QuicheFontaine
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Well, that doesn't really mean anything, does it?
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Well, that doesn't really mean anything, does it?
Can we just get her as PM, please?Maybe already posted but LOL, Sturgeon going full savage. Someone toss her a snickers.
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/748488404636209153
Maybe already posted but LOL, Sturgeon going full savage. Someone toss her a snickers.
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/748488404636209153
Well... Always wanted deep down to move to Scotland.
Yesterday someone on there said the Pound losing so much against the other currencies would have happened "with or without Brexit".
Yeah.
Ravensmash
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I had a cursory look on theyworkforyou also, and her stance on gay rights has softened massively too.
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Sturgeon is still the only one in this mess who seems to have her shit together. I didn't know a lot about her before (guess how much Scottish politics German media report on --
fuck all
OriginalThinking
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Boris is a little like Little finger in GOT. He's lit the fuse and now he's happy to sit back and play the long game.
Sweet holy fucking Jesus!
I agree and it is all about achieving balance, especially in a close referendum the minority vote must be factored into the debate, but the will of the majority has to be respected.
Funky Papa
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At very least she's the only one upholding a consistent and well crafted narrative with clear aims.
Can I just say to people saying that it isn't democratic for May to carry on without an election.
That isn't how UK politics work, you don't elect a PM, you elect a local politician who makes up part of a political party.
The same thing happened when Gordon Brown took over from Blair. Brown carried on for a couple of years without an election.
In essence, you are voting for a manifesto, not a leader.
That isn't how UK politics work, you don't elect a PM, you elect a local politician who makes up part of a political party.
The same thing happened when Gordon Brown took over from Blair. Brown carried on for a couple of years without an election.
In essence, you are voting for a manifesto, not a leader.
accel
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To be honest, it's a very simple narrative and an impossible one in the short term. So, she might be good, but what she's doing is simple (too simple to be an indicator).
Funky Papa
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It probably has to do with people loathing Brexit and Leavers, but as far as I can see, she's been the only politician of some note who has remained constant and super focused. Meanwhile, both Labour and Conservatives are a total mess.
Edit: Make that an Eton mess.
I totally agree. However, Brown got savaged for it by the Tories themselves and it worked, so May can expect the same fired at her. It's silly, but people do vote for an MP based on the leader of that party.
MarkMclovin
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So are we fucked, or proper fucked?
It's not as if Scotland or her party are divided though. It's basically like playing football against England.
How did this not make the international headlines?
Huw_Dawson
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Looking at the early polling, Theresa May looks very likely to win if she makes it to the final two.
The problem is then you have a PM who is against Leave and a party and public who want the government to go through with Article 50.
In contrast, Eagle is almost certainly going to lose to Corbyn. Probably embarrassingly so. And then the deselections will begin.
This crisis will probably drag on until the new year. The only way for it to end is for a general election...
The problem is then you have a PM who is against Leave and a party and public who want the government to go through with Article 50.
In contrast, Eagle is almost certainly going to lose to Corbyn. Probably embarrassingly so. And then the deselections will begin.
This crisis will probably drag on until the new year. The only way for it to end is for a general election...
Maybe so but the majority of people vote for whoever the party leader is aka who they want to be the next prime minister. It's also why the party leader is the face of the campaign and the one in all the debates, etc.
I'm sure some people base their vote on their local politician but I doubt many base their votes on that.
formasymphonic
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As much as I'd hated the idea of Boris becoming PM, I was slowly coming around to the idea that it would at least be OK if it meant seeing him choke on the poison chalice.
As someone else has said, he'll just go back to playing stupid until enough people have forgotten his role in all of this and then he'll try again.
As someone else has said, he'll just go back to playing stupid until enough people have forgotten his role in all of this and then he'll try again.
GamerMax73
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True, but Brown also got savaged at the next election because of it.
She was the cabinet minister responsible for pushing gay marriage through (it was under her when the coalition first announced it, with Lynne Featherstone as minister responsible). A lot of us were very nervous about that, but she delivered and delivered well.
accel
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This is episodes 1-5 of the show, there were one or two more since.
ReplacementPelican
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This is so infuriating. Like, who could actually even lie about that? Who would believe it? Jesus.
I'd buy the Season Pass for this episodic tale, first one ever
Eat your heart out Arkham Knight, THIS is Season value
Yeah, definitely. The time of "UK special deals" in the EU are over. Get the Euro and we're golden.
PJV3
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Government is still held to account after winning an election, it's even more important than ever when the destination is so vague and uncertain.
Sounds fair. Stay in the EU but have to be a standard member of the union and not the UK special deal we got. But seriously Scotland, take it. I really hope things like the Euro aren't a stumbling block considering the Tories were threatening you not having the £ anyway.
accel
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Episode 8 is here... (damn)
"She urged MSPs to hold a second independence referendum by summer 2017 at the latest, if it is judged to be in the best interests of Scotland, to allow the EU to start work on these transitional arrangements."
This can't happen. The UK won't allow it, it is impossible to be cruising two crises like this at once.
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From far away, it looks like she is the only one who cares for her country/people and is fighting for them.
Might be misleading but contrasted to the english politicians she comes across like a saint.
What is there to dislike?
This
I hate the fact it's doubling up on massive change and crisis but fuck it I don't blame her
Why would Scotland care?
PJV3
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It is not a crisis to lose Scotland beyond some attachment to a rapidly disintegrating UK.
Funky Papa
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The EU won't allow it neither, as explained before. As it stands, the EU pursues stabilisation, not the contrary. Accepting Scotland before its separation from the UK would be as close to a land grab as it gets without resorting to military action.
Scotland will have to be out and by itself before admission talks begin. At very least, meetings will only able to take place once the UK approves the separation of Scotland and transition towards an independent state begins.
accel
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Dangerous talk again.
Yes, exactly.
(But it'd make for an entire episode alright. Maybe even a season. When do we finally get to starting to fix all this?!...)
Nice, Scotland is going to be independent and in the EU, definitely something the Scottish people want.
Palette Swap
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"Rah rah sovereignty and democracy" would look so stupid if the UK tried to block Scotland from making another referendum and discussing terms with the EU.
Oh wait, you mean the talks while they aren't independent yet? Sure, that can't happen. I thought you were talking abut independence in general. For that at least the UK won't have a say.
You don't see a problem with Scotland transitioning to the Euro whilst the UK simultaneously loses London as a financial hub and the economy takes massive fundamental shifts?
Well, "talks" will only begin. Nicola was there, talking certainly happened.
Billy Big Bollocks
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How big is Hadrians wall?
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As big as your bollocks I would guess.
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