Should Sony Release PS4 Exclusives on the PC 3 to 4 Years After Release?

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Ninja Scooter said:
I'm willing to bet that there are probably not a lot of you, at least not enough for anyone to shape their business model around. It's apparently a tough thing for people on places like GAF to come to grips with, I know, but you don't represent the consumer at large.
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Yes, GAF is an extremely small subset of hardcore gamers, that being a small subset of gamers in general. Not everyone can game on-the-go, let alone with a PC (he must mean laptop) that is capable of running games in a decent manner.
 
Pixieking said:
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PC isn't just about full-price - It's about long-tail sales. Look at retail console sales. How many do you think are second-hand? Who would actually buy a new copy of GTA V on PS4, when you could buy it for half-price second-hand. As I said before, second-hand doesn't exist on PC. Sure, you've got discounts, but every penny of every sale goes to the publisher/developer. Think about that over the course of 4 years.

Then go into your local Gamestop/Game and see how many second-hand copies of the latest releases there are. Do you honestly think Sony is making money on them? Again, what about second-hand PS4s?
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Did you look at any NPD thread recently? :) You'll be surprised.

Yazzees said:
Think of the dozens of Linux ricers who won't be able to play Spiderman when it comes out. #StopSony2012
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poor Richard Stallman :)
 
vasametropolis said:
Sony is kind of in a corner (believe it or not) with the PlayStation. It currently exists solely as a console. It makes no sense for them to do this. They are pushing consoles, upgraded consoles, and VR on consoles super hard as a result. The console is the cornerstone of their PlayStation business.

If they were to develop PlayStation into a software platform, where they sold many different types of devices that could leverage that platform (perhaps one of which that exists on a PC), then I could see it. I have no idea whether or not Sony has any interest in this approach, which is effectively Microsoft's new approach.
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I think it's obvious that we are moving to games as a service and for Sony it already happened with PS Now. Eventually you'll see the console go away and the only way to play MS or Sony's games are through their service. Eventually.
 
Bold One said:
It makes no business sense and is frankly an affront to common sense, every time this begging comes up I am taken aback the sense of entitlement from the PC contingent, it is staggering.
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If you venture outside of GAF and GameFAQs you'll quickly see that the PC platform is pretty much the go-to for most gaming discussions communities out there, especially reddit and 4chan. It doesn't really surprise me that there's been a rise in threads like these. An entire zeitgeist raised on steam sales and >90% of major titles seeing an eventual steam release couldn't be expected to act much differently.

But yeah, "catalog-begging", I like that term. It really captures the weird memetic aspect of how PC fanboys internalize certain attitudes w/r/t that don't come up in console fanbases. So much gets thrown around about "open platform" and "anti-consumer" and whatnot that it starts to be applied in weird ways to justify - convincingly in the eyes of the complainer, I'm pretty sure - what's actually just plain port-begging that wouldn't benefit the would-be porting company financially the way they seem to think.

Anyways, I've run my mouth ITT way too much as it is, gonna leave it at that.

Ninja Scooter said:
It's apparently a tough thing for people on places like GAF to come to grips with, I know, but you don't represent the consumer at large.
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And that.
 
right now they probably feel it best for them to continue selling you game boxes, accessories, multiplayer subscriptions, encourage you to use their network for all your media needs, and in turn receive their cut from everything - by leveraging their exclusives.

when that strategy becomes threatened, they will invest in bringing their ecosystem and exclusive games to other devices in the form of their own app or store. Even though it will harm their box sales, multiplayer subscriptions and discourage you from using their ecosystem for all your media needs, it may be the only way their network remains viable/successful.

we are watching it happen to microsoft right now.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
I'm willing to bet that there are probably not a lot of you, at least not enough for anyone to shape their business model around. It's apparently a tough thing for people on places like GAF to come to grips with, I know, but you don't represent the consumer at large.
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It wouldn't need to be huge, it would be just a gamble to plant a seed that doesn't cost much to possibly reap some rewards. Are EA Origin, GoG, Ubisof Store, Batllenet, etc, huge? It would just need to be profitable, to make sense. Lets remember that Sony had an almost PC exclusive division just the other day.
 
