settings work on the TV.

I have three inputs in use:

  1. Video Games (through a separate HDMI switch then to the samsung breakout box)
  2. 4k BluRay (with HDR on)
  3. PC (With HDR on, set to PC mode)

There's really no convenient way around this. If I just sent everything to the receiver, then the receiver to the TV, I'd have to be turning game/PC mode on every time I want to use them. I also assume I don't want to leave HDR on for an input that isn't actually using HDR (like the PS4). Thought I'd read it will fuck your colors or blacks or something. Turning HDR on/off on an input requires the TV to reset as well, so that's super inconvenient. Essentially I either need multiple outs on the receiver, or an HDMI audio out from the TV. Neither of which I have. So, I'm kind of fucked unless someone here comes up with something I'm missing.

Sorry for the long read.
 
guitarguy316 said:
I'll respond to myself. So I fixed my issue by renaming the input and picture to "PC". I have no idea if the "PC" mode trick on Samsung tvs is lower input lag than the "game mode" setting though. I know rtings measured it around 20ms so I assume the "PC" mode is same or better?
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Input lag in PC mode is 38ms, so a bit higher than in game mode. Which is still a good input lag for 1080p upscaled to 4K.
 
So my brother is still looking for his next TV, naturally wants it to be something that will last him a long time.

He saw a Sony 55X9005c in the store, but on Google we cannot find a whole lot. No reviews from HDTVTest or anything. It's currently nicely priced in our country, but how is this TV?

Especially compared to the Samsung JS8500?
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
So my brother is still looking for his next TV, naturally wants it to be something that will last him a long time.

He saw a Sony 55X9005c in the store, but on Google we cannot find a whole lot. No reviews from HDTVTest or anything. It's currently nicely priced in our country, but how is this TV?

Especially compared to the Samsung JS8500?
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Seems like an older model Sony. The JS8500 is usually compared to Sony's 850s and 930s versions. Your best bet for comparisons is to go rtings and use their side by side comparison tool.
 
I had mine (E6) for a week now, not much to say other than that it is completely awesome. Coming from a 2009 Plasma TV, it's just an entire different experience watching on that TV.
 
Yaari said:
I had mine (E6) for a week now, not much to say other than that it is completely awesome. Coming from a 2009 Plasma TV, it's just an entire different experience watching on that TV.
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I redownloaded Super Stardust Ultra and Trine 2 to test out the 3D and it works damn well, but goddamn if Trine 2 doesn't look gorgeous on this TV and that was a PS4 launch title. The Show 16 looks pretty crazy, Alienation really shines when everything is exploding around you, and I haven't had a chance to give Ratchet & Clank a spin yet. The fam is watching DirecTV which doesn't look bad at all uprezzed. I have to say I'm really blown away by this TV.
 
Congrats on the E6 purchases. I'm still planning on joining the club but with the banding issues on the 65" I'm probably going to buy from Crutchfield to get the 60-day option and no tax. All the banding discussion and pics in the UK forum has me concerned. I think the $1,000 off ends on 4/30 so I'll be putting in an order between now and Saturday unles it gets extended.
 
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