Xbox Series sales fall 30% year on year

I find it funny you think sony isn't in a mess just because they are selling hardware each month.

The discourse is happening all over the Internet and it isn't sour ms fans doing it, its sony fans that finally are coming around to the fact that sony has miss managed their studios to an astronomical amount this generation.

Just open your eyes and look at the votes for most disappointing console. Worst sony gen etc.

You lot are quick to put sony with Nintendo but fail to realise ita only Nintendo that are shifting hardware and releasing a steady clip of high quality games each year.

Sony has one game a year and astro bot sold just over 2 million copies.....
I vote with my wallet, not based on what GAF tells me (this is but one of many problems that you have).

As for the Sony fluff that you're spouting, I couldn't care less. It's irrelevant and a sidestep to who's really in the biggest mess and what grim future that brand has. So, no matter what you have to tell yourself to work through this, Nintendo & PlayStation are doing fine. Xbox is not.
 
I vote with my wallet, not based on what GAF tells me (this is but one of many problems that you have).

As for the Sony fluff that you're spouting, I couldn't care less. It's irrelevant and a sidestep to who's really in the biggest mess and what grim future that brand has. So, no matter what you have to tell yourself to work through this, Nintendo & PlayStation are doing fine. Xbox is not.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Vote with my wallet and dont listen to gaf. Of course I dont listen to gaf but I read the sentiment that this is sonys worst generation. The votes speak for themselves. Its like you have a hard time accepting that or something?
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about. Vote with my wallet and dont listen to gaf. Of course I dont listen to gaf but I read the sentiment that this is sonys worst generation. The votes speak for themselves. Its like you have a hard time accepting that or something?
"Votes". "I don't know what you're talking about". Indeed. :P

In any event, you do you. My disappointment in this gen is mainly with graphics card prices. Otherwise, Xbox is doing about as bad as I thought it would (maybe a little worse), the next one will likely be an Xbox-themed PC, The Switch 2 is a monster, the PS5 is a monster, and the next PlayStation should be a monster!
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about. Vote with my wallet and dont listen to gaf. Of course I dont listen to gaf but I read the sentiment that this is sonys worst generation. The votes speak for themselves. Its like you have a hard time accepting that or something?
HeWhoSony's can't wait for his next $70 AAA girl boss game from Sony, and his 1080p 40fps mario kart v829393 slop.

The big 3 all suck this generation overall, with some bright spots. Like Stellar blade, indiana jones, oblivion remastered
 
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Some great points, but im not talking about xbox. Im highlighting the dissappintment from fans and how this erodes the satisfaction with the console.

The problem is a logistical one. If you assume extending dev timescales are an industry-wide problem then obviously productivity is going to go down and gaps will start to appear in release schedules. So, what's the solution? You acquire more studios which increases burn-rate and adds burden on management and publishing, or create partnerships with third parties to fill the holes short-term and hopefully deepen the relationship in the long run.

Sony have picked the latter and MS the former, and I think its pretty obvious which one is work out better thus far.

As to disappointment from fans... First of all I think with a lot of people expectations are seriously out-of-whack. Games have never looked or run better on average but, of course, its never enough! As to the content, again the reality is that any project coming out now would have been greenlit back in 2020 or so, and in many instances you cannot pivot midway through without a huge amount of waste.


Sony have had a great generation thanks to great hardware and a competitor that completely shat the bed. Sony started extremely strong. Good launch software and then foundered the first 5 years with mediocre sequels that received hype and benefitted from the sony lead industry of "journalists" who review sonys titles favouribly.

5 years sounds terrible, but when that's a standard AAA dev-cycle with Covid disruption factored in... Its just reality we all have to deal with.


The evidence is with every poll and the backlash on titles like ghost of yotei. Which i am personally extremely excited about.

The problem is that the "backlash" to Yotei is fucking stupid. There's no sugar-coating the fact that if people are bent out of shape over the gender of the lead they aren't making a credible argument... they are using the same retarded playbook as the wokies bitching about "gruff white male" leads being passe a few years back.

