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Link me, bro. I want to listen to it while I'm working.

http://ie.ign.com/videos/2016/05/05...e-impressions-podcast-beyond#livefyre-comment

 

[Ishan]

So the sense I've gotten from impressions and reviews is gameplay is better story is halfway between uc and tlou and set pieces too are in between ?

Edit the only thing I have a hard time taking in is uc1 is scored higher than uc4 ... other sites like say giantbomb or Jim sterling I can get they've always not been sensational ign is surprising to me ... not saying it's wrong just surprising

 

[MetalGearZed]

so is this gamings Citizen Kane 2: The Kane Strikes Back moment?

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

so is this gamings Citizen Kane 2: The Kane Strikes Back moment?

More profound than that even.

 

[AbandonedTrolley]

So the sense I've gotten from impressions and reviews is gameplay is better story is halfway between uc and tlou and set pieces too are in between ?

Edit the only thing I have a hard time taking in is uc1 is scored higher than uc4 ... other sites like say giantbomb or Jim sterling I can get they've always not been sensational ign is surprising to me ... not saying it's wrong just surprising

Expectations

Uncharted 1 was a big step up graphically from the likes of Tomb Raider on the PS2, this time around ND had already done amazing work with U2/3 TLOU on the PS3 and the remasters also looked great. I guess U4 is a lot better, but maybe not as much of an impact as previous generational leap?

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

OH YES. I didn't get to review Uncharted 4, but I did at least score my copy five days early thanks to my trusty local video game store! They even stayed open 15 minutes past closing time because I was in a screening of Captain America: Civil War when they called and the movie ended too late for me to get there before closing. They're the best. <3

I CAN'T BELIEVE UNCHARTED 4 IS FINALLY HERE AND I'M ABOUT TO PLAY IT. One of my top three most-anticipated games of 2016 to be sure, alongside Final Fantasy XV and Rhythm Heaven Megamix. See ya'll on the other side.

So salty right now.

My local dudes told me they'd have it today and UPS didn't show up with their shipment.

Those brown uniformed cretins!

 

[Fess]

Uncharted 4 has better graphics, story, characters, and gameplay

Tomb raider just has a great rpg element in upgrading weapons

While I'm sure UC4 is amazing judging by the reviews I think you're slightly harsh on TR here, at least if you're talking about Rise of the Tomb Raider. The crafting and weapon upgrades was great of course but it was the combination of that and the cleverly designed sand box open world levels with almost Metroid-like gameplay that made RotTR so great imo. Makes me sad that the exclusivity deal stirred up so much negativity, the game was among the best of the gen at the time. Sounds awesome that UC4 is even better though.

 

[Markitron]

I'm Avoiding the reviews, any word on how long it is?

 

[AbandonedTrolley]

I'm Avoiding the reviews, any word on how long it is?

15-18 hours from what I've seen, not including cutscenes

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

What engine does ND is using now?

Naughty God Engine 4.0. Allows a visual fidelity not even possible on a high-end desktop PC.

No idea actually.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I'm Avoiding the reviews, any word on how long it is?

14-18h. So The Last of Us length.

 

[Markitron]

15-18 hours from what I've seen, not including cutscenes

14-18h. So The Last of Us length.

Wow, nice.

 

[Daft Punk]

 

[GribbleGrunger]

http://ie.ign.com/videos/2016/05/05...e-impressions-podcast-beyond#livefyre-comment

Thanks ... They're complaining it's too long. My God, what the hell is happening here?

 

[SuicidalSteve]

Apparently my Uncharted 4 from GAME just got dispatched! I will still get it for launch date because game being game

 

[pLow7]

Thanks ... They're complaining it's too long. My God, what the hell is happening here?

To be fair, Giant Bomb has the same complain saying that "it run a few chapters too long".

 

[tzare]

Thanks ... They're complaining it's too long. My God, what the hell is happening here?

if it is short, will complain because it is short, if long because long.
If linear, needs to be openworld, if it is more open, it is boring to explore. If no shooting, pacing issues, if too much shooting, he is a serial killer.
really people just can't enjoy games these days.

 

[ChemicalWorld]

While I'm sure UC4 is amazing judging by the reviews I think you're slightly harsh on TR here, at least if you're talking about Rise of the Tomb Raider. The crafting and weapon upgrades was great of course but it was the combination of that and the cleverly designed sand box open world levels with almost Metroid-like gameplay that made RotTR so great imo. Makes me sad that the exclusivity deal stirred up so much negativity, the game was among the best of the gen at the time. Sounds awesome that UC4 is even better though.

