Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017

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Aztechnology said:
Yea I mixed them up, So there's no official price announcement for the Scorpio yet? I for some reason though they skipped the slim entirely and the S was the Scorpio. I haven't got a chance to watch the E3 presentation yet, so I'm going purely off what my friends have texted me.
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No price yet. Plenty of people stating with absolutely certainty that it's whatever price point they made up, but nothing official.
 
BeatnikGunsoo said:
if you have a decent computer it seems to make more sense just to buy a 1070 or 1080 since all xbox games are coming to PC anyway
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Nah, I'll just buy a Scorpio. Fewer headaches. I already have an htpc and that's more tweaky than I have time for. It's a labor of love though, so I do it.
 
Sorry to ask but is there an official MS link regards the performance metrics? Only just watched the presser and noticed that the Scorpio announcement video had 2 variants of the 6TF message. One referred to the SoC another to the GPU.

Just wanted to see what they refer to written down.

ps3ud0 8)
 
This thing is all well and good, but it should not deter people from buying the XB1/S.

This thing is slated to come out in 18 months - a very long time away. I say those who wanted an XB1/S should still buy, a ton of XB1 games are coming and waiting 18 months probably isn't worth it.
 
Hey guys, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought even the most expensive PCs nowadays have a pretty hard time running games at 4K resolution without finnicky framerates.

Is it actually possible that MS is going to pull it off with a console?
 
Bishop89 said:
NX + Scorpio 2017...

well thats a short gen cycle :/

Can someone compare this to what the systems currently have?
What do the specs mean.

Dumb it down even and say its like 5 x more powerful etc..
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GPU roughly 4x better. Ram and CPU unknown. Much higher bandwidth for the RAM though. It's probably going to work out to an overall 3.5-3.75x XBox one.
 
tapedeck said:
I think people are seriously underestimating the desire devs have for a more powerful platform. And from what I can see from today this IS the next gen Xbox and MS will probably be completely moved on from Xbox One by 2018.
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I agree on both accounts, and I think this is Microsoft's only option now to compete substantially with Sony. They are clearly re-inventing themselves in the console gaming world, and trying to end the One's market in a tasteful way, just too many problems with it's design, or more specifically, they were painfully out designed by Sony.

I like the fact that they are dual platforming their software between PC and console, and 6TFlops is impressive and very competitive, making it the most powerful console we've had in a while with regards to the current generation. They're putting a $300 - $375 GPU in it, and I"m betting it's going to be a Polaris based AMD design and the big brother of the RX 480.
 
For those of you like myself who own an Xbox One but don't have 4k set do you see yourselves getting the Xbox One S?

I'm so tempted only because I'm such a sucker for new consoles, but deep inside I feel like waiting it out for a Scorpio because I don't have a 4ktv so many of the advantages that the Xbox One S provides over my Xbox One now will be moot.

What say you Gaf?
 
Did people already forget about Nioh on ps4? This is a console game that had the option of either running at lower settings with 60fps, or higher settings at 30fps.

Devs are going to do the same thing with xbox games and just have them scale between xbox one 900p/30fps all the way up to scorpio UHD/60fps, locking the settings at which they run at.

Heck since 1080p/60 is a given for scorpio, they'll prolly give the option for UHD/30 at better looking (scorpio) settings vs UHD/60 at reduced (xbox one) settings for some games like Nioh does.
 
Goose_Se7en said:
For those of you like myself who own an Xbox One but don't have 4k set do you see yourselves getting the Xbox One S?

I'm so tempted only because I'm such a sucker for new consoles, but deep inside I feel like waiting it out for a Scorpio because I don't have a 4ktv so many of the advantages that the Xbox One S provides over my Xbox One now will be moot.

What say you Gaf?
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The extra power is not going to be just for greater resolution, it will allow for better visuals and physics and such, with software more in parity with current gen PC games. We're talking a year from now or more, and 4k monitors and TVs are going to be way cheaper as they become the standard. Always try to future proof yourself. Wait for Scorpio.

-Edit: Expect to have 1080 at 60FPS now though.
 
Valahart said:
Hey guys, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought even the most expensive PCs nowadays have a pretty hard time running games at 4K resolution without finnicky framerates.