As to the lack of perceived advancement, it should be fairly obvious that the comparator should be how the older game was running on its target hardware back at launch, and not any remaster or patched re-issue running on current gen hardware!

The basic reality is that relative improvement is what it is. A team who wrote optimized code for PS4 is unlikely to suddenly start writing unoptimized code on PS5, outside of extenuating circumstances where they are desperately crunching to hit a deadline. There's a weird persecution complex that some "gamers" seem to have where they irrationally acsribe everything that doesn't make them perfectly happy to malice.

Its stupid, victim-mentality, bullshit and I have no time for it.

Maybe we agree to disagree. I think ypu made amazing points about sony vs xbox but thats not what I was really trying to say.

Nintendo and Sony are not the same. Nintendo manages their studios and output extremely well. I cant say the same for sony or Microsoft this gen.

All good. But I personally think people acting like Sony's first-party plan this gen has been egregiously bad, are overreacting. Not to say their plans have been perfect, but it seems to me that little flurry of titles at the end of the PS4's life made this mostly inevitable. Take Naughty Dog for example; it was known at the time the whole studio was crunching to get that title out of the door in 2020. Then there was the pandemic and so even more time was lost with reorganizing to remote working etc. Then of course there was the elongated process of Factions 2 being spun out from its original "bonus mode" status on TLOU2, rescoping to a GAAS, then a labour/cost analysis showing that supporting it would require turning ND into Bungie... A typical shit-tastic result that just underscores my earlier about about pivoting approach mid-cycle tending to just short-cut devs into production hell.

Point being, errors made in the PS4 era often take years to become evident to the market. Same deal with Days Gone 2... the fallout between local studio management and creative that led to John Garvin's departure and the lack of progress to a sequel getting made was a PS4 problem. The studios creative leads both exit under a cloud and the next project flounders... well colour me shocked!

I mention these because these two studios seem to be the only ones that weren't acquired or hired to support the GAAS initiative that business's desire for greater profitability demanded.
 
You sure about that?

"Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella says Xbox Game Pass "set a new Q1 record for total revenue and average revenue per subscriber" and Microsoft "set new records for monthly active users in the quarter, as more players than ever play our games across devices and on the Xbox platform."


Honestly, I don't even care. I'm just calling you out. I legit like you as a member here, so its all harmless fun.

I get it though. Microsoft lies and Sony tells the truth.
If you remain flat but rise subscription price, you have more total revenue.

If you count PlayStation and Nintendo users who buy/play one of your games or ABK or Zenimax, new or legacy ones, you have more users than ever.

As in Q4, when they said PlayStation did make up of 63% of software income. That may mean a lot for MS Gaming, but truth is Xbox is having less and less weight in that.
 
HeWhoSony's can't wait for his next $70 AAA girl boss game from Sony, and his 1080p 40fps mario kart v829393 slop.
Why didn't you tell me you were having a Sunday roast? :goog_beaming_face:

Bbq Barbecue GIF by VICE WORLD OF SPORTS
 
Not really surpised you're better of with a gaming PC or playstation. I really think xbox 360 only done so well due to the rise of online gaming at the time.

I can remember, in the group I know, them saying the servers are better because it's MS and Sonys servers lags. It really felt like the 360 was the console to get for online play and obviously the new IPs at the time and earlier release than PS3 would help.

Anyway I've always thought and many others have for a while that they would be better of with a PC/console hybrid like what is rumoured. I doubt anything will save them from exiting the hardware business eventually though.
 
Member since 2007, but majority of your posts within the past year.

Your OG account must have been permed for warring. Welcome back.
Sony cultists are obsessed with alt accounts. I guess it's easier to make these allegations than acknowledge that different opinions exist.
 
You've only been active in the past year? Despite having the account for nearly 20 years.