Sorry for the derail but RotTR was terrible compared to the reboot. The upgrades were mostly combat focused and if you wanted every weapon upgrade in the game you had to needlessly grind specific areas for items. The metroidvania elements were pale in comparison because of the large open areas and the story was laughable compared to the reboot. With that said Game give me Uncharted 4 now!

 

[Lacix]

Thanks ... They're complaining it's too long. My God, what the hell is happening here?

Really? Too long can't be a real complaint. Too short can be (like The Order 1886 or Quantum Break without TV stuff) or too empty and too repetitive can.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

And I'm still here grinding DS3 covenant items while waiting for my shop call

 

[aravuus]

Thanks ... They're complaining it's too long. My God, what the hell is happening here?

Well I mean... Games can be too long. 18 hours sounds a bit too long to my taste, but we'll see.

Really? Too long can't be a real complaint. Too short can be (like The Order 1886 or Quantum Break without TV stuff) or too empty and too repetitive can.

Have you never played a game that you felt like was too long?

 

[Apt101]

I expected nothing less really. Naughty Dog has been firing on all cylinders for so long I cannot imagine them ever making a game that isn't amazing now.

 

[Elfstruck]

And I'm still here grinding DS3 covenant items while waiting for my shop call

I gave that up long ago lol

 

[Ban Puncher]

Is there a spreadsheet or some shit that tells me which version comes with which extra crap?

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Thanks ... They're complaining it's too long. My God, what the hell is happening here?

A game can absolutely overstay its welcome. The opinion that a game can be too long is definitely a valid one.

Having not played Uncharted 4 myself, I can't say whether or not I agree with them in this particular instance. I will say that I did feel Uncharted 3 dragged on at points, so I wouldn't be completely shocked if this game did the same. Then again, I found TLoU to be perfectly paced.

 

[Unknown One]

Too long could be a complaint if the game is not properly well paced for a particular time length (most open world games).

 

[Ivory Samoan]

15-18 hours from what I've seen, not including cutscenes

Jeepers that's a hearty length: so including cutscenes probably around ~20 hours, and the fact I take my time and always take way longer than the expected time to complete....35 hour Uncharted 4 odyssey here we come!!

 

[Moosichu]

What engine does ND is using now?

Still their internal engine. Derived from the one used for the Last of Us remastered.

 

[Nightengale]

Long is just one part of their criticism.

Brian and Marty basically felt that the core mechanics of the game wasn't diverse enough to justify its length.

Eg. Doing the same kind of puzzle the Xth time over 18 hours loses its fun and feels more tedious at that stage.

 

[Loudninja]

Its the last game in the series I am glad its long.

 

[Loudninja]

Stuff Tv 5/5
http://www.stuff.tv/game-reviews/uncharted-4-thiefs-end/review

 

[GribbleGrunger]

To be fair, Giant Bomb has the same complain saying that "it run a few chapters too long".

if it is short, will complain because it is short, if long because long.
If linear, needs to be openworld, if it is more open, it is boring to explore. If no shooting, pacing issues, if too much shooting, he is a serial killer.
really people just can't enjoy games these days.

Really? Too long can't be a real complaint. Too short can be (like The Order 1886 or Quantum Break without TV stuff) or too empty and too repetitive can.

Well I mean... Games can be too long. 18 hours sounds a bit too long to my taste, but we'll see.

Have you never played a game that you felt like was too long?

A game can absolutely overstay its welcome. The opinion that a game can be too long is definitely a valid one.

Having not played Uncharted 4 myself, I can't say whether or not I agree with them in this particular instance. I will say that I did feel Uncharted 3 dragged on at points, so I wouldn't be completely shocked if this game did the same. Then again, I found TLoU to be perfectly paced.

I deliberately drag games out so I can experience them for as long as possible. My first playthrough of TLOU took me 23 hours and I loved every second. Their comments about what they think this will score has me worried. They say it's likely to score lower than 2 or 3, but it's the look to camera at that point that makes me think the comment is a precursor to a lower score from them. The guy in the middle (can't remember his name) looked decidedly sheepish when he said it.

Reviewers have to play a lot of games in a given time in order to get their reviews out. I think that's why some of them say things like this. We, the PAYING public, like to get as much for our money as possible. I know I do.

