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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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jufonuk
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Ovek
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It wont happen until after the German elections.
England doesn't have literal knees.
So I know the FTPA is basically brand new and I don't know much about the actual regular order in the House of Commons.
Basically, as I understand it, the only way for there to be elections under the FTPA, outside of the five-year term, is for the Commons to explicitly pass a no confidence motion, or to pass a motion with a supermajority calling for elections. (I don't understand why this second clause exists, since presumably if you could pass an election resolution with a supermajority you could just pass a no confidence motion with a regular majority.)
In practice, how plausible is it to pass a no confidence motion? I understand that the Tories would whip hard against it to prevent it from passing, but how hard is it to actually bring the motion up for a vote?
I mean, she does, but she's pretty old. That sounds like a recipe for injury.
Basically, as I understand it, the only way for there to be elections under the FTPA, outside of the five-year term, is for the Commons to explicitly pass a no confidence motion, or to pass a motion with a supermajority calling for elections. (I don't understand why this second clause exists, since presumably if you could pass an election resolution with a supermajority you could just pass a no confidence motion with a regular majority.)
In practice, how plausible is it to pass a no confidence motion? I understand that the Tories would whip hard against it to prevent it from passing, but how hard is it to actually bring the motion up for a vote?
I mean, she does, but she's pretty old. That sounds like a recipe for injury.
funkystudent
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So can the UK gov just not push the big article 50 button and just use it to be pissy to the EU indefinitely?
At this stage I can see them dragging this shit out for years before they even start it.
At this stage I can see them dragging this shit out for years before they even start it.
I guess it gives it more chance to fail, somehow, but the EU has been fairly keen on getting this rolling, so I can't see this improving the tone of any negotiations.
Not that she hasn't fucked those already with today's comments anyway.
It's up to the country leaving to do it so we could just hang around being annoying. Nobody wants that though.
w1ck3dn1nj4
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I wonder, if there's any possibility of salvation from a legal POV? Surely, between the City of London, Scotland, NI and Gibraltar, a case can be made for a judicial review to determine if invoking article 50 on the back of a glorified opinion poll is unlawful on the grounds of:
1. The referendum exercise is nothing but an abuse of democracy, whose original motivation lies not in public interest, but to settle petty politics (which backfired spectacularly) on a political party. Should a nation suffer the consequences?
2. The process in itself is deeply flawed on a fundamental level. The assumption that a majority of the voting public is able to filter out and make rational decisions based on misleading claims and outrageous lies while absolving those from responsibility is just not acceptable. The exercise is a farcical one and to be held ransom to conclusions based on such flawed premises is not democracy.
Linkstrikesback
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If it did, the public'd probably have blasted them off with a shotgun if Nigel told them they could get away from the EU by doing so.
It can use it to be pissy to the EU for two years, at which point the EU can just walk off and leave them sobbing on the floor like a toddler.
Bony Manifesto
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The one that requires a majority has a waiting period, while the super-majority one is immediate.
In practice, I don't think either will happen. A fair few Tories would have to rebel, and unless this leadership bid gets really nasty, I can't see it happening.
No Article 50 this year?
I wonder what this means for businesses, will many of them continue to hope we don't leave the EU or just move to another EU country anyway due to how much uncertainty there is before Article 50 is even triggered.
Is there even a reason for Article 50 being put off for so long? Or have they admitted that "I'll put it off so we can get our act together before we negotiate"
or something like that. Either way, the longer this goes on, the more of a joke we look to both the EU and the rest of the world.
UK: The Ultimate British Sitcom.
I wonder what this means for businesses, will many of them continue to hope we don't leave the EU or just move to another EU country anyway due to how much uncertainty there is before Article 50 is even triggered.
Is there even a reason for Article 50 being put off for so long? Or have they admitted that "I'll put it off so we can get our act together before we negotiate"
or something like that. Either way, the longer this goes on, the more of a joke we look to both the EU and the rest of the world.
UK: The Ultimate British Sitcom.
jufonuk
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So we will just limp on and reach a recession level but have eu funding ? EU can't kick us out then.
That's August- October next year . Ok cool
If the early polling holds true, they'll talk about her being elected with an 'overwhelming mandate (*cough*within the Conservative Party*cough*)' and leave it at that.
jufonuk
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Maybe never activate it and that's the joke. So anytime England get annoyed they can go order 66 may be done
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Alot of disaffected labour want exactly that though.
Chittagong
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If EU refuses to negotiate before UK has exited and UK has to go WTO terms, it's check mate for UK.
Dorsal Axe
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I seem to be missing a prized photoshop of Theresa May as Emperor Palpatine which I've been saving for this day, and I'm pretty sure I got it from on here. Can anyone help me out?
I fucking died at 'J'attends la fin de la grève' ('I'm waiting for the strike to end').Man, UK politics are a hell of a ride!
A bit farcical, maybe, so here's something to cheer you up, fellow