Sounds likely.
How many posts was I obliged to make per year, Holt? Do lurkers not exist?
To be fair you also couldn't imagine why Sony are releasing Helldivers II on a platform with over thirty million users, so perhaps you're not best placed to understand things beyond the limits of your own biases.
 
Believe it or not, not everyone is an "alt" step outside the forum and the basement for once.
Not everyone, sure, but you definitely are. But, it's cool. Makes no difference outside of this forum anyway.

But let's try this, offer a rebuttal to the original discussion. Again, Dench is actually a user who engages the topic, usually without having to insult anybody. Are you able to tell me why Xbox is in the position that it's in and would you agree that it needs serious work if it's to attempt future hardware?
 
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How many posts was I obliged to make per year, Holt? Do lurkers not exist?
To be fair you also couldn't imagine why Sony are releasing Helldivers II on a platform with over thirty million users, so perhaps you're not best placed to understand things beyond the limits of your own biases.
Good rebuttal.

I don't get that decision, no. It's stupid imo.

I thought having biases was defending every decision hardware makers make.
 
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"Votes". "I don't know what you're talking about". Indeed. :P

In any event, you do you. My disappointment in this gen is mainly with graphics card prices. Otherwise, Xbox is doing about as bad as I thought it would (maybe a little worse), the next one will likely be an Xbox-themed PC, The Switch 2 is a monster, the PS5 is a monster, and the next PlayStation should be a monster!
You've only been active in the past year? Despite having the account for nearly 20 years.

Sounds likely.
To be fair to him you can have an account and just lurk and not post.
I've been a member for years and I prefer to lurk and occasionally post, I just don't have the patience for some of the takes you read on here.
Ps5 has been outstanding in my opinion, with some of the best gaming years in a long time.
Last year was especially outstanding
 
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Good rebuttal.

I don't get that decision, no. It's stupid imo.

I thought having biases was defending every decision hardware makers make.
Mibu no ookami would often say similar, claiming that he was merely "calling balls and strikes" when his bias was questioned. Ultimately his banning revealed the rotten truth for all to see.
Sometimes fans will question their own team, it doesn't mean they aren't fans. Especially when they will also judge rival teams more harshly than their own.
 
To be fair to him you can have an account and just lurk and not post.
I've been a member for years and I prefer to lurk and occasionally post, I just don't have the patience for some of the takes you read on here.
I do agree.

However going from totally inactive for 15 years, to being incredibly active whilst displaying heavy biases and ridiculing members who state the opposite is a bit different imo.
 
Mibu no ookami would often say similar, claiming that he was merely "calling balls and strikes" when his bias was questioned. Ultimately his banning revealed the rotten truth for all to see.
Sometimes fans will question their own team, it doesn't mean they aren't fans. Especially when they will also judge rival teams more harshly than their own.
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"Weak competition" like (checks notes) a console that sold over 150 million units.
Oh please, this is an exact same situation as the 7th gen, the HD power brands ("HD twins" remember?) fighting each other while Nintendo was on the side, doing something else, the only direct competition to an Xbox system, is a PS system, Nintendo plays by their own rules in their own field by themselves, that's why any other company stupid enough to go there is doomed (Sony rumors about doing a new portable, that's Vita 2.0 waiting to happen), MS doing these 3P HW collabs work for them because they're not subsidizing that and if it fails it's not their problem

Series X/S lose to the PS5 and MS is gonna try to shake things up once again with a PCMR branded Xbox (and handheld that has fad written all over it) to see if they can get somewhere, because the traditional model isn't working for them anymore, otherwise they wouldn't bother changing and if all that keeps failing, they are MS Gaming now, a Third Party Developer releasing games for PCMR + PS5 + SW2
 
To be fair to him you can have an account and just lurk and not post.
I've been a member for years and I prefer to lurk and occasionally post, I just don't have the patience for some of the takes you read on here.
Ps5 has been outstanding in my opinion, with some of the best gaming years in a long time.
Last year was especially outstanding
True, but often times, it's aggressive style posters who have had their original accounts perm'ed and they show up at random times just to attack people. It's not even just a differing of opinions, but a clear style. Then they project. Rinse/repeat. Only a few users do this, so that's why they stand out. Telltale signs are stuff like "you're on meds", "you're schizo". Then they act like having a preference, particularly for Xbox, somehow makes them a victim and everyone is out to get them. Never mind that we have legit Xbox fans here who don't even come close to behaving like that. It's like dealing with belligerent schoolchildren.