Is it actually possible that MS is going to pull it off with a console?
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When a PC gamer tries to run their game at 4K, they're usually also turning up all sort of other graphical niceties well beyond what the console versions display at the same time.

Also finnicky framerates for PC gamers is usually anything below a reasonably steady 60fps... whilst in console land, we're exalting the handful of games that manage to hold a solid 30fps.

So I can see 4K on consoles being more attainable than many PC gamers would have you believe.
 
Reizo Ryuu said:
Did people already forget about Nioh on ps4? This is a console game that had the option of either running at lower settings with 60fps, or higher settings at 30fps.

Devs are going to do the same thing with xbox games and just have them scale between xbox one 900p/30fps all the way up to scorpio UHD/60fps, locking the settings at which they run at.

Heck since 1080p/60 is a given for scorpio, they'll prolly give the option for UHD/30 at better looking (scorpio) settings vs UHD/60 at reduced (xbox one) settings for some games like Nioh does.
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Can't you do that in TLOU too?, you can have a locked 30 with extra bells and whistles or 60fps
 
Spladam said:
I agree on both accounts, and I think this is Microsoft's only option now to compete substantially with Sony. They are clearly re-inventing themselves in the console gaming world, and trying to end the One's market in a tasteful way, just too many problems with it's design, or more specifically, they were painfully out designed by Sony.

I like the fact that they are dual platforming their software between PC and console, and 6TFlops is impressive and very competitive, making it the most powerful console we've had in a while with regards to the current generation. They're putting a $300 - $375 GPU in it, and I"m betting it's going to be a Polaris based AMD design and the big brother of the RX 480.
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It's more like an over clocked RX 480, its only slightly above it outside the memory bandwidth, MS isn't putting a ton of money into the GPU this round either. Neither Sony or MS are shifting their philosophy from the PS4 and XBO when it comes to how much they're choosing to put into these consoles. Though Scorpio is probably going to cost MS less since it doesn't look like they're repeating the eSRAM mess.
 
This has excitement, but a lot of fear with it to me. It kind of reminds me of the Sega Saturn where three years later Bernie said that Saturn is not in our future. Scorpio feels like that to me. But it also has the tinge of the Xbox 360 where Microsoft was getting shat on by Nvidia and couldn't compete price wise because of them so they moved forward with a true generational leap even though software wise and console wise, they were still fairly good.

The xBone didn't do anywhere near what Microsoft wanted it to do, Shareholders want to abandon the Xbox line as a whole from what those rumblings were back then. Is this really the move they plan to do? The rush out? I mean four years for a new console? This is more than just an increment, and I wonder about pricing. If the Xbox One S is going to be 400 at 2tb, what's this going to cost? They got blasted at 500 bucks. There's no way this is going to be 400-500. Is this Microsoft's 600 US dollar moment? Or was that already passed with the 500 KINECTING WITH YO WALLET in 2013?

But new hardware. HYPE.
 
This is just a repeat of 2013 with at least the PS4's position in relation to comparable GPUs. While the "Scorpio" isn't getting the short end of the stick with being under powered due to a design choice that failed to pan out.
 
Panos Panay ladies and gentleman

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PHOENIXZERO said:
It's more like an over clocked RX 480, its only slightly above it outside the memory bandwidth, MS isn't putting a ton of money into the GPU this round either. Neither Sony or MS are shifting their philosophy from the PS4 and XBO when it comes to how much they're choosing to put into these consoles. Though Scorpio is probably going to cost MS less since it doesn't look like they're repeating the eSRAM mess.
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Ah yes, the eSRAM mess, haha. I don't know much about the scale-ability of the 16nm FinFET architecture as there is not that information available, but a whole extra TFOP is a lot to get out of clock speeds, and console GPUs are not known for their high clock rate, as cooling and stability tend to be design priorities. I estimated the $300+ number from current day consumer prices, and that will change by this time next year with the release of the 480 and it's companions, and they get amazing deals from manufacturers from the bulk product orders, I've heard that AMD barely profited from the console deals.
 
nelchaar said:
So who's gonna buy an Xbox One from now until Fall 17? Worse yet, who would drop $299 on the Xbone One S?
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It is going to be a low cost option from now and even after Scorpio version is released. It still plays all the same games and even all the new ones coming out on Scorpio just with less eye candy for lower cost. When ready later someone can upgrade their hardware to Scorpio whenever and keep all their games and accessories.,,, it's like saying who would by an iPhone 5s or 6 when 7's are out... lots of people

People entering the market this late are not going to care about the power of Scorpio coming 18 most from now
 
PS5 said:
Welp, the head of Microsoft First Party just told Keighley they announced Scorpio to give the developers a heads up.
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They had to say something and "since it leaked anyway" or "we wanted to come clean with the schedule, so the Scorpio doesn't cannibalize the S completely" sounds like they are not in control...
 
