Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?


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Superb choice. I loved these.
 
I mean, sorry - I'm voting remain, but seeing people repeatedly brushing everyone on the leave camp with the same "you're racist" brush is absolutely infuriating.
Talked to leave voters and first thing they bring up is immigrants. There's definitely the suspicion.
 
Amen. They need to bring them back.

OK, question for y'all - I get told I'm weird for putting my sweets in the fridge. Am I weird, or do other people do that to? Like, I will stick all sweets in the fridge.

Yes, you are. I believe it would be cause enough to have you sectioned. I bet you're also put diluting juice in there as well.
 
I'm several pages late to this discussion but I'm honestly shocked how far behind some of you are on current affairs. Since late 2014 a Freddo bar has been TWENTY-FUCKING-FIVE PENCE. This country went to shit a long time ago :/

VOTE REMAIN
It's not just freddos that take the piss with prices, most bars of chocolate are about 60% the size they used to be but about 100% more expensive
 
The irony about pencilgate is that pen actually increases the liklihood that your vote is discounted due to smudging when you fold your ballot.

Been through this before with Indy Ref...
 
What is there to fuck up? Which ever side wins will be the right and correct choice as it's the democratic choice of the people.

Was Hitler the correct choice?

Take that with a barrel of sarcasm btw. I just mean that what the masses decide whilst fair is not necessarily correct or right. That goes for both sides.
 
Just voted remain in swansea. Polling station was reasonably busy but for the first time ever I saw someone about 20 vote. Normally it's only middle aged to old people I see voting.
 
If she's blind, she can't see what has happened to the country either?

Too much?

Keith Adams ‏@keitheadams 2h2 hours ago
Later, I'm going to set up a blog which I've never done and set out the facts of my Mum voting. it's impossible to do so in 140 characters

Wow, this could be the most thrilling blog of all time.
 
Our local polling station is absolutely deserted. It's a student city, either they're all drunk still from last night, or younger voters are completely disinterested in the flavour of politics being served up by both sides.

Can't stop laughing at the cover of The Sun today.

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Waiting for Jeff Goldblum to arrive with an Apple laptop to save the UK. He's no less qualified than anyone doing the job at the moment.
 
I can't vote, basically because I'm a Finn living in Finland. However I've been following this thread and the campaigns very closely and these are my thoughts about the whole thing.

We've seen a huge amount of misinformation flung around, but that's not my greatest worry, it's the lack of information many possess. I'm not only talking about facts about economics, immigration or whatnot, but the basic political processes. I'm talking about civic skills everyone should have as it is fundamental for keeping up working democracy.

Less and less people are voting in elections all across Europe, there's less political engagement, more apathy and in result more resentment against the "system". Politics is seen as an outside force acting upon powerless people and people feel disenfrachised. That's why the Leave campaign has been very powerful - the message of "taking back control" is positive and empowering for many. In my view this is the first time in years some people feel their vote actually counts and their voices are heard. To me that's a positive thing.

The negative thing about disengagement from politics is the rise of populism. For uninitiated the systems we have in place seem monolithic, obscure and opaque. And when politicians talk about policies, the language is often far removed from peoples experiences - it's the language of the system. Populist rhetoric is different, it creates a simplified caricature of society that's easily understandable and offers simple solutions. Its appeal is just that, understandability and simplicity, it offers an easy way to engage and a direction to funnel the built up frustration.

But after the referendum is over and the results are in, what then?

One thing about voting, that I feel many don't consider, is that it happens at the end of the process. Voting is selecting between candidates, parties or policies. But less people consider where these people and policies come from. What we usually don't see is the work, endless debates and meetings that go into selecting the candidates and producing the programmes. From outside perspective parties just come out with a platform and a set of candidates seemingly without any input from the public, again pushing the people away.

I am a society secretary for Social Democratic Party in my city. Our party is in the process of updating the programme of principles, which started few years ago. We've held open workshops and discussion events for party members about it, and now the first draft of the programme is open for everyone to comment on. Through these comments a second draft will be formed later this year which again goes to comments. The final program will be handled in the party congress next year, where there will be commitees and votes on last changes. Of course the people in the congress are voted there by the members of the party and every member is eligible to be a candidate. The process is long and the amount of input that we've had is substantial. The party members are not only politicians, but thousands of people from every walk of life who have an input or opportunity for input.

Now, this is just one party and one programme. Things can be different in different parties or countries. But the point is, that it's not just party leaders who dream up lofty goals but the process can be inclusive and voices can and will be heard.

What I'm after is is: yes, you can have a voice. No, you won't always get your way. Yes, you can affect the policies and people brought forth.

So if anything, I hope this campaign has given a spark for new people to be more involved in politics. Even if it means voting more often from now on. But if you really want to start changing things there are few suggestions.

1) Engage. Consider joining a local chapter of a party, civic group or NGO. You don't have to consider being a politician to join any of those. Pick a party that you feel close to or an organization work in area you're interested in and go from there. Don't worry if you don't understand everything, everyone starts from somewhere and there are many things where you can leave your mark on.

2) Inform yourself. Read party platforms and backgrounds. Based on this thread I'd also suggest everyone to check the political groups of the European parliament and see what they stand for. Also check which national party is in which group, and vote based on that. For example I want the Socialists and Democrats to win the next EP election, therefore I vote for SDP in Finland. In Britain I'd vote for Labour for that reason, in Italy it'd be Partito Socialista.

Remember, MEP's don't represent their countries, but their parties like in *gasp* parliament.

3) Talk with people. Talk about real issues about what's happening in your community. Be open on what you like and what you don't like. Some of the most vibrant and insightful discussions I've had are with total strangers in pub that started on simple things.

4) Remember. Politics is not just parties and politicians, it's civic engagement.
 
Not much, only the lives of people who have jobs or want jobs over the next 30 to 40 years. But anyway, on to the important discussion...



I assume you mean chocolate Hobnob, in which case you are correct, this is the greatest biscuit of them all. Followed by Jaffa Cakes.

Chocolate Hobnobs GOAT. Fact.
 
Not much, only the lives of people who have jobs or want jobs over the next 30 to 40 years. But anyway, on to the important discussion...



I assume you mean chocolate Hobnob, in which case you are correct, this is the greatest biscuit of them all. Followed by Jaffa Cakes.

Oh no you didn't

They're cakes bro, proved in a court of law
 
If I want to mulch the garden or insulate a wall cavity I buy some hobnobs, if I want a biscuit I buy a packet of ginger nuts or fig rolls.
 
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