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[knkng]

Guilty by suspicion? That wouldn't set any particularly good precedents. He had not been charged with anything.

But that program is already in place regarding other topics, such as the No-Fly designation.

 

[orochi91]

I care only marginally what his motivation is or his beliefs are or where he got the idea from

At the end of the day, he got the idea to kill, EASILY and LEGALLY purchased the killing machines necessary for his idea, then went and did it

You can't regulate ideas, but you can regulate killing machines

+1

Well said.

 

[holygeesus]

I can pledge to the cause of ISIS before I eat a sandwich. His ex-wife described him as not being particularly religious, a devout muslim he does not appear to be

Come on. He had contact with someone who killed 30 people in a suicide attack in Syria. He was interviewed twice by federal agents. There has been a major flaw in intelligence surveillance it seems if he bought guns in the past few days.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Yes, scrap the 2nd amendment and while were at it, lets also a scrap the 1st amendment so racists, homophobes and islamaphobes get put in jail along with people with guns.

RIP to the victims.

Not all Americans have the right to own guns. If enforcing restrictions on gun ownership is scrapping it, then literally all people (who aren't ruled out by the wording of the second amendment) should be allowed to own guns. Does the second amendment make exceptions for inmates?

 

[linkboy]

No, There are a ton of us who are right politically but every time we speak up we are told to fuck ourselves or many of us have gotten banned. I will stand with any peaceful Muslim as would any other sane American.

Gun control in the United States is a pipe dream, most citizens who are told to give up their weapons would kindly tell the government to fuck off. If you want gun control than by all means call a convention of the states and change the constitution. That is the protocol but it is very hard to do and for good reason.

Gun control will not curtail hate, I grew up in a state where a man killed almost 200 people with a uhaul and some fertilizer. I will not give up my right to protect myself and my family for control measures that will not work.

Because we all know how great Gun control has been for Detroit and Chicago.

Gun control does not equal a ban on guns, so take that NRA talking point and throw it in the trash

Ask yourself why it's easier to buy a gun then it is to buy a car.

 

[fin]

Here's what it takes to buy a car

1) You need a driver's license. To get a driver's license, you have to take a driver's test to show that you're capable of driving a car.

2) Have proof of insurance. You legally cannot drive a car without it.

3) Register your car with the state.

Here's what it takes to buy a firearm (it varies by state, to be fair, but this is the easiest)

1) Purchase said firearm

2) Wait the required time for the background check

3) Take said firearm

There's not license to ensure that you're qualified. The govt doesn't keep tabs on what happens to the gun after the purchase.

That's insane. Up here in Canada it's a difficult process to even get a non-restricted PAL. Which is a hunting class license. We also have a restricted class license for more dangerous firearms only used for target shooting (like hand guns).

Thoughts out to Americans, hope you get this shit figured out.

 

[Team Alucard]

Why do people interpret a stricter background check for guns as "banning all guns"?

Because the politicians advocating for stricter gun control absolutely do want to ban guns, they just know that to come out in favor of a total ban would be political suicide, so they water down their rhetoric. Obama/Hillary/Reid, etc would all ban guns in an instant if they thought they could get away with it.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I care only marginally what his motivation is or his beliefs are or where he got the idea from

At the end of the day, he got the idea to kill, EASILY and LEGALLY purchased the killing machines necessary for his idea, then went and did it

You can't regulate ideas, but you can regulate killing machines

It really is that simple.

There's no reason we don't have better gun regulation. I say that as an owner of multiple semi-auto handguns (Springfield XD45, XD40c, FN Herstal Five seveN) and a revolver (.38). Whatever limitations they need to implement, ID/thumbprint systems they need to put on the grips, owner tracking and paperwork changes they need to do, magazine capacity reductions deemed appropriate, and annual fees that need to be paid to support the programs, I'm all about it.

Because the politicians advocating for stricter gun control absolutely do want to ban guns, they just know that to come out in favor of a total ban would be political suicide, so they water down their rhetoric. Obama/Hillary/Reid, etc would all ban guns in an instant if they thought they could get away with it.

lol.

It seems there are lots of scared people in this thread which is heartbreaking. Perhaps more than death, fear and terror is what the perpetrators want to cause. Please do not let this act stop you from being yourself or doing what you want to do. For perspective, around 90 people die in fatal car accidents in the US every day, but as citizens, we cannot let that statistic rule our lives.

