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[giga]

Here's the TRUTH:

Hillary Clinton has 1,812 Delegates
Bernie Sanders has 1,512 Delegates

2,383 delegates are needed

With 6 states + DC remaining, 813 delegates are still outstanding including those from California - the largest state in the country.

Super-delegates DO NOT count until July. Counting them now would be like counting the polls for California tomorrow. They vote on July 25th and are not official until then.

It is despicable that in an attempt to thwart what would happen tomorrow in California that super-delegates are being counted and Hillary Clinton is being called the winner.

- Shaun King

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...ed-obama-clinton-formally-exited-race-n586556

y'all being played like a fiddle.

 

[Tubie]

I guess what i'm not grasping is, because of the Superdelegates she's been the presumptive nominee for a while.

And I'm just not following why it's suddenly a big deal.

Hillary started with a huge superdelegate lead in 2008 too.

Once it was clear that the voters preferred Obama, a lot of them switched to him.

If the revolution was real then Sanders would be ahead right now.

 

[Nipo]

Can't wait for that speech later tonight after Jersey is called. With her clinching and Bams joining in very soon, it's gonna be a hell of a fun week for Dems.

And most importantly, we can finally ignore Bernard for good. He and his supporters can make a stink all he wants about contesting this or that but it doesn't matter one bit anymore. He has zero leverage and no one needs to bend over backwards to placate their bitter and idiotic sentiments. This election can easily be won without them. Bye!

Sure you can ignore him but why provoke him to running third party or write in? Which of bernies policies do you hate so much you don't want to see the DNC incorporate into the platform? Universal health care?

 

[SaviourMK2]

Hillary started with a huge superdelegate lead in 2008 too.

Once it was clear that the voters preferred Obama, a lot of them switched to him.

But isn't the idea of a presumptive nominee to be the one who everyone presumes will be the nominee?
Which is what Hillary has been from the start? She was the Presumptive nominee in 2008 too but that didn't happen.

And now that she's the presumptive nominee now Bernie is done for?

 

[Pixieking]

I guess what i'm not grasping is, because of the Superdelegates she's been the presumptive nominee for a while.

And I'm just not following why it's suddenly a big deal.

More super-delegates have come out for her recently (like, in the past week), and she won Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands over the weekend.

 

[Wafflecakes]

I guess what i'm not grasping is, because of the Superdelegates she's been the presumptive nominee for a while.

And I'm just not following why it's suddenly a big deal.

No she wasn't. Even counting supers she was slightly short on delegates before.

 

[Jacksinthe]

He has rarely responded to me when I confront him, that I can say.

It's "that I can tell you".

You can't hide from GAF, Mr. Trump. We are on to you!

 

[giga]

I guess what i'm not grasping is, because of the Superdelegates she's been the presumptive nominee for a while.

And I'm just not following why it's suddenly a big deal.

Nope. She only passed that magic number last night.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

More super-delegates have come out for her recently (like, in the past week), and she won Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands over the weekend.

Side note. I find it ridiculous that Puerto Rico has a primary election but can't directly vote for in the general election in November and has no voting representation in Congress. Make it a state already!

 

[Tubie]

But isn't the idea of a presumptive nominee to be the one who everyone presumes will be the nominee?
Which is what Hillary has been from the start? She was the Presumptive nominee in 2008 too but that didn't happen.

And now that she's the presumptive nominee now Bernie is done for?

She has not been there from the start.

Favored? sure!

After super Tuesday it was almost certain tho.

Bernie simply had a good run of states that favored him demographically and that made some people think it was closer than it ever really was.

 

[Brinbe]

Sure you can ignore him but why provoke him to running third party or write in? Which of bernies policies do you hate so much you don't want to see the DNC incorporate into the platform? Universal health care?

LOL Come on. Who's really been provoking things during the last few months? All I said is he's to be ignored now, which is ultimately necessary because there's a Donald that needs defeating in November. That's the focus, as it should be.

I didn't say anything about agitating him or talking down to him or his supporters. But the time for bending over backwards is over. They're either on-board or not at this point. They're either getting on this train now or not. There's no time to waste in destroying the GOP/Trump. The real pivot starts tonight.

Furthermore, if Bernard wants to run third party (which I doubt he will) more power to him I guess? He'll be destroying his own legacy and wiping out a lot of the goodwill he's gained over the past year, but let Bernie do Bernie.

And I don't understand. Which of Bernie's policies aren't already in the DNC party platform? They may not go as far as he may want, but they're there. It's not as if the party hasn't been headed in a progressive direction over the past eight years regardless of Bernie. I know he enjoys casting her as an establishment shill sucking at the teat of wall street/big business, but get beyond the caricature and she's as progressive as he is.

 

[Pixieking]

Side note. I find it ridiculous that Puerto Rico has a primary election but can't directly vote for in the general election in November and has no voting representation in Congress. Make it a state already!

