DeathSparks
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"You know Mighty No.9 is pretty shit. But it's still not as bad as God Hand." - IGN
Mighty No. 9 review thread
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"You know Mighty No.9 is pretty shit. But it's still not as bad as God Hand." - IGN
Imagine Party Babyz it is then
Well, if it isn't the platform's fault then maybe it is their fault for deciding to back the project. That might be uncomfortable.
"You know Mighty No.9 is pretty shit. But it's still not as bad as God Hand." - IGN
Can someone explain what this is about?
Found this on Twitter:
Redemption.
I'm not sure. I mean...I don't back many games. Not many games that, for me personally, I'd want to back, but, like I said earlier...of the 4 I've backed (just remembered Indivisible), this is the only one that's been a clusterfuck. The others have regular updates and great communication. I don't see why this particular one is being used as a poster child. It seems like some are just looking for confirmation bias with this game because it was popular.
GhostTrick
Banned
They did announced a Vita version of Bloodstained though. Truth is, MN9 3DS and Vita will likely be based on a different engine with different assets. Same for Bloodstained except for the engine part. The thing is, they had a poor direction and cheaped out on the graphics department regardless of a platform choice. As for Vita/3DS difference, it's significantly closer than what some people think, because of Vita low clockspeeds.
Coffee Dog
Banned
IGN is infamous for rating a cult classic game poorly because it was ugly and too hard for them.
Kowashitai
Banned
"You know Mighty No.9 is pretty shit. But it's still not as bad as God Hand." - IGN
Not again. Did MN9 beat Imagine Babiez though?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
The only good game they made so far is Soul Sacrifice and technically the credit goes to Marvelous and Japan Studio. ReCore is looking divisive but promising since it's mostly being made by the Metroid team.
I'm not even going to point out what's wrong with this thinking because it's so blatantly obvious.
Come on Durante. You're better than that.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I have backed Shovel Knight (loved it, one of my favorite games that year), Broken Age (it was alright, probably would have waited for a Steam sale), Mighty No. 9 (eh), Bloodstained (we'll see), Battle Chef (seems to be shaping up well), Shantae (seems like it will deliver), and Hyper Light Drifter (haven't played it but responses were good).
Only one I can say has been a bad experience is MN9 and it's honestly kind of worth it for the industry drama. I might have had more fun with that than I would have with the game.
Only one I can say has been a bad experience is MN9 and it's honestly kind of worth it for the industry drama. I might have had more fun with that than I would have with the game.
Unreal Champ
Banned
Honestly they really don't.
Not just poorly. 4 or 5 is usually the lowest end of the scale for IGN, even for shovelware garbage. To give a 3.0 to God Hand is to have an agenda. It certainly does seem to invalidate their criticism, but truthfully it's just one reviewer and shouldn't represent everyone on the site.
DeathSparks
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Relaxed Muscle
Member
Having to port to almost every platform out there with that budget, surely hurt the game in more than graphics.
We also don't know what kind of concessions they hade to make in level design to fit the game to the 3DS. It's not uncommon, several games had memory problems in history, just look how team ICO was struggling to get TLG vision on PS3.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Lol fuck this, I'm not even going to bother picking up my pre order for the Limited Edition.
Kowashitai
Banned
Guess my purchase is decided, sorry Inafune.
What in the world
Mm. That's a possibility, but there seems to be an influx of "holier than thou" I-Told-You-So-ers decrying Kickstarter without actually applying proper logic to the situation. Kickstarter, and the money raised with it, was not what made MN9 like this.
I don't really understand why some people (especially on Twitter, because people are so desperate to put their hot take out there) are making fun of MN9 backers in light of all this. It's only really in hindsight that backing the game appears to have been a really bad idea. The backers are ultimately the victims, but hey, they know not to trust Inafune again. Lesson learned. I don't see why people are eager to pour salt in that wound.
I would agree with your statement. A lot of the railing against Kickstarter is poorly rationalised. It's very clear that KS is not a preorder service, and they have no oversight over any of the projects on their site. Putting blame on a publisher or a developer is more rational, because they've had direct input and control over the product, but why the ire over a crowdfunding site? I feel some people are just being willfully ignorant, and weirdly combative against a new form of funding video games that circumvents conservative publishers.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Blackgate was ok.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I remember getting quite a bit of shit when voicing my concerns regarding all those platforms in the Bloodstained thread. M
DeathSparks
Member
Oh god, I can't imagine what it looks like.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
So what's the lesson here? Besides "Inafune is a business man lol".
I mean can we learn anything from this that's more broadly applicable to future Kickstarters?
To the people saying that the initial proposal was unrealistic from day 1, what were your red flags? And how did projects like Bloodstained and Yooka Layley present themselves differently in those areas?
Interested in hearing more opinions.
I mean can we learn anything from this that's more broadly applicable to future Kickstarters?
To the people saying that the initial proposal was unrealistic from day 1, what were your red flags? And how did projects like Bloodstained and Yooka Layley present themselves differently in those areas?
Interested in hearing more opinions.
Just CPU-wise, the original 3DS' dual-core ARM11 is still at least at least 5 times slower than the Vita's quad core Cortex-A9 at its low default frequency (A9 IPC is significantly higher). It's just not 15 times slower as it might have been with more aggressive Vita clocks.