This was a despicable act and we should continue to spend our time mourning the victims and praying for their families. But we should be level headed; we cannot let the perpetrators of such acts take charge of us.

We should take the opportunity to improve ourselves and make our country safer for everyone. That means better gun control regulation and enforcement.

 

[Milly Osworth]

Kinda strange the emphasis on ISIS is weaker when an attack happens in the US compared to Europe.

 

[bootsthecat]

But that program is already in place regarding other topics, such as the No-Fly designation.

I'll admit I'm not familiar, are there many folks on TSA no-fly lists that have only been 'investigated' with no subsequent charges filed?

 

[A Link to the Past]

It really is that simple.

There's no reason we don't have better gun regulation. I say that as an owner of multiple semi-auto handguns (Spring XD45, XD40c, FN Herstal Five seveN) and a revolver (.38). Whatever limitations they need to implement, ID/thumbprint systems they need to put on the grips, owner tracking and paperwork changes they need to do, magazine capacity reductions deemed appropriate, I'm all about it.

I really despise every human who has ever been complicit in why we don't have thumbprint systems to prevent illegal firearm use and to prevent people from bypassing waiting periods and background checks.

 

[Toxi]

I care only marginally what his motivation is or his beliefs are or where he got the idea from

At the end of the day, he got the idea to kill, EASILY and LEGALLY purchased the killing machines necessary for his idea, then went and did it

You can't regulate ideas, but you can regulate killing machines

Seriously.

 

[echoshifting]

Kinda strange the emphasis on ISIS is weaker when an attack happens in the US compared to Europe.

Well,

1) The link is much weaker in this case, at least it appears to be right now

and

2) If you actually look at news websites you will see that many of them are playing up the ISIS angle quite a bit, in fact. Look at CNN right now.

 

[Blader]

Because the politicians advocating for stricter gun control absolutely do want to ban guns, they just know that to come out in favor of a total ban would be political suicide, so they water down their rhetoric. Obama/Hillary/Reid, etc would all ban guns in an instant if they thought they could get away with it.

You're projecting.

 

[Team Alucard]

Kinda strange the emphasis on ISIS is weaker when an attack happens in the US compared to Europe.

Ehh, not really. When it comes to GAF the main emphasis in terror attack discussions is usually "failed integration", then Islamophobia, and then ISIS.

 

[EatinOlives]

Only in America can a person with the express intent to commit mass murder go to and legally buy the very a weapon he uses to commit mass murder and with next to no check in place.

And only in America are some people more concerned about the fact that people shouldn't all talk about the ease of buying that weapon


It's dead fucking simple. We're not the first country to have guns, and we're not the first country to have suffered mass shootings. But we ARE the first country to repeatedly bury our heads in the sand and insist that there's simply nothing to be done because a multi-hundred year old document with outdated rules tells us so. A document that was, by the way, written with the express purpose to be able to be altered as the country saw fit.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Kinda strange the emphasis on ISIS is weaker when an attack happens in the US compared to Europe.

It's because mass shootings are more common in the US. Also the ISIS ties are looking a lot weaker than the Paris attacks. And the weapons used in Paris were smuggled in from eastern europe, not bought legally from a local shop. Hence the gun control discussion.

 

[Imperial Bishop]

I would say "what the fuck is wrong with people?", but I've been through that numerous times already.

Absolutely sad. 50 lives gone because of one bigot shit-stain.

 

[Pndomo]

Idk about banning guns. I live in a pretty terrible neighborhood and banning guns would just give more power to the criminals here.

Edit: Not to mention I like going to gun ranges and stuff.

 

[devilhawk]

Deadliest terrorist attack on US soil ever
Deadliest mass shooting ever
Deadliest hate crime in modern history.

All have one thing in common. All from a population that makes up well under 1% of the total population of citizens, immigrants, and visitors of the US. The dangers that the radicalized elements can not continue to be dismissed. The violent hate of gays that is widespread worldwide from this religion is too often dismissed and downplayed.

 

[thehypocrite]

RIP. I hope for the recovery of all the wounded and that they can have their normal lives back. I give my condolences to the families of all the ones that perished and wish they never have to live through this again, that they can find peace and not have their lives destroyed by the lost they've experienced.

We need to be better humans to one another, this it's just too much senseless violence.

 

[Team Alucard]

Deadliest terrorist attack on US ever.

Wat

 

[Poltergust]

This situation also brought another ugly thing to light: gay people are banned from donating blood if they had sex within a year. I know of the law, but I also heard that it was at least waived for today from several news sources this early afternoon.