They have to sell hardware which is the major part of their gaming businesses, cant really sell hardware with och some nice games multiplatform or not.

Not to mention stuff like psplus,PSVR and other things to consider.
 
dracula_x said:
poor Richard Stallman :)
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InsaneTiger said:
I think it's obvious that we are moving to games as a service and for Sony it already happened with PS Now. Eventually you'll see the console go away and the only way to play MS or Sony's games are through their service. Eventually.
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I agree. Perhaps they are not showing their whole strategy at this point, but if they are not working towards this they probably should be or they will be in for another rude awakening down the line. I would not be surprised if they are building out the PlayStation platform right now, with their own "universal apps". Whether or not they build from the ground up or modify and piggyback something established like Android is anyone's guess. I know the thread title is kind of like port begging, but I honestly think we'll see it. Maybe "next" generation from Sony.

Honestly, it's where the money is. If OP had asked this question 5 years ago I would have laughed, but I think it's coming. Maybe sooner than we think.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
You are not addressing the possibility that they could also lose hardware and PS+ consumers who will just ditch Sony's hardware and buy or stick to a PC. It's not some purely net positive license to print money like you are trying to make it seem.
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How many people are going to get rid of their consoles at the drop of a hat for $1,000+ PC rigs? How many people are going to buy $30-60 Sony titles on PC? Which of these numbers do you think is larger?

Say what you want about not weakening the appeal of the PS4 for strategic reasons. But to argue that they wouldn't make more money by reaching a much larger total audience seems a little silly.
 
Pixieking said:
I just believe it... I have more faith in PC than you do.



PC isn't just about full-price - It's about long-tail sales. Look at retail console sales. How many do you think are second-hand? Who would actually buy a new copy of GTA V on PS4, when you could buy it for half-price second-hand. As I said before, second-hand doesn't exist on PC. Sure, you've got discounts, but every penny of every sale goes to the publisher/developer. Think about that over the course of 4 years.

Then go into your local Gamestop/Game and see how many second-hand copies of the latest releases there are. Do you honestly think Sony is making money on them? Again, what about second-hand PS4s?

Oh, and to answer your question, I'd gladly pay full-price for Demon's Souls on PC. :)

Like I say, I have more faith in PC than you do. :)
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Having faith in something is useless from a business perspective. Long tail sales guarantee some revenue over time. But any PC developer will tell you that it is the first week of a game's sales that make or break them. Once sales, price cuts, and interest drop off come into the picture that revenue drops precipitously. Which means that if there isn't sufficient interest of if the asking price too high there is a very real danger that that port will never make the development and marketing cost back.

If you don't have any answer to practical business and development concerns besides having "faith in PC," then you really don't have any business making this argument. It's just something you think would be nice to have, but you obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Hint: talking about used consoles and PS4 game sales doesn't actually help your argument.
 
Freeman said:
It would be huge, it would be just a gamble to plan a seed that doesn't cost much to possibly reap some rewards. Are EA Origin, GoG, Ubisof Store, Batllenet, etc, huge? It would just need to be profitable, to make sense. Lets remember that Sony had an almost PC exclusive division just the other day.
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That doesn't cost much?

Do you think it so simple as to place up a storefront and call it a day?

And I like how people are forgetting that they just now created a VR system and having that shit in direct competition with other, stronger VR systems would spell absolute doom.

A division is not their entire library.

Some of you PC people need to just face facts and accept that not every game is coming to your platform.
 
Pixieking said:
It's kind-of competition, but not really. It's competing on products, not services. "Want to play this game, play it on PS" is not the same as "Want the best service/controller/specs buy a PS4 not an XBox"

Look at cars, and every car has the same basics - radio, speakers, reclining seats - but has different handling and speed.
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And every platform has "video games". I'm not sure what your point is. They have the right to make a video game themselves, or pay others to make a video game for them, and use that as an incentive to lure customers to their respective platforms. This is, factually speaking, competition.
 
I think Sony will continue with the hardware business for the foreseeable future and will likely keep their games exclusive to that hardware for as long as their business model can be sustained.

