So, Polygon 'playing' Doom...
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Um..Ok. It's not like I read all 20 pages, I just looked at the .gif and made a comment.
Also, thanks for telling me how I feel about reviews. You're totally on the mark, person on the internet I've never even spoken to before. People shouldn't care about reviews. A reviewer's opinion is no more valid than anyone else's.
The Strokes
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You're actually...right. I apologize for calling out the OP.
But this whole thing, like you said, it's been overblown by people jumping onto conclusions they shouldn't do. When I saw the video, the first person I thought about is my dad; he plays just like that and I get desperate just watching him because I think he is playing the game 'wrong'.
But he manages to finish all FPS that I buy before me even while he plays like that and he is still able to tell me if he found a game good, average or mediocre.
All I'm trying to say is that video is representative of a pool of players that, albeit a small pool, they play like that and that doesn't impair their judgment to Be able to tell you if a game is good or bad.
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Weltall Zero
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You kind of need to know what the fuck you're talking about to write a review. Would you trust a movie review from someone who lived in a cave and had never experienced this "moving pictures" thing?
Reminds me of a review I read that harshly criticised Bayonetta because, in their opinion, giving stone trophies (last rank, below copper, depicting the comic relief character falling down and saying "what a day") was insulting to the player.
Man, this is something I've been noticing more and more frequently with reviews/previews/lets plays from prominent publications...
The journalist are generally terrible at video games. I'm not expecting these folks to be ESL pro's, but when you are going to be critiquing things like AI behavior, weapon balance, and level design, difficulty, etc, you should be able to display atleast a basic level of proficiency within the genre you're reviewing.
The person playing in this Doom video is likely terrible at ALL first person shooters. So how can I, a fan of the genre, trust that he can provide incite that could help inform my decision.
I'm so glad this gen pushed me to start using twitch.
The journalist are generally terrible at video games. I'm not expecting these folks to be ESL pro's, but when you are going to be critiquing things like AI behavior, weapon balance, and level design, difficulty, etc, you should be able to display atleast a basic level of proficiency within the genre you're reviewing.
The person playing in this Doom video is likely terrible at ALL first person shooters. So how can I, a fan of the genre, trust that he can provide incite that could help inform my decision.
I'm so glad this gen pushed me to start using twitch.
How can you say if a person sucks at a game it;s because of the game. It's like me sucking at basketball and blaming the sport because I can't make it look good while playing.
This thread is full of bad comparison and polygon apologists.
Recently? They've been at it since a long time ago, for instance http://au.ign.com/articles/2006/10/10/god-hand-review, which is in my opinion the worst review ever by a major publication. The reviewer was so bad at the game he was not able to complete the first level, obviously blamed the video game. We're talking about God Hand which was fkn amazing.
What if you review it the way god intended, with a mouse and keyboard?
In all seriousness though, I think if you are reviewing core games for a specialist publication there should be some skill threshold in that specific genre, and if it's not met then that should be mentioned. if someone unfamiliar with a genre writes a review that's fine, but the information in the review is only useful if you know that it's derived under that lens.
g.r.e.
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You don't need l33t skills to review a fps, but as a paid professional you should review genres you're a bit proficient in(and being able to use the "twin stick" controls is not something only progamers can do, please).
gunslikewhoa
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Then posting it to YouTube is stupid.
What if you review it the way god intended, with a mouse and keyboard?
In all seriousness though, I think if you are reviewing core games for a specialist publication there should be some skill threshold in that specific genre, and if it's not met then that should be mentioned. if someone unfamiliar with a genre writes a review that's fine, but the information in the review is only useful if you know that it's derived under that lens.
This is a weird discussion to me with no real target since we already know that Arthur Gies is reviewing the game for Polygon and there is already footage of him playing "normally".
You think there should be no quality difference between a random youtuber and a site's whose purpose is to inform consumers about games? There's a reason not everyone gets paid to make video game content. And this is what Polygon is quickly becoming (fully), a site that just throws out the first piece of content it can scramble together for clicks. They don't have to make the game look good if it isn't, but they actually have to try and give an indication of what the game is like. This video should be a comedy outtake, not labelled as a gameplay video, and Polygon is well aware of this considering the disabled comments and like/dislike, they just don't give a damn as they got their video out quick and money started flowing. The fact that Polygon still has influence in the gaming industry with this kind of content is bizarre and should be called out upon because it provides no use to anyone (at least with it's current labeling).