Turns out that was false. I'm still barred from donating blood simply because I had sex with my boyfriend recently.

I'm really upset right now. I can't do anything to help because of who I am. The irony in this situation is disgusting.

 

[EatinOlives]

I would say "what the fuck is wrong with people?", but I've been through that numerous times already.

Absolutely sad. 50 lives gone because of one bigot shit-stain.

That, and countless other shit stains more worried about preserving his "right" to own a gun than what he did with it.

 

[Audioboxer]

First person I ever put on my ignore list gets banned ~10 minutes later. Nice work.

Mods are watching this topic closely for sure. I reported a disgusting post many pages back and member is now gone. Sucks people use something as tragic for this to attack others. Many. people. died. Innocent people.

 

[Pndomo]

Deadliest terrorist attack on US soil ever
Deadliest mass shooting ever
Deadliest hate crime in modern history.

All have one thing in common. All from a population that makes up well under 1% of the total population of citizens, immigrants, and visitors of the US.

Yikes. What are you implying?

 

[SparkleMotion]

Wat

He's talking about 9/11

 

[FyreWulff]

Deadliest terrorist attack on US soil ever

Nope, for domestic that's still OKC, and for foreign that's still 9/11.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Deadliest terrorist attack on US soil ever
Deadliest mass shooting ever
Deadliest hate crime in modern history.

All have one thing in common. All from a population that makes up well under 1% of the total population of citizens, immigrants, and visitors of the US.

What happens when you ask who commits the majority of mass shootings

Who would you say that is

Is the answer white people

 

[bootsthecat]

Idk about banning guns. I live in a pretty terrible neighborhood and banning guns would just give more power to the criminals here.

That's one of the more legitimate arguments against outright gun bans. It would do nothing for unregistered weapons, which likely count in the tens of millions. You'd leave law abiding folks powerless.

 

[Goodstyle]

Nope, for domestic that's still OKC, and for foreign that's still 9/11.

He was referring to 9/11. The entire post is a "common denominator" argument against Islam.

 

[devilhawk]

Nope, for domestic that's still OKC, and for foreign that's still 9/11.

The deadliest terror attack is 9/11. Correct.

 

[ugaboga232]

Yikes. What are you implying?

29 year olds must be brought to heel.

 

[DavidDesu]

Deadliest terrorist attack on US soil ever
Deadliest mass shooting ever
Deadliest hate crime in modern history.

All have one thing in common. All from a population that makes up well under 1% of the total population of citizens, immigrants, and visitors of the US.

How many murders from mass shootings committed by Christian (white) fundamentalists. The total number of deaths might surprise you.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I really despise every human who has ever been complicit in why we don't have thumbprint systems to prevent illegal firearm use and to prevent people from bypassing waiting periods and background checks.

agreed. Yea, it may increase the cost of the firearms, but boo-fucking-hoo. Firearms with some sort of thumb or grip-print system that only unlocks for the owner and those who the owner has registered to use the firearm seem like a win for everyone. Owners who "lose" their gun don't have to worry about being liable for it being used in a crime later, owners don't have to worry about their kid accidentally shooting themselves or another child with it, etc. Shit just feels like common sense. Considering most firearms used in crime were illegally obtained, it seems like an easy win. I'm sure the NRA would suggest otherwise, though. Because reasons.

 

[orochi91]

Deadliest terrorist attack on US soil ever
Deadliest mass shooting ever
Deadliest hate crime in modern history.

All have one thing in common. All from a population that makes up well under 1% of the total population of citizens, immigrants, and visitors of the US.

~6000 have died so far in 2016 from gun related deaths.

What's common denominator there?

Stop beating around the bush like some closet bigot and just say what you want outright.

 

[Diffense]

All of the Abrahamic religions have proven themselves to be a boil on the ass of humanity. Alongside some of the worst atrocities in human history (slavery, colonialism, anti-semitism), you can find them there condoning the acts. If there's a demon or a devil, billions unwittingly serve him.

After I left organized religion, I still considered that everyone had the right to believe what they want. The problem is that, at their core, Abrahamic religions are thinly veiled political statements that dwell on issues of dominion and rulership OF THE WHOLE EARTH (heck Universe). Thefore adherents often have an annoying and dangerous tendency to seek to make THEIR beliefs YOUR business.