If PC had a popular open-source OS I imagine 10-15 years down the line they would probably put PSN with all their games on there, and sell PS-branded PC hardware. But no way will they do so when Windows 10 is the de facto PC OS.
 
kadotsu said:
I'm loving the tick-tock cycle of Sony not having any worthwhile exclusives and them needing to port that nothing to PC because of open platform kumbaya.
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Yeah, I just love the hypocrisy.

One minute, it's "Sony doesn't have any worthwhile exclusives; They don't sell more than exclusives of either Nintendo's or Microsoft's," etc., then the next minute you get threads like this from PC gamers wanting Sony's entire catalog of exclusive games from PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PSP & PS Vita ported onto the platform.

It's funny.
 
UCBooties said:
Hint: talking about used consoles and PS4 game sales doesn't actually help your argument.
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Sales are sales. People are saying Sony has vested-interest in making sure people buy their exclusives, but if people don't actually give Sony money, there is literally no argument.

CrispyBoar said:
Yeah, I just love the hypocrisy.

One minute, it's "Sony doesn't have any worthwhile exclusives; They don't sell more than exclusives of either Nintendo's or Microsoft's," etc., then the next minute you get threads like this from PC gamers wanting Sony's entire catalog of exclusive games from PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PSP & PS Vita ported onto the platform.

It's funny.
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And can we not tar everyone with the same brush, please? I even stated earlier in the thread I was getting a PS4 for Bloodborne, which shows how much I value their exclusives. :)

(And now I'm actually leaving the conversation. It's been interesting. :) )
 
CrispyBoar said:
Yeah, I just love the hypocrisy.

One minute, it's "Sony doesn't have any worthwhile exclusives; They don't sell more than exclusives of either Nintendo's or Microsoft's," etc., then the next minute you get threads like this from PC gamers wanting Sony's entire catalog of exclusive games from PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PSP & PS Vita ported onto the platform.

It's funny.
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This is only reality if you plug your fingers in your ears, kicking and screaming. That's maybe how it is if you focus on the bait posted on other sites.
 
Brb guys. Just got an email from Sony saying "why didn't we think of this?!" and they are sending me a million dollar check because I'm saving their company.

Maybe instead of arguing here you could send those airtight business ideas directly to them and make that dosh.
 
Wish they would. MS gets a lot of flak here for not doing so, but somehow Sony gets a big pass. For what it's worth, I definitely understand why they don't.
 
Knuckle Sandwich said:
I say day and date. Make their own store like Origin (Steam) They'll still sell a buttload of consoles and make money on pc.
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This is right on. They'd make a ton of money more too.

The only people against it would be those not wanting their "precious" playstation games on other hardware.

There was some Xbox fan that hilariously flipped out over them putting games on PC too. I'm sure there are Sony only fans that could join him.
 
IJoel said:
Wish they would. MS gets a lot of flak here for not doing so, but somehow Sony gets a big pass. For what it's worth, I definitely understand why they don't.
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I wonder why Microsoft supporting Windows is seen differently than Sony supporting Windows?
 
TheSpoiler said:
That doesn't cost much?

Do you think it so simple as to place up a storefront and call it a day?

And I like how people are forgetting that they just now created a VR system and having that shit in direct competition with other, stronger VR systems would spell absolute doom.

A division is not their entire library.

Some of you PC people need to just face facts and accept that not every game is coming to your platform.
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Again, nothing to do with what I was talking about. It doesn't cost much, else we wouldn't have so many alternative stores on PC.
 
CrispyBoar said:
Yeah, I just love the hypocrisy.

One minute, it's "Sony doesn't have any worthwhile exclusives; They don't sell more than exclusives of either Nintendo's or Microsoft's," etc., then the next minute you get threads like this from PC gamers wanting Sony's entire catalog of exclusive games from PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PSP & PS Vita ported onto the platform.

It's funny.
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I think you'll find that these imagined hypocrites of yours are multiple different people. This may shock you but "GAF" isn't one person but a number of unique users with differing opinions.