What is wrong with it? I mean sure, some fault lies with the developers, but what Kickstarter does is move the responsibility and risk of financially supporting a project to the backers. That's not a "fault", that's what it's designed to do. And as such, the ones ultimately responsible for how we spent our money are us, the backers.
Blaming the funding platform is just silly. Blaming the developers exclusively is comforting, but not really accurate.
I mean the guy in the review flat out lied saying it's a button masher.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Inticreates has a good resume of 2D sidescrollers.
Inafune has been a producer in this industry for 20+ years, he should have an idea of manage a project like this.
This wasn't 2 guys in a garage making their first game.
Sure the poor decision of make the game for 8 platforms with that budget and other stratch goals could have raised a few flags. But very far from laughing at ppl.
Inafune has been a producer in this industry for 20+ years, he should have an idea of manage a project like this.
This wasn't 2 guys in a garage making their first game.
Sure the poor decision of make the game for 8 platforms with that budget and other stratch goals could have raised a few flags. But very far from laughing at ppl.
freethoughtbubble
Member
This game always looked off somehow. Can't say I'm surprised by the reviews, but I am worried that Capcom will look at this and immediately shelf their secret Mega Man reboot for NX 
:'(
Kowashitai
Banned
Yooka Laylee had a very impressive trailer set up and more to show for itself than just unrepresentative concept art. Bloodstained is a similar situation to MN9 to me where it is a successor to a dead franchise by the man most attached to it that launched with no real footage. If Bloodstained went up today, I think people would be a lot more wary of it.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Thank you. People need to get over that review. Game had awesome ideas, terribad execution.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
Playing the blame game is rather silly and counterproductive in the first place. We should be focusing on understanding what mistakes were made and learning from them.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Not really, but this is not the place to discuss that.
AmethystEnd
Member
Yes, one post agreeing with your opinion invalidates all counterarguments.
Pfft.
God Hand was awesome. Not perfect, but awesome. And it certainly wasn't a 3/10.
Bloodstained started in the middle of people ragging on MN9 for the same things in this thread, and made more money (via KS at least). What difference would it make?
Oh ok I think we're a bit more on the same page. Kickstarter doesn't deserve any ire but the developers certainly do.
I'd argue that the backers shouldn't bear *any* of the blame. If anything we should learn to be more cautious in the future but to BLAME us for the game turning out poorly is pretty much complete bullshit. That's solely the developer's fault for mismanaging the project and releasing a bad product.
Sucks to see it turn out this way, but I'm not too surprised; gameplay videos just didn't look very good. The game also looks oddly cheap, but that's the art I think. Sucks that this may turn people off of Kickstarter because it can do some great things.
Bloodstained had more realistic stretch goals.
I don't disagree that it also rides that nostalgia buck, but it was more transparent about what it wanted to achieve and what that may look like. Plus they didn't lose focus and become overly ambitious with an anime and all that garbage too.
Time will tell if that was all show of course.
Bloodstained had more realistic stretch goals.
I don't disagree that it also rides that nostalgia buck, but it was more transparent about what it wanted to achieve and what that may look like. Plus they didn't lose focus and become overly ambitious with an anime and all that garbage too.
Time will tell if that was all show of course.
ShockingAlberto
Member
That is an interesting question.
For backers, I imagine the lesson is not to trust blindly, but that shouldn't even need to be said, nor should this be the place anyone learns that lesson. There have been worse kickstarters that didn't deliver anything, Mighty No. 9 just failed to be good. I guess a more appropriate lesson might be to know what you're getting into. It could be good, it might not, there's no real way to know when you're backing it. It's like any other game, a series of bad decisions could fuck the entire thing up.
For creators...this could be the death of the hypothetical nostalgia kickstarter. This isn't to say that nostalgia creations can't exist, but I think they will go at it more like Yooka-Laylee and Bloodstained did. Both those kickstarters came right out and said what their new game is and how it is similar to the things you liked. Mighty No. 9 basically said "This is our world, it's like Mega Man but we can't legally say that, just like we can't say fuck Capcom." It didn't promise a game, it promised comeuppance, which Bloodstained and Yooka-Laylee smartly did not do.
Though I am not sure either of these points are ironclad, really. Basically, I have no idea what anyone has or will learn from this and it's still going to be a case-by-case evaluation and people are still going to get surprised by projects that never should have made it or well-founded projects that fell apart.
Kowashitai
Banned
Not to get too off topic but I think that God Hand has a better camera and control scheme than even more recent action games. Action games have always struggled to have good camera and even recent action games like Metal Gear Rising have awful cameras. God Hand's is at least consistent, it just takes a while to get used to. The only better camera solution I've seen is fixed camera angles in DMC.
While MN9 was getting flack at that point, Red Ash hadn't launched yet and the venom against Inafune and MN9 hadn't reached the levels it has now. I think there would still be a lot of people saying that Iga is more trustworthy than Inafune and Bloodstained would still be funded, but I would hope that people would be more wary of the kind of campaign it ran.
themagicalkitsune
Member
More validation that a raw number attached to a game don't mean jack shit.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
I think the part about backers isn't meant to say we're accountable for the quality of the product but rather to say we should have known better, although I'm not quite sure why that is the case to be honest.