That said, I get the lurking approach. And for the PS5 stuff? Completely agree! Enjoy it much more than I did the 4 or 2 (yes, that's PS2, GameCube was my favorite console that gen)!
 
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I do agree.

However going from totally inactive for 15 years, to being incredibly active whilst displaying heavy biases and ridiculing members who state the opposite is a bit different imo.
The occasional barbed remark at the dominant fan group isn't really "ridiculing members." Particularly not when said group round on anyone with a dissenting view.
 
I find it funny you think sony isn't in a mess just because they are selling hardware each month.

The discourse is happening all over the Internet and it isn't sour ms fans doing it, its sony fans that finally are coming around to the fact that sony has miss managed their studios to an astronomical amount this generation.

Just open your eyes and look at the votes for most disappointing console. Worst sony gen etc.

You lot are quick to put sony with Nintendo but fail to realise ita only Nintendo that are shifting hardware and releasing a steady clip of high quality games each year.

Sony has one game a year and astro bot sold just over 2 million copies.....
Nintendo isn't releasing tons of games each year and their flagship Switch 2 game was a Switch 1 game that got delayed.
 
True, but often times, it's aggressive style posters who have had their original accounts perm'ed and they show up at random times just to attack people. It's not even just a differing of opinions, but a clear style. Then they project. Rinse/repeat. Only a few users do this, so that's why they stand out. Telltale signs are stuff like "you're on meds", "you're schizo". Then they act like having a preference, particularly for Xbox, somehow makes them a victim and everyone is out to get them. Never mind that we have legit Xbox fans here who don't even come close to behaving like that. It's like dealing with belligerent schoolchildren.

That said, I get the lurking approach. And for the PS5 stuff? Completely agree! Enjoy it much more than I did the 4 or 2 (yes, that's PS2, GameCube was my favorite console that gen)!
All fair points on somes users.

I think the only way you could be upset with ps5 is if you only care about first party.
I'm not happy with their gas push, but there's still been plenty for me from their output, and have enjoyed most of the releases.
The thing is I only play on ps, so everything is exclusive to me in a way.
I also think the hardware is brilliant, my ps5 pro looks amazing on my lg G4.
 
All fair points on somes users.

I think the only way you could be upset with ps5 is if you only care about first party.
I'm not happy with their gas push, but there's still been plenty for me from their output, and have enjoyed most of the releases.
The thing is I only play on ps, so everything is exclusive to me in a way.
I also think the hardware is brilliant, my ps5 pro looks amazing on my lg G4.
Yeah, I was initially against the critics who were talking down on their in-house stuff, but that was through 2023. In 2025, it does feel like things have slowed and the GaaS push is one of the obvious reasons. Sounds like that's about to change though, so I'm thinking '26-'27 will be a return to form.
 
Not everyone, sure, but you definitely are. But, it's cool. Makes no difference outside of this forum anyway.

But let's try this, offer a rebuttal to the original discussion. Again, Dench is actually a user who engages the topic, usually without having to insult anybody. Are you able to tell me why Xbox is in the position that it's in and would you agree that it needs serious work if it's to attempt future hardware?
I agree that modern day Xbox is mostly a joke. But they do some good things.
 
HeWhoSony's can't wait for his next $70 AAA girl boss game from Sony, and his 1080p 40fps mario kart v829393 slop.

The big 3 all suck this generation overall, with some bright spots. Like Stellar blade, indiana jones, oblivion remastered
For at least 15 years, Xbox fans have been online denying reality.