In any case you would be hard pressed to find a PC user here who cares about the retail sales of console exclusives relative to other console exclusives, most active PC users here only really care about a particular console getting to the right pricepoint/number of exclusive games for them to justify buying it in addition to their PC. For that reason PC users are overwhelmingly more likely to buy a Sony or Nintendo system this generation.

But yeah, salty PC owners am I right?
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
Oh dear God. Do you have no concept of how business works?
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Look at the replies in this thread.

Look at the people posting in the thread.

Look at where you are.

None of these people care about the business side. They just want all the games on the system they play. How they get there is Sony's problem, no matter how illogical.
 
Pixieking said:
Sales are sales. People are saying Sony has vested-interest in making sure people buy their exclusives, but if people don't actually give Sony money, there is literally no argument.
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You seems short-sighted in business perspective (even in the practical). What are we talking here is bigger than the sales, but giving away Sony ecosystem (which mainly centered around hardware) to the other competitor.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
Oh dear God. Do you have no concept of how business works?
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Niiiiiiice. :p

Tell me, if I buy a second-hand PS4 and a second-hand game, and I ignore the PSN ecosystem, what revenue does Sony gain?

Yes, there are other issues at work with businesses, but I wasn't talking about them. I was talking explicitly about revenue. :)
 
Yazzees said:
If you venture outside of GAF and GameFAQs you'll quickly see that the PC platform is pretty much the go-to for most gaming discussions communities out there, especially reddit and 4chan. It doesn't really surprise me that there's been a rise in threads like these. An entire zeitgeist raised on steam sales and >90% of major titles seeing an eventual steam release couldn't be expected to act much differently.

But yeah, "catalog-begging", I like that term. It really captures the weird memetic aspect of how PC fanboys internalize certain attitudes w/r/t that don't come up in console fanbases. So much gets thrown around about "open platform" and "anti-consumer" and whatnot that it starts to be applied in weird ways to justify - convincingly in the eyes of the complainer, I'm pretty sure - what's actually just plain port-begging that wouldn't benefit the would-be porting company financially the way they seem to think.

Anyways, I've run my mouth ITT way too much as it is, gonna leave it at that.



And that.
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I didnt coin the phrase, all credit to

orthodoxy1095 said:
Oh you're right.

This is catalog begging.
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wenaldy said:
You seems short-sighted in business perspective (even in the practical). What are we talking here is bigger than the sales, but giving away Sony ecosystem (which mainly centered around hardware) to the other competitor.
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I'm arguing the ecosystem is a means-to-an-end - much like MS have done with XBox and Winstore.

Now, yeah, there's reasons against my point of view. But there's also reasons for it (imho).

(just when I leave, they pull me back in! :D )

(Anyway, I really am kinda-scared I'll get perma-banned, so I am actually out now. And we're all going round in circles anyways)
 
You do realize these exclusives are meant to incentivize the purchase of the console. This console purchase leads to the purchase of more games which provides the maker with licencing revenue. How will releasing on PC account for the distortion to this business model? Console makers make money on licensing. Having great exclusives is for ecosystem building
 
CrispyBoar said:
Yeah, I just love the hypocrisy.

One minute, it's "Sony doesn't have any worthwhile exclusives; They don't sell more than exclusives of either Nintendo's or Microsoft's," etc., then the next minute you get threads like this from PC gamers wanting Sony's entire catalog of exclusive games from PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PSP & PS Vita ported onto the platform.

It's funny.
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PS1, PS2, and PSP aren't necessary cuz of emulation though.

PS3 maybe in a couple years. Its emulator is making slow but steady progress.
 
Pixieking said:
Niiiiiiice. :p

Tell me, if I buy a second-hand PS4 and a second-hand game, and I ignore the PSN ecosystem, what revenue does Sony gain?

Yes, there are other issues at work with businesses, but I wasn't talking about them. I was talking explicitly about revenue. :)
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I thought you were leaving.
 
Sub_Level said:
PS1, PS2, and PSP aren't necessary cuz of emulation though.

PS3 maybe in a couple years. Its emulator is making slow but steady progress.
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Right. What amounts to piracy essentially. Because the majority of people certainly not using their personal "backups".
 
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