While this is not the central appeal to all adherents, it does represent the core of those religions and ignoring those aspects essentially neuter them. That's why the "radical" and "fundamentalist" elements can rightly chastise the "moderates". The moderates have to ignore a whole lot of their religion so as to not look batshit insane in a modern secular society.

Zyklon B was deadly, but it was Nazism that put it to use as a tool for genocide. I'm no big fan of guns but the ideology was the core issue here.

 

[devilhawk]

How many murders from mass shootings committed by Christian (white) fundamentalists. The total number of deaths might surprise you.

Point of my post isn't about total events, just about the worst single event of each type

 

[Gallbaro]

This situation also brought another ugly thing to light: gay people are banned from donating blood if they had sex within a year. I know of the law, but I also heard that it was at least waived for today from several news sources this early afternoon.

Turns out that was false. I'm still barred from donating blood simply because I had sex with my boyfriend recently.

I'm really upset right now. I can't do anything to help because of who I am. The irony in this situation is disgusting.

You are statistically significantly much more likely to have AIDS/HIV. Combine that with the odds of general supply accident and frankly your blood is not worth it. It has nothing to do with discrimination, it has everything to do with qualified best practices to insuring the safety of the blood supply.

 

[Chmpocalypse]

The deadliest terror attack is 9/11. Correct.

OKC was also a terrorist act.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Deadliest terrorist attack on US soil ever
Deadliest mass shooting ever
Deadliest hate crime in modern history.

All have one thing in common. All from a population that makes up well under 1% of the total population of citizens, immigrants, and visitors of the US.

So you're an Islamophobe?

 

[RoKKeR]

I just woke up and saw the update figures...

I'm not really sure what to say. Horrific, tragic, infuriating.

 

[echoshifting]

That's one of the more legitimate arguments against outright gun bans. It would do nothing for unregistered weapons, which likely count in the tens of millions. You'd leave law abiding folks powerless.

Very few people in here are talking about an outright ban. Most of them appear to be driveby posts anyway.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Point of my post isn't about total events, just about the worst single event of each type

Ah, so essentially each mass shooting counts for zero to the next one

How convenient!

No, I do not plan to acknowledge your arbitrary rule system. So this is the worst mass shooting then, huh? Should that mean we should ignore that if you're in a mass shooting, it's almost always going to be a white guy?

 

[Toxi]

Zyklon B was deadly, but it was Nazism that put it to use as a tool for genocide. I'm no big fan of guns but the ideology was the core issue here.

Tell me what religious ideology killed people at Virginia Tech.

Or Sandy Hook.

Or Auraria.

Guns are the problem in the US. This murderer wasn't able to kill 50 people because of religious ideology, he was able to do it because he could easily and legally purchase guns and then use them days later. We can't control murderers' thoughts, but we sure as hell can control their means of killing people.

 

[holygeesus]

It's because mass shootings are more common in the US. Also the ISIS ties are looking a lot weaker than the Paris attacks. And the weapons used in Paris were smuggled in from eastern europe, not bought legally from a local shop. Hence the gun control discussion.

The two things are related though. From an organisation perspective, it makes more sense to deploy more hardcore, connected ISIS agents to Europe, as even acquiring weaponry is a big deal, whereas you can incite fringe members to commit horrific acts in the US because acquiring said weapons is so much easier, even if being tracked by the FBI. It makes sense to deploy your more specialist agents to where they are needed most.

 

[Ri'Orius]

Point of my post isn't about total events, just about the worst single event of each type

And how exactly did you happen to choose the metric that vilifies Muslims instead of any other metric?

 

[Jmanunknown]

The United States has over 350 million + guns already on the street. It's impossible to ban and nobody on the right will ever pass anything remotely close to what you're proposing.

I'd like to see more federal funding of mental health institutions, outright ban gun sales to the people on the terrorist watch list.

We would have more federal funding for mental health institutions but Ronald Regan in true republican fashion decided to issue block grants to states and take it out of the federal government’s hands and place it back with the states.

 

[DragonSworne]

Very few people in here are talking about an outright ban. Most of them appear to be driveby posts anyway.

I would love an outright ban of all fire arms in the United States.

There is no need for such weapons.

 

[lenovox1]

Because the politicians advocating for stricter gun control absolutely do want to ban guns, they just know that to come out in favor of a total ban would be political suicide, so they water down their rhetoric. Obama/Hillary/Reid, etc would all ban guns in an instant if they thought they could get away with it.

No they wouldn't, as it's not what their constituents want.