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welp, we all had a good run
X-Men Apocalypse Review Thread
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Bobby Roberts
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Also, I missed the post that prompted Mr. Costnevans appearance in this thread.
This movie is not worse than Iron Man 2 or either Amazing Spider-Man. It's better than Wolverine Origins.
Basically, of the films you listed there Koz:
1) Captain America: The First Avenger
2) Iron Man Three
3) The Avengers: Age of Ultron
4) Ant Man
5) X-Men: Apocalypse
6) Iron Man 2
7) The Amazing Spider-Man
8) Thor: The Dark World
9) The Amazing Spider-Man 2
10) X-Men Origins: Wolverine
I'm guessing you were pulling metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes or something?
Fucking lol why did this kill me.
BronsonLee
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Bobby I will not ride with you on that First Avenger train
It's good until he actually becomes Cap
It's good until he actually becomes Cap
The Hermit
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Not quoting the gif because it will be used for a long time.
But holy shit, I chocked on my water when I saw it.
But holy shit, I chocked on my water when I saw it.
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Lord Virgin
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Nope. First Avenger is great, all the way through.
Once again, you are wrong Bronson. Wrong I say.
First Avenger is seriously underrated IMHO. The only mediocre part is the montage. Cap diving on the dummy grenade + "I had a date" at the end are two of my favorite MCU moments.
BronsonLee
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I feel like I'm Jet Li beating up all the space prison people in The One
The dummy grenade is such a great moment because you see Peggy going to cover it too. I also really liked that she liked him -before- he turned into Cap.
But the action is eh. And I don't like Red Skull.
As much as I like Hugo Weaving I did sort of feel like he mailed it in as Red Skull. Maybe I was just expecting him to be more like an MCU Agent Smith
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Lord Virgin
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Shirtless Evans makes up for Red Skull.
Then again, shirtless Evans makes up for pretty much everything. Now if only Peggy had a similar scene...goddamnit.
Then again, shirtless Evans makes up for pretty much everything. Now if only Peggy had a similar scene...goddamnit.
X2 is fucking overhyped, it aged horrible
Hippopuncher12
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Wait people are surprised at the bad reviews? I mean the trailers look like hot CGI garbage.
Bobby Roberts
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People were similarly skeptical of both First Class and Days of Future Past.
The marketing (and look) of the X-Men series has never been all that good. Not since like, 2002, really.
And people are coming around, and will continue to come around, on Captain America as time goes on. It was one of my favorite movies the year it came out, and for as much as people wanna complain about Marvel "sameyness" or whatever, that's the movie that has the most unique vibe. (Strange will probably take a seat next to it in a couple months) It was the first of any in that series to feel like it was a success outside of those "Marvel" parameters. It was just a good, corny, fun-as-all-hell old-school adventure flick.
terrible, even. who could forget....
Even though, against all odds, Quicksilver was fucking great in DOFP, the marketing did him no favors.
Meanwhile, Deadpool has literally the greatest marketing in comic book film history. Funny how that works.
But Jet Li is kicking ass.
Glass Rebel
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I need Red Skull to return only for Black Panther to announce that he's going to break his jaw.
And then doing it.
And then doing it.
SargerusBR
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YOOOOOOOOOOO
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Bobby Roberts
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I don't even think the Cap 1 montage is "mediocre." I think it's great. I think it's occupying a level of ingrained misunderstanding that's become accepted narrative without much thought in the same way people still miss the point of Peter Parker: Jazz Dickhead in Spider-Man 3.
Obviously the Captain America montage isn't as outlandish/ostentatious as what Raimi was doing with Peter (note how I'm not actually using the term "emo" being as it doesn't, and never has, made any fucking sense as its applied to Peter in that movie), but I feel like judgment was rushed to on that segment and then simply never revisited. It becomes codified into some sort of nerd law without really being scrutinized.
But there probably are a lot of people who have revisited a couple times since it came out and still don't like it, so hey. To each their reach. I just think a lot of the Cap 1 montage dissatisfaction comes from having expectations of what a superhero movie and further, what a MARVEL superhero movie, is supposed to play like, and Cap not really sticking to those at all.
Obviously the Captain America montage isn't as outlandish/ostentatious as what Raimi was doing with Peter (note how I'm not actually using the term "emo" being as it doesn't, and never has, made any fucking sense as its applied to Peter in that movie), but I feel like judgment was rushed to on that segment and then simply never revisited. It becomes codified into some sort of nerd law without really being scrutinized.
