Super Delegates make the system Un Democratic IMO.
I don't see how letting a select few have their vote matter as much or more than the popular vote of a state, a beneficial system to the electoral system.
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Super Delegates make the system Un Democratic IMO.
I don't see how letting a select few have their vote matter as much or more than the popular vote of a state, a beneficial system to the electoral system.
LOL @ "Diamond and Silk" celebrating the TRUMP win.
I don't think Hillary/Trump is a foregone conclusion at all, Trump seems like the perfect anti-Hillary vote to me, she's basically as 'establishment' as one person can get.
If she were up against phase 1 Trump and his casual racism & bigotry it would be no contest, but Phase 2 Trump will try his best to walk all of that back, focus on where Hillary's money comes from, grab the 'time for real change' rhetoric, seems to me like that would appeal to quite a lot of the people who want Sanders now.
If she were up against phase 1 Trump and his casual racism & bigotry it would be no contest, but Phase 2 Trump will try his best to walk all of that back, focus on where Hillary's money comes from, grab the 'time for real change' rhetoric, seems to me like that would appeal to quite a lot of the people who want Sanders now.
Agreed. Trump will go hard for the Sanders vote, while appealing to the GOP base. It's not an inevitable win for Hillary.
The one issue with what you said about general election mode trump is will he move away from some of the things he has said or done in the republican primary successful in the GE? I am not sure he will be able to and the dems will use it against him probably successful and hurt his chances of winning the presidential campaign significantly. The dems have also probably been digging up some of the shady stuff trump may have done in the past. They may use that against him in the GE.
Sanders does not want trump to win the GE. He wants a democrat to win it. He said he will do anything to make sure a democrat wins the GE awhile ago. I expect him to keep his promise in the end.
Red Liquorice
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My condolences America.
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Bernie v Trump
Hillary v Trump
Bernie's Favorability
Hillary's Favorability
EDIT: Hillary's favorability chart going back to '09 paints a much worse picture, but I wanted to keep the X and Y axes identical.
chaobreaker
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So there's absolutely nothingbarring assassination or an act of godthat will prevent Trump from being the Republican nominee? Not a single loophole in the rulebooks?
I think it says a lot that a carnival barker is crushing the Republican establishment right now. That's the most interesting thing about this election cycle to me. How far they have fallen, in a bed they've been making for themselves since the Clinton presidency.
Trump has no chance in a national election. I honestly think we will see the largest turnout of young voters in history, dwarfing what Obama was able to accomplish. Between people being horrified at the notion of a cartoon being president to the Democrats amazing ground game, he doesn't stand a chance.
Trump has no chance in a national election. I honestly think we will see the largest turnout of young voters in history, dwarfing what Obama was able to accomplish. Between people being horrified at the notion of a cartoon being president to the Democrats amazing ground game, he doesn't stand a chance.
Jack The Nipper
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Well, there's kind of a loophole, in that I believe that technically they can rewrite the rulebook itself. That would be extremely dangerous, politically, however.
StopMakingSense
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CNN/ORC poll this morning:
Clinton 54%
Trump 41%
Clinton 54%
Trump 41%
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As a UK resident watching this it's unbelievable. Maybe Americans are seeing something different portrayed than in the UK press.
Trump has still said nothing to appeal to general voters .Until now, he was only interested in winning the rep nom.
He's gonna sweep.
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Bernie v Trump
Hillary v Trump
Bernie's Favorability
Hillary's Favorability
EDIT: Hillary's favorability chart going back to '09 paints a much worse picture, but I wanted to keep the X and Y axes identical.
It's too late, sadly. Bernie's still fighting the good fight but he's not getting the nomination.
QuicheFontaine
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He's still raising a helluva stink; and it does matter.
StopMakingSense
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Rasmussen, huh?
jimbobsmells
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Too many people are thinking a Democrat win is now a foregone conclusion. A lot of them probably were the ones previously saying that Trump had no chance of getting the nomination. It 'ain't over 'till the fat lady sings.
Bananajama
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I never said they were the same so well done for making an ignorant assumption
I just don't believe either of them will be that good for the country
Ultimately, the choice is not going to be down to 'who do you think will be good', it's 'who do you think will be better'. Or, if you'd rather focus on the negatives, 'who do you think will be less damaging'
Barring oddness, one of these two candidates will be president - but I really don't see it as a difficult choice. For pretty much any stance a voter might have, one of the two candidates will be better for that stance than the other. They're both polarising candidates in different ways, which makes an individual's decision actually quite easy.
Bananajama
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Leave? Its got to be leave?
Bernie's favorables would be destroyed after the Republican party got done with him. His current numbers are basically "generic D" when he is anything but.
If you honestly think that Hillary Clinton will be so bad for the country that you need to emigrate then I don't really know what to say - you appear to have swallowed a vast amount of smears and propaganda without any backing to it whatsoever.
Is a third term of Obama that bad?
Is a third term of Obama that bad?
Yea. She's basically Obama v2 with less tact.
Buba Big Guns
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Not at all when it comes to foreign policy.
Yes because minorities and women are just going to forget all of the horrible indefensible shit he's said about them
layzie1989
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I still dont think the party doing something radical to get him out of the nomination is out of the question. With the way things have gone a complete implosion would feel right in line.
Edit: that said I don't know what that would be. I just don't think it will be this easy.
Edit: that said I don't know what that would be. I just don't think it will be this easy.
When should he throw in the towel? Fact is long drawn out primaries cost a lot of campaign money that right now Trump doesn't need to spend on his side. He's "fighting the good fight" but at what cost?
Pejo
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Holy shit this made me laugh for a solid 5 minutes.
While I know this is a joke, I'm sure someone in the GOP has floated this idea at least once. Now it seems like it's their only option if they want to keep Trump from the nomination. It's not like Kasich is going to do anything by continuing to run except to burn money.
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Hillary could raise around $1.5 - $2billion. I don't think Trump can take money from big GOP donors because that would make him a hypocrite and I don't think they would be willing to donate any money to him either. So how would he raise money for the general? The RNC would provide him with some but it won't be enough. I doubt he is willing to put $500m - $1b of his own money in his campaign. I really think Hillary will overpower him in the general with constant attack ads, I really don't see how Trump can respond effectively. He needs an insane amount of money to compete. He could use the strategy he used in the primaries but I doubt it will work in the general. It's going to be really tough for him.
Box of Kittens
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Reince Priebus (RNC chair) called him the presumptive nominee. I think they're resigned to their fate.
tearsintherain
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The $300m+ that all of Trump's opponents spent on him in the primary sure was effective. Or the $1b that the Koch brothers spent in 2012 against Obama.
If you think Bernie's favorable a would stay the same in the general when he would really start getting hit with negativity, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Sources:
Bernie v Trump
Hillary v Trump
Bernie's Favorability
Hillary's Favorability
EDIT: Hillary's favorability chart going back to '09 paints a much worse picture, but I wanted to keep the X and Y axes identical.
Angry Puppy
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Well at least Trump is better than the other repubs and Bernie...
Hillary is still 100x better than any of these clowns
Hillary is still 100x better than any of these clowns
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Obama was the perfect candidate though, and he raised a lot of money too. I agree attack ads were ineffective against Trump in the primaries but it's kind of difficult to predict whether it will be the same in the general. He polls really low with women and Hispanics and you can bet Clinton would target them with non-stop anti-Trump ads.
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Trump will attack Hillary as being unpopular with women because she defended Bill when he was sleeping around "for the sake of her career ". He'll work real hard to make women dislike Hillary and it will work better than most expect.
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