Yeah, given their financial meltdown, it's a pretty unjust situation to allow.

 

[Rayis]

I welcome our first female president with open arms

 

[sturgboski]

Yeah, given their financial meltdown, it's a pretty unjust situation to allow.

If what the people I worked with while I was down there said it's true, its that the local government likes it how it is as it allows them to be corrupt with no real checks compared to if they were a US state. Taxi driver pointed me to a wind turbine that cost PR a large sum of cash that was built in the worst area to actually harness any wind power as a sign of the corruption as the man in charge at the time awarded the contract to a friend of his who delivered huge kickbacks.

Edit: There also could be nationalist pride among the general population as well.

 

[Busty]

For some reason, I doubt this is the last we'll be seeing of Bernie at any rate

I think he'll turn up in a post credits scene after Hilary's inauguration.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

If what the people I worked with while I was down there said it's true, its that the local government likes it how it is as it allows them to be corrupt with no real checks compared to if they were a US state. Taxi driver pointed me to a wind turbine that cost PR a large sum of cash that was built in the worst area to actually harness any wind power as a sign of the corruption as the man in charge at the time awarded the contract to a friend of his who delivered huge kickbacks.

Edit: There also could be nationalist pride among the general population as well.

A significant plurality of Puerto Rico wants to be a state. Being a state would help fight the corruption and open up Puerto Rico to federal grants to improve its economy.

 

[thefro]

I love how people from other countries are so quick to judge us, when actual primaries like we have in the US are a rare thing worldwide.

In most European democracies the parties just pick what candidate they think is best with little or no input from the people.

Yeah, Obama beating Clinton for the nomination in 2008 would have been impossible in most European countries.

 

[xenist]

Wow who could've seen this coming.

I am absolutely shocked.

Shocked!

 

[flkraven]

3. Sanders or Trump will get my vote this fall period

Not being from America, this is the most confusing sentence to me. Not only do they share no common ground, they are literal polar opposites. Trump is literally the 1% throwing money at politicians that Bernie is rallying against.

 

[Tenebrous]

Gender aside, she's such a non-interesting choice. Don't see anything other than the status-quo coming from her, which to be fair is still better than Trump's insanity & (probably still better than) Bernie's uncertainty.

 

[Cheebo]

1. As far as Sanders goes, it is not over until it is over.

2. I don't have to defend anything.

3. Sanders or Trump will get my vote this fall period, of that I am certain, and it shouldn't matter who I vote for, as it shouldn't matter who you vote for, and it shouldn't matter whomever anyone else in this thread votes for. We all have different views and needs, and we can continue having that without needless added separation or hate. Yes, like others on this forum, I am waiting to see what happens comes DNC time. I've no shame in that, and it's no reason to hate.

It does matter because Trump is a blatant RACIST. And any supporter of his are just as guilty of racism as Trump himself by endorsing him and actively trying to elect him. If you vote Trump then you are endorsing kicking hispanics out of the country and banning muslims from coming here.

So yes by supporting Trump this fall you will be seen as an anti-Hispanic anti-Muslim racist to many people regardless if you want to be or not.

If that doesn't bother you then have at it. Come November 2016 you'll identity online will be something along the lines of "Oh Huelen? You mean that poster who doesn't care about Hispanics?".

You don't have to defend your support for racism, but don't be surprised when people will constantly call you out on it in political threads.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Not being from America, this is the most confusing sentence to me. Not only do they share no common ground, they are literal polar opposites. Trump is literally the 1% throwing money at politicians that Bernie is rallying against.

There are like 10 different personalities that live inside Huelen.

 

[Tubie]

There are like 10 different personalities that live inside Huelen.

I don't think so, he just hates having to defend his many positions.

 

[Maledict]

Hillary started with a huge superdelegate lead in 2008 too.

Once it was clear that the voters preferred Obama, a lot of them switched to him.

If the revolution was real then Sanders would be ahead right now.

Actually they didn't. Only about 30 super delegates switched before she conceded. She has a MUCH larger number of super delegates this time around - a lot more held off endorsing last time because it was a much more competitive primary.

 

[alr1ght]

Stop getting sucked into the Huelen vortex in every thread.

 

[Cheebo]

I don't think so, he just hates having to defend his many positions.

He went from Ben Carson to Bernie Sanders to Donald Trump.

Stop getting sucked into the Huelen vortex in every thread.

I think the only way to get Huelen to stop at this point is calling out her consistent support of blatant racist and anti-Muslim candidates.

Something Ben Carson and Donald Trump have in common were their extreme anti-Muslim views. It is pretty fair to paint Huelen with that same brush at this point based on her political views and support.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

Pretty sure he was a Carson fan at one point too.

Person who will vote for Trump in the fall wants to hold different views without added seperation or hate.

It's all kinds of amazing and ridiculous.