But there probably are a lot of people who have revisited a couple times since it came out and still don't like it, so hey. To each their reach. I just think a lot of the Cap 1 montage dissatisfaction comes from having expectations of what a superhero movie and further, what a MARVEL superhero movie, is supposed to play like, and Cap not really sticking to those at all.
Bobby Roberts
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I don't know about all that. Directors like to cuff up Aaron Taylor Johnson, and I'm not sure why. He's got more charisma than either Edwards or Whedon let him show in Godzilla & Ultron, respectively.
That said - Quicksilver gets more moments in Apocalypse, but he seems kinda flattened out, as a character. If you liked Ultron-Quicksilver more than in DoFP, I don't think Apocalypse is gonna change your mind.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
I just like AOU Quicksilver more because he felt like a character, while in DoFP he's a glorified set piece. Also DoFP Quicksilver being portrayed as plot-breaking powerful annoys me.
BronsonLee
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To be fair to Aaron, Edwards had a shitload of talent in Godzilla and only Cranston was able to stand out
TheSlySoul
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James McAvoy shaves his head while Patrick Stewart watches via video call.
The way McAvoy barks at 1:05 reminded me of Mason barking at Goodspeed in The Rock. Must be a Scottish thing.
The way McAvoy barks at 1:05 reminded me of Mason barking at Goodspeed in The Rock. Must be a Scottish thing.
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Lord Virgin
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I kinda like AoU. QS was fucking horrible, ugh. Glad he died, that alone makes me like Ultron.
Pretty steep dropoff there between 4 & 6.
BenjaminBirdie
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Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, it's definitely a bit of a ledge there.
excelsiorlef
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Yes?
broncobuster
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I used to think that way, though preferring DoFP Quicksilver. But upon rewatching both, don't know why. Quicksilver in AoU feels like he's there to further Wanda's story, with scant moments of his own character. The real shame there is not letting the Russos play with Pietro.
BronsonLee
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spookyfish
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This is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen.
Mengy
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Oh wow that gif is glorious. GLORIOUS.
Anoregon
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Well, this thread is done.
Which montage are you and others referring to? The first one with the song? Cause that may be my favourite part of the movie.
The second one during the war is pretty fun too.
Mengy
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Eh, I still think X2 is one of the best Xmen movies. First Class and DoFP were also great, but I still like X2 more. It may be nostalgia though, I admit.
I love Cap 1, it's one of my favorite Marvel movies, but even I admit that the montage is the worst part of the movie. I'd say it's mediocre and a bit obtrusive to the film, but it's not enough to detract from the overall greatness of the movie IMHO.
Not that controversial.
DOFP Quicksilver was a magic bullet that existed only for one really cool setpiece but was incidental to the actual main conflict and had absolutely no character arc whatsoever.
Age of Ultron Quicksilver was less flashy, more flawed, and had an actual arc from beginning to end.
To me, the pizzazz of a scene can wear off, but a character with more depth will eventually linger long after the special effects cease to wow and amaze.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
I think people dislike the montage because the other action scenes aren't great, so it sticks out as wasted potential.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This is actually a pretty good question
In my experience people tend to complain about the Star Spangled-Man thing going too long, so I always thought that was THE Montage they were complaining about when they complain about "The Montage."
If they're complaining about the "Captain America wrecks a bunch of shit montage" from later in the film, I'm even more baffled. What the hell is wrong with that montage?
So it's not really the montage itself being bad, it's that they feel they got cheated out of "real" action scenes?
That's kinda bullshit.
I am with you, AoU was more true to the character. The silly speedster trope is played out
StopMakingSense
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Yeah DoFP Quicksilver is a demigod. Interested to see how they work around that here
Brian_FETO
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Overhyped? Compared to what
It's aged about as well as an early 2000's Hollywood action movie can. Has a ton of characters that are balanced fairly well, everyone gets their spots in. Centered on Wolverine but hey, at least it involves the Weapon X facility so it's not entirely unjustified
Ya got your Lady Deathstrike, ya got your Pyro, ya got your Mystique sliding under a door giving the finger scene. Yo that Mansion sequence was sick dude. And the desktop in Deathstrike's office? There's icons for Omega Red and Alpha Flight dude!!!! Only fans will get this!!!!
X2 is pretty solid. Way better than Days of Future Past
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Huh, well I was talking about the combat montage and I always thought that every other complaint was about the combat montage too, as I figured everyone loved the Star Spangled Banner montage? (I certainly do) But that's an interesting point, and now I have to wonder what most people complaining about the Cap 1 montage actually meant, LOL!!!!!
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
That was my impression. I think some of it was wanting more of the Howling Commandos as well (like the demand for more Sif and the Warriors Three in Thor movies).
I think the combat montage is generally the one complained about.
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