To give them some credit, they have uploaded a new video with someone who understands how controllers work (yes, this is a thing we now commend Polygon for), but it still doesn't negate they went for clicks first while other groups were actually putting together informative content about the game.
gunslikewhoa
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I don't think you're watching the same video as everyone else.
*edit* I just realized that you were actually discussing a different video.
OverBlood 3
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It's like entering the twilight zone isn't it.
You can know about games but not be great at playing them.
Edit: that said, you need to at least play as an average person. There is certainly a certain basic skill level. But it should be pretty basic.
Arun1910
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How can you review difficulty or how well mechanics work if you spend 10 minutes trying to pull them off?
crazy monkey
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Most of the people who play videogames are Casual players. This i think is how many will play game. I do not hace problem with this.
This reminds me of nonsense situations like when publications such as Eurogamer have the self confessed "shit at racing games" guy make gameplay videos and I believe, do reviews, of some racing games. What's the point?
There's a diversion here between reviewing something for the masses or reviewing for the people who are into a particular genre. I think games reviewing needs to be more transparent about this. Indeed I think sometimes taking a review out of the hands of just one individual. It should be a shared thing split across people with varying skill levels and interest in that particular type of game.
It's like me reviewing a real time strategy game and just saying it's shit because I'm crap at them, that review doesn't help anybody, same as if a complete racing game novice reviewed Dirt Rally and hated it because he keeps flying off the road and it's not fun (for him), because he has no understanding or natural skill at racing games.
Ultimately an RTS should be reviewed by someone who understands them and has some competence at them. A driving game the same, and yes FPS also. If the Doom reviewer plays the game like this then I really wouldn't feel that review had much to say.
There's a diversion here between reviewing something for the masses or reviewing for the people who are into a particular genre. I think games reviewing needs to be more transparent about this. Indeed I think sometimes taking a review out of the hands of just one individual. It should be a shared thing split across people with varying skill levels and interest in that particular type of game.
It's like me reviewing a real time strategy game and just saying it's shit because I'm crap at them, that review doesn't help anybody, same as if a complete racing game novice reviewed Dirt Rally and hated it because he keeps flying off the road and it's not fun (for him), because he has no understanding or natural skill at racing games.
Ultimately an RTS should be reviewed by someone who understands them and has some competence at them. A driving game the same, and yes FPS also. If the Doom reviewer plays the game like this then I really wouldn't feel that review had much to say.
You can understand the mechanics, or talk about other stuff about the game. But I edited my comment to clarify that some basic skill should exist. But I think that every review can be interesting depending on the angle it takes.
Basic skill, absolutely. If I've seen that video and nothing else I'd never buy the game. Certainly not on PS4.
lowrider007
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I'm still not sure what all the fuss is about if the guy playing in the video isn't the reviewer, if this was any other site it would be a non issue or a few lols at best.
Lmao
lmao
GunslingerVit
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Final verdict. LMAO
Sun Bather
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I usually dismiss the idea, of reviewers needing to be good at the games. But... Does this person even have hands? Looks like he is controlling with his mouth.
GunslingerVit
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Gold!
orthodoxy1095
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Oh shiiiiietttt
That's the first thing I thought of too.
Tomeru
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Yet its not another site.
Japanmanx3
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Thread delivering.
Punchy4486
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It would've been just a few lols if the Polygon defense force didn't com me in here trying to insist that it's not funny and not a big deal and perfectly normal.
bizzarewars
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Oh my goodness this footage is hilarious. I think I like Polygon more than a lot of people on GAF but this is just too funny.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Arthur Gies? Yuck, the review will be even worse then.
Or paw!
Ulysses 31
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That Giant Bomb Quicklook
For those not willing to watch an hour long video, what's wrong with it?
80s Bad Guy
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I, for one, am interested to know how misogynous Doom guy is.
I'm watching the beginning and it seems absolutely fine.That Giant Bomb Quicklook
What do you find wrong with it?
Breakfast at Noon
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That gif is about 40 seconds into the game.
Maybe they have not turned inverted on yet or just adjusting?
No one on here picks up a new game and are shit hot from the word go. True most are not that bad, but I think this is been a tad pathetic here.
Maybe they have not turned inverted on yet or just adjusting?
No one on here picks up a new game and are shit hot from the word go. True most are not that bad, but I think this is been a tad pathetic here.
BigTnaples
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Fuck.
More Fun To Compute
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I don't understand the problem. This is what all console controller FPS gameplay looks like compared to mouse and k/b gameplay.
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