I'm convinced Huelen is just a bot that spills a bunch of shitposts from various parts of the internet. Like that Twitter experiment thing, but just on NeoGAF.

Anytime that dude is confronted with the fact that he has no idea what he's talking about politically, or feels even slightly uncomfortable, it defaults to OPINIONS BRO despite wanting to discuss those same opinions.

Hell, in a previous topic, dude was trying to pretend like he was so against antisemitism. You can find that one on your own, but it's cute how he wants to preach peace but proudly supports Trump (instead of being smart and voting third party - his words).



Ivory tower.

Don't forget that Huelen is also a queer jew. Why a double minority would vote for the King of the Racists and Homophobes is beyond me.

I'm still confused on how the fuck you go to trump from sanders. Literal opposite on the political spectrum this race. It's like none of their platforms even come into the equation.

photoshopping a rainbow on your avatar is easy, understanding politics is hard

Huelen is whatever he or she needs to be at the moment to fit the other side of the conversation, even if that disrupts the canon.

He has rarely responded to me when I confront him, that I can say.

fixed



that's what happens when your arguments are untenable

i did have a huge laugh at the one thread where he was confronted and stopped posting saying he was "too emotionally compromised" to respond to any criticisms ������

Please raise your hand if you still take Huelen's posts seriously and don't believe he's a troll because I have a bridge to sell you.

Well, mods don't believe he's a troll and I honestly don't think he is.

I honestly gave the dude the benefit of a doubt for a really long time but there's just no way someone is as ridiculous and irrational as he is, and with such consistency.

I still enjoy their posts. I know they're a troll, but lmao, what a wild ride. Going from Carson to Sanders to Trump.

That's when you stop responding. He's either A) a troll, or B) an unconfessed racist, misogynist, and xenophobe. Whatever it is, there's no point in giving him attention because neither deserves it.

It does matter because Trump is a blatant RACIST. And any supporter of his are just as guilty of racism as Trump himself by endorsing him and actively trying to elect him. If you vote Trump then you are endorsing kicking hispanics out of the country and banning muslims from coming here.

So yes by supporting Trump this fall you will be seen as an anti-Hispanic anti-Muslim racist to many people regardless if you want to be or not.

If that doesn't bother you then have at it. Come November 2016 you'll identity online will be something along the lines of "Oh Huelen? You mean that poster who doesn't care about Hispanics?".

You don't have to defend your support for racism, but don't be surprised when people will constantly call you out on it in political threads.

Not being from America, this is the most confusing sentence to me. Not only do they share no common ground, they are literal polar opposites. Trump is literally the 1% throwing money at politicians that Bernie is rallying against.

1. You are not a troll.

2. You will get called out on your support of Trump if you wish to participate in this forum.

3. You basically can't come into a discussion forum and tell everyone you are voting for a racist and not expect people to call you out on it.

4. You will be defending a known bigot for 6 months.

Yes, it should matter who you vote for. Voting for a racist means you are at the very least indifferent to racism.

I mean yeah, but that does not mean that people cannot call you out on who you are voting for or what your views are if you air them in public. If I knew someone who voted for David Duke, I'd hold their feet to the fire and figure out just what the hell is wrong with that person.

How can you vote for Sanders or Trump ? They're just complete opposites, policy wise.

There are like 10 different personalities that live inside Huelen.

I don't think so, he just hates having to defend his many positions.

He went from Ben Carson to Bernie Sanders to Donald Trump.

 

[Ambient80]

So what sort of numbers does Hillary need to post to get the pledged delegate overall majority? Is it possible to reach it at all? Just wondering.

 

[Tubie]

Stop getting sucked into the Huelen vortex in every thread.

No dude, he should absolutely be challenged if he says something you don't agree with.

This is what forums are made for.

 

[Cheebo]

No dude, he should absolutely be challenged if he says something you don't agree with.

This is what forums are made for.

It is hard to ignore when Huelen is happily embracing racism and banning Muslims, That shit isn't funny. "lololol joke character" doesn't work when one is happily spewing endorsements for race based policies.

So what sort of numbers does Hillary need to post to get the pledged delegate lead? Is it possible to reach it at all? Just wondering.

Eh? She has a massive lead in just pledged delegates already.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

So what sort of numbers does Hillary need to post to get the pledged delegate lead? Is it possible to reach it at all? Just wondering.

It's definitely possible, I can say that much. Looking at how many delegates are left and how many Hillary already has, decent numbers should definitely do it tomorrow.

No dude, he should absolutely be challenged if he says something you don't agree with.

This is what forums are made for.

I don't disagree, but like 1/3 of the most recent posts in this topic have been replies to or posts about HUELEN.

 

[Tubie]

It is hard to ignore when Huelen is happily embracing racism and banning Muslims, That shit isn't funny. "lololol joke character" doesn't work when one is happily spewing endorsements for race based policies.