MS started lying to you in 2010 with the first Kinect, and to this day, you're still online, inflating the Xbox's "glorious" future and downplaying the PlayStation's current success.

What does this mean for you? Redfall, Halo "Craig" Infinite, TURN10's closure; Xbox's total bankruptcy now that the blank check has been definitively cut.

Worse than the rat, the first to abandon ship, is the rat that is the last to abandon ship trying to convince the others that the ship is not sinking.
 
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For at least 15 years, Xbox fans have been online denying reality.

MS started lying to you in 2010 with the first Kinect, and to this day, you're still online, inflating the Xbox's "glorious" future and downplaying the PlayStation's current success.

What does this mean for you? Redfall, Halo "Craig" Infinite, TURN10's closure; Xbox's total bankruptcy now that the blank check has been definitively cut.

Worse than the rat, the first to abandon ship, is the rat that is the last to abandon ship trying to convince the others that the ship is not sinking.
In the post above yours the same poster wrote "I agree that modern day Xbox is mostly a joke." It doesn't appear that he's trying to convince anyone. 🤷‍♂️ But don't let any opportunity to rant about Xbox go to waste, huh? :goog_beaming_face:
 
In the post above yours the same poster wrote "I agree that modern day Xbox is mostly a joke." It doesn't appear that he's trying to convince anyone. 🤷‍♂️ But don't let any opportunity to rant about Xbox go to waste, huh? :goog_beaming_face:
He says the Xbox is a joke while saying "the PlayStation too" talking about "$70 AAA girl boss game from Sony"
The Xbox is trash but so is Horizon Forbidden West "girl boss" 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

It's still a denial of reality.
A delusion about an "expensive game with a boring female protagonist" isn't the same as Xbox going bankrupt with REAL data.

Lunatic fantasies about the Playstation are not on the same level as the reality of the Xbox.
 
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I find it funny you think sony isn't in a mess just because they are selling hardware each month.

The discourse is happening all over the Internet and it isn't sour ms fans doing it, its sony fans that finally are coming around to the fact that sony has miss managed their studios to an astronomical amount this generation.

Just open your eyes and look at the votes for most disappointing console. Worst sony gen etc.

You lot are quick to put sony with Nintendo but fail to realise ita only Nintendo that are shifting hardware and releasing a steady clip of high quality games each year.

Sony has one game a year and astro bot sold just over 2 million copies.....

Funny how you straight up skipped another two chart topping Sony games that was released that same year lol.
 
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For at least 15 years, Xbox fans have been online denying reality.

MS started lying to you in 2010 with the first Kinect, and to this day, you're still online, inflating the Xbox's "glorious" future and downplaying the PlayStation's current success.

What does this mean for you? Redfall, Halo "Craig" Infinite, TURN10's closure; Xbox's total bankruptcy now that the blank check has been definitively cut.

Worse than the rat, the first to abandon ship, is the rat that is the last to abandon ship trying to convince the others that the ship is not sinking.

My experience with Xbox customers on this forum is their frequent additions of the Empathy emote on my posts. At least until the Xbox 3rd party incident last year. Then it quiets down.

My interpretation is that they are suppose to feel sorry for me that i am not in their cult? That i am not saved by the holy word of Phil? Because since i have no current skin in the Console wars, i really don't know what they are feeling empathy for. (That guy with a Final Fantasy black mage avatar, especially. Don't know where he is gone these days. )

Frankly i rather that they argue with me directly and refute my points in the thread itself, instead of dropping Empathy Emotes that are beyond my comprehension. If they think i am wrong I am happy to hear what they have to say.
 
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My experience with Xbox customers on this forum is their frequent additions of the Empathy emote on my posts. At least until the Xbox 3rd party incident last year. Then it quiets down.