Color me interested in Scorpio and the slim. Building a gaming PC and plan to get a NEO but Scorpio is sounding pretty good and I want to replace my current Xbox One with the slim. Your move Sony.
 
The most powerful console ever.

They really did take this gen to heart, didn't they. I'm honestly surprised they announced it if it isn't coming for another year or so. That video was quite reminiscent of the PS4 reveal, really. Similar language with the whole dev friendly ethos and use of 'family' rather than 'ecosystem'. Interested to see how this all pans out. Console reveals are always exciting and now we get more per decade.
 
GameSeeker said:
That's a completely fake reason.

Companies give information to developers under NDA without announcing it publicly all the time.
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They did gave info to devs under NDA. But they also said it would launch next year. Unlike sony that said, here's the new console, in two months you'll be obliged to make games supporting it. (According to the context of the messages, no idea if that's how it played out)
 
Goose_Se7en said:
For those of you like myself who own an Xbox One but don't have 4k set do you see yourselves getting the Xbox One S?

I'm so tempted only because I'm such a sucker for new consoles, but deep inside I feel like waiting it out for a Scorpio because I don't have a 4ktv so many of the advantages that the Xbox One S provides over my Xbox One now will be moot.

What say you Gaf?
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I might pick one up for the Blu-ray drive since I have a 4k TV with no media to throw at it.
 
jpax said:
Funny thing is PS4 is about 40% more powerfull than XBone and Scorpio seams to be around 40% faster than NEO.
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There is not a 40% processing gap between the XB1 and the PS4, that's greatly overestimated.

Cybit said:
Hrm...couple of thoughts

1) 6 TFlops with the optimization that comes from console will be..ridiculous. Comparing PC specs to console specs 1:1 never quite works out because you can optimize so much more heavily for consoles (since you have a single unified spec) rather than PC. That said, I'm curious as to whether Xbox Anywhere will reduce the optimization done for consoles (also; will the multiple models thing also change how optimization is done). Or is there something upcoming in DX / Win 10 that will aid them?

2) I think MS as a whole company is getting out of the entire "closed ecosystem" business - I think they know Apple / Google own mobile devices, and MS's plan is to use Minecraft, Office, and their necessary software to be a company that works in all ecosystems. Zigging instead of trying to compete in a closed ecosystem market that they know they really can't get into. Instead, be the company whose software works on everyone's stuff.

3) On that note; I suspect next year's big E3 announcement will be Halo 6 being Xbox Anywhere, and on PC. I also wouldn't put it past them to talk to Valve about allowing games bought in the MS store to at least be added to a steam library (since I think Valve is going to get out of the hardware business, which should make things easier for negotiation). This ties into the "be the company whose stuff works everywhere".

4) I think we're focusing on the wrong reasons as to why MS and Sony are pushing new versions of their consoles - I think it has a lot more to do with 4K acceptance and making sure that their products are ready when 4K starts becoming a mass consumer TV option. I don't think either of them want to be behind the curve waiting for a new console if 4K takes off in the next year. Ditto for VR. I think the side benefit of massive performance increases is awesome for gaming, but I think both Sony and MS believe 4K TVs will become mainstream by 2018, and want to have consoles that are ready and capable for it.
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On point 4... you are right we are missing the focus, but I'm pretty sure it has less to do with 4k (which neither of the suggested specs of the NEO and the Scorpio could really do with modern games) and much more to do with VR, just as AMD is focusing on with the RX 480. Everyone is aware of just how big a revolution in gaming that AR and VR is going to be, and these are the adjustments to get current with the tech. 5-6TFLOPs is what you realy need for smooth, lag free consumer VR.
 
So, I have an insane theory for you guys, and you'll think I'm crazy, but here it goes: I think that Scorpio will use an ARM-based CPU. Here's my reasoning.