Eh? She has a massive lead in just pledged delegates already.

Then you call him out on that.

Just like any Trump supporter that might surface.

 

[metalslimer]

Huelen understands how terrible trump is and just doesn't care so stop bothering with her

 

[jon bones]

It is hard to ignore when Huelen is happily embracing racism and banning Muslims, That shit isn't funny. "lololol joke character" doesn't work when one is happily spewing endorsements for race based policies.

the racism & Islamophobic thing at least i understand - lots of people have bigoted opinions but at least they are honest with themselves about it.

it's his repeated attempts at pretending he cares about the gay community that warrant some poking.

 

[Ambient80]

It is hard to ignore when Huelen is happily embracing racism and banning Muslims, That shit isn't funny. "lololol joke character" doesn't work when one is happily spewing endorsements for race based policies.



Eh? She has a massive lead in just pledged delegates already.

Lol I mean the overall majority my bad. I require coffee.

 

[Cheebo]

the racism & Islamophobic thing at least i understand - lots of people have bigoted opinions but at least they are honest with themselves about it.

it's his repeated attempts at pretending he cares about the gay community that warrant some poking.

Yeah. Endorsing policies to harm gay people then claim to be pro-gay is laughable. It's like being a black person who claims to support the black community but happily supporting candidates who would want to re-segregate schools and remove Civil Rights legislation.

 

[Tubie]

I'm sorry, but I will at least try to understand why someone would vote for a bigot like Trump.

Even if that person happens to be Huelen.

 

[Cheebo]

I'm sorry, but I will at least try to understand why someone would vote for a bigot like Trump.

Even if that person happens to be Huelen.

Trumps entire campaign was based off racism towards Hispanics. That's the origin and what got him going. Hating on Hispanics and Muslims is the only policy he has even been remotely consistent about all campaign. Any supporter of his is going to have to deal with that association. Huelen or otherwise.

 

[metalslimer]

I'm sorry, but I will at least try to understand why someone would vote for a bigot like Trump.

Even if that person happens to be Huelen.

I'm saying we've been through this before. She will make some statement about how bad trump is when he does something despicable and go right back to supporting him. She doesn't care because to be honest like most people supporting him she's not a good person.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I'm sorry, but I will at least try to understand why someone would vote for a bigot like Trump.

Even if that person happens to be Huelen.

You'll have a better chance at understanding quantum mechanics than HUELEN I'm afraid. They are on some nondimensional level of interpretation.

 

[Y2Kev]

Despite her great achievement already being sealed up, I voted for the queen about 40 minutes ago. Feels good man!

 

[Tubie]

Despite her great achievement already being sealed up, I voted for the queen about 40 minutes ago. Feels good man!

Omg so you voted 3 times?

FRAUD!!!!!

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Jill Stein must be fuming. Only a few news places are reporting this as "first woman nominee from a major party." Nearly all of them are dropping the "from a major party" part.

Haha

 

[jon bones]

Despite her great achievement already being sealed up, I voted for the queen about 40 minutes ago. Feels good man!

just imagine how good it will feel in Nov

 

[HUELEN10]

Despite her great achievement already being sealed up, I voted for the queen about 40 minutes ago. Feels good man!

How busy were the polls? With the news and media talking about the presumptive won yesterday, how busy were the polls today? I'm curious.

 

[Ishan]

I love how people from other countries are so quick to judge us, when actual primaries like we have in the US are a rare thing worldwide.

In most European democracies the parties just pick what candidate they think is best with little or no input from the people.

True but also parliamentary system vs predidential multiple party etc etc both systems have pros and cons

 

[danm999]

Jill Stein must be fuming. Only a few news places are reporting this as "first woman nominee from a major party." Nearly all of them are dropping the "from a major party" part.

Haha

Especially since it's not the first time she's been the Green Party nominee!

 

[mrklaw]

that's how to demonstrate how much your vote counts - get a bunch of superdelegates to jump to your side and announce you suddenly have enough for the nomination the day before any of the dirty public gets to vote.

why do superdelegates exist?

 

[Tubie]

True but also parliamentary system vs predidential multiple party etc etc both systems have pros and cons

I honestly love the system we have right now.

It gave us the first black president.

It will give us the first female president.

The democratic party deserves a lot more credit than people give it online.

 

[danm999]

that's how to demonstrate how much your vote counts - get a bunch of superdelegates to jump to your side and announce you suddenly have enough for the nomination the day before any of the dirty public gets to vote.

why do superdelegates exist?

You seem confused about what actually happened here.

Clinton didn't tell them to do anything. The AP kept contacting superdelegates until they had confirmed such a number alongside Clinton's recent wins in the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico that they could scoop everybody before the NJ and California primaries. In all honestly the Clinton campaign would have wanted to wait for the "dirty public" to vote.