My interpretation is that they are suppose to feel sorry for me that i am not in their cult? That i am not saved by the holy word of Phil? Because since i have no current skin in the Console wars, i really don't know what they are feeling empathy for. (That guy with a Final Fantasy black mage avatar, especially. Don't know where he is gone these days. )

Frankly i rather that they argue with me directly and refute my points in the thread itself, instead of dropping Empathy Emotes that are beyond my comprehension. If they think i am wrong I am happy to hear what they have to say.
It's best just to ignore those console warriors.
 
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Could someone explain the Alt account thing? People don't just say what they are thinking? Do they actually censor themselves and use an alt to speak freely?

What is this, 1984?

I will say that I don't know the culture stuff going on and I was deployed to areas where I couldn't keep up with everything. So, I'm at a loss why folks would censor themselves on a gaming forum. I can understand in social settings, speaking in a certain manner and watching what comes out of your face, but this seems crazy to me.
 
"Weak competition" like (checks notes) a console that sold over 150 million units.
Nintendo is back to being competition? I thought they were a completely separate market?

Well then, I guess the xbros can sleep easy at night knowing Switch 2 will keep the big bad Sony in check. Their fears were in the end unfounded. Clearly no need for Xbox consoles to remain on the market and MS can safely make their exit without putting consumers in danger.
 
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For at least 15 years, Xbox fans have been online denying reality.

MS started lying to you in 2010 with the first Kinect, and to this day, you're still online, inflating the Xbox's "glorious" future and downplaying the PlayStation's current success.

What does this mean for you? Redfall, Halo "Craig" Infinite, TURN10's closure; Xbox's total bankruptcy now that the blank check has been definitively cut.

Worse than the rat, the first to abandon ship, is the rat that is the last to abandon ship trying to convince the others that the ship is not sinking.
Modern day Xbox sucks, and you're a PS fanboy. Two truths. It's pretty funny watch you say "downplaying the playstation's success". Like it makes you upset that some people aren't bowing at Sony's feet.
 
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Nintendo is back to being competition? I thought they were a completely separate market?

Well then, I guess the xbros can sleep easy at night knowing Switch 2 will keep the big bad Sony in check. Their fears were in the end unfounded. Clearly no need for Xbox consoles to remain on the market and MS can safely make their exit without putting consumers in danger.
Just like when Sony tried to compete with Nintendo with the PSP and PS3 vs the Wii and DS, and got curb stomped, it was "we play games not sales" and "Nintendo is their own thing". When Xbox games are ported "This is my new favorite game" when Xbox games aren't ported "those games are boring, look at sales charts". When PC gaming has DLSS "AI upscaling is so weak, so much for PCMR" when PS5 has PSSR "amazing technology, Mark Cerny DA goat"! I just love laughing a tthe hardcore fanboys of anything. Sony fanboys are the worst. Hard to find Xbox fanboys nowadays, save for Jez, but he's more than likely getting paid, these are all fat british dudes, who have a fetish after getting a PS1 in the 90s, mostly. If Xbox exited the market tomorrow, I honestly don't know what half the posters on here would talk about.
 
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He says the Xbox is a joke while saying "the PlayStation too" talking about "$70 AAA girl boss game from Sony"
The Xbox is trash but so is Horizon Forbidden West "girl boss" 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

It's still a denial of reality.
A delusion about an "expensive game with a boring female protagonist" isn't the same as Xbox going bankrupt with REAL data.

Lunatic fantasies about the Playstation are not on the same level as the reality of the Xbox.
Yes, both are dogshit. If you're trying to tell me Horizon forbidden west and Ghost of yotei are more exciting than Killzone, resistance, and MAG, you're out of your mind. But then again, Sony made it, so it's the best.
 
Could someone explain the Alt account thing? People don't just say what they are thinking? Do they actually censor themselves and use an alt to speak freely?

What is this, 1984?

I will say that I don't know the culture stuff going on and I was deployed to areas where I couldn't keep up with everything. So, I'm at a loss why folks would censor themselves on a gaming forum. I can understand in social settings, speaking in a certain manner and watching what comes out of your face, but this seems crazy to me.
I think mostly it's the idea that the alts are people who were previously banned from NeoGAF.
 
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