 

[viHuGi]

Stuff Tv 5/5
http://www.stuff.tv/game-reviews/uncharted-4-thiefs-end/review

Metacritic? We need more 10s there.

 

[Represent.]

I just played through the intro and I can tell I'm in for one hell of a game.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

They're really stopping at 4? Why not 5? =/

 

[viHuGi]

I wonder how many millions they will sell, considering?
- GREAT reviews
- 40 million install base
- Naughty Dog track record
- Lack of first party AAA games

It's not like Ratchet didn't come out or MLB lol

 

[Nightengale]

I deliberately drag games out so I can experience them for as long as possible. My first playthrough of TLOU took me 23 hours and I loved every second. Their comments about what they think this will score has me worried. They say it's likely to score lower than 2 or 3, but it's the look to camera at that point that makes me think the comment is a precursor to a lower score from them. Te guy in the middle (can't remember his name) looked decidedly sheepish when he said it.

That impression was recorded BEFORE embargo.

What they're saying is that internally in IGN, they already know what their score is (8.8), but they're curious how other outlets will score it because among 4 IGN staff, they don't have the same opinion of UC4 as the broad majority, so they're assuming maybe other outlets are also sharing the same opinion as them.

 

[Loudninja]

Metacritic? We need more 10s there.

I have no idea.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

That impression was recorded BEFORE embargo.

What they're saying is that internally in IGN, they already know what their score is (8.8), but they're curious how other outlets will score it because among 4 IGN staff, they don't have the same opinion of UC4 as the broad majority, so they're assuming maybe other outlets are also sharing the same opinion as them.

I thought the 8.8/10 was just a placeholder score? It's still a great score of course.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

They're really stopping at 4? Why not 5? =/

Don't worry, Sony will milk it to death. Only naive to believe this is the last Uncharted

 

[JaseC]

They're really stopping at 4? Why not 5? =/

There'll be another Uncharted game; ND may be moving on, but the IP is too popular for Sony to put on the backburner. A sequel to 4 seems unlikely, though.

 

[aravuus]

They're really stopping at 4? Why not 5? =/

What's so bad about 4 lol?

 

[Nightengale]

Don't worry, Sony will milk it to death. Only naive to believe this is the last Uncharted

When TLOU 2 sells 15 million, Sony won't even remember Uncharted ever existed. /jk

 

[Ghost Slayer]

What's so bad about 4 lol?

It's death in Japan

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Don't worry, Sony will milk it to death. Only naive to believe this is the last Uncharted

For a lot of people having more UC is not a problem .
But this should be the end of nathan drake story IMO.
A new UC with a new cast would be interesting but ND won't be making so that is another problem .

 

[Square Triangle]

The guy at PS4 trophies said there's 190 collectible items, my god- that makes Donkey Kong 64 blush in envy.

 

[aravuus]

It's death in Japan

Yeah, I remember reading something about that. I was wondering if that was really the reason.

 

[Grassy]

Great reviews, really looking forward to what looks like an amazing game.

I better finish off Uncharted 3 this weekend. I just started it the other day and I'm enjoying it so far(only up to Chapter 4).

 

[Hwoar]

if it is short, will complain because it is short, if long because long.
If linear, needs to be openworld, if it is more open, it is boring to explore. If no shooting, pacing issues, if too much shooting, he is a serial killer.
really people just can't enjoy games these days.

Yes this does seem to kinda play a role.

 

[tzare]

I deliberately drag games out so I can experience them for as long as possible. My first playthrough of TLOU took me 23 hours and I loved every second. Their comments about what they think this will score has me worried. They say it's likely to score lower than 2 or 3, but it's the look to camera at that point that makes me think the comment is a precursor to a lower score from them. The guy in the middle (can't remember his name) looked decidedly sheepish when he said it.

Reviewers have to play a lot of games in a given time in order to get their reviews out. I think that's why some of them say things like this. We, the PAYING public, like to get as much for our money as possible. I know I do.

Exactly. You pay for it. The only 'complain' about being too long would be if you want to see how the plot ends, or if extremely repetitive (but all games have repetitive gameplay, i mean even the most fun ones you end doing the same over and over). Maybe people should play the games in shorter sessions to avoid that kind of 'fatigue'.

And reviewers are just ... well I cannot trust them anymore. Some scores and reviews seem to search for clicks, or fanboyish arguments.And giving more importance to nitpicking than the whole picture. They look just regular players, not someone that acts professionally.