  • MS didn't seem to want to say anything beyond "8-cores"
  • ARM cores are actually getting pretty damn fast these days
  • I don't think that 8 Jaguar cores would be fast enough for Scorpio, and also think that 4 Zen cores with 2-way SMT would be fast enough already
  • AMD, in this tweet, said "SoCs," seemingly refraining from calling them both APUs
  • The way that tweet was worded makes it seem like XboneS actually counts as one of the design wins, making AMD's three wins Xbox One S, PS4 Neo, and Scorpio. This also means that one of these three would be ARM, and Scorpio is the only possibility
  • While the rumored Xbox TV could be the ARM win, there's not much reason to not simply use an off-the-shelf SoC in that
  • They're not launching until next year, perhaps because ARM needs one more generation to get up to snuff?

It seems insane, but the writing seems to be on the wall. Thoughts?
 
Cyborg said:
Sony needs to match this or surpass this. I will buy only 1 powerful console for my 3rd party games. If this means its Scorpio than Sony lost one dedicated fan.

I will use my PS4 for exclusives and the rest will be MS
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Well if people have a gaming PC, its a no brainer, PS4 Neo and PC is all a person needs.
 
MuchoMalo said:
So, I have an insane theory for you guys, and you'll think I'm crazy, but here it goes: I think that Scorpio will use an ARM-based CPU. Here's my reasoning.

  • MS didn't seem to want to say anything beyond "8-cores"
  • ARM cores are actually getting pretty damn fast these days
  • I don't think that 8 Jaguar cores would be fast enough for Scorpio, and also think that 4 Zen cores with 2-way SMT would be fast enough already
  • AMD, in this tweet, said "SoCs," seemingly refraining from calling them both APUs
  • The way that tweet was worded makes it seem like XboneS actually counts as one of the design wins, making AMD's three wins Xbox One S, PS4 Neo, and Scorpio. This also means that one of these three would be ARM, and Scorpio is the only possibility
  • While the rumored Xbox TV could be the ARM win, there's not much reason to not simply use an off-the-shelf SoC in that
  • They're not launching until next year, perhaps because ARM needs one more generation to get up to snuff?

It seems insane, but the writing seems to be on the wall. Thoughts?
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Spoke with two fairly high up people at Microsoft, and it's looking like an AMD Zen. One even said it flat out. Only reason I'm not quoting them outright, or saying who is cause I don't think they want me to.
 
MuchoMalo said:
So, I have an insane theory for you guys, and you'll think I'm crazy, but here it goes: I think that Scorpio will use an ARM-based CPU. Here's my reasoning.

  • MS didn't seem to want to say anything beyond "8-cores"
  • ARM cores are actually getting pretty damn fast these days
  • I don't think that 8 Jaguar cores would be fast enough for Scorpio, and also think that 4 Zen cores with 2-way SMT would be fast enough already
  • AMD, in this tweet, said "SoCs," seemingly refraining from calling them both APUs
  • The way that tweet was worded makes it seem like XboneS actually counts as one of the design wins, making AMD's three wins Xbox One S, PS4 Neo, and Scorpio. This also means that one of these three would be ARM, and Scorpio is the only possibility
  • While the rumored Xbox TV could be the ARM win, there's not much reason to not simply use an off-the-shelf SoC in that
  • They're not launching until next year, perhaps because ARM needs one more generation to get up to snuff?

It seems insane, but the writing seems to be on the wall. Thoughts?
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If any console uses ARM cpu's it's the NX
 
SenjutsuSage said:
Spoke with two fairly high up people at Microsoft, and it's looking like an AMD Zen. One even said it flat out. Only reason I'm not quoting them outright, or saying who is cause I don't think they want me to.
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So, for those of us who are technically incompetent, what does this mean? Really good?
 
Cyborg said:
Sony needs to match this or surpass this. I will buy only 1 powerful console for my 3rd party games. If this means its Scorpio than Sony lost one dedicated fan.

I will use my PS4 for exclusives and the rest will be MS
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i dont know how dedicated you are to begin with
 
harSon said:
Just let Panay talk about Scorpio for 90 minutes at next year's e3

Dude will have you dropping your drawls in a heart beat
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I wonder if Phil has had that shirt since the original Xbox days or if he had it made for this conference. I'm serious too. Why do I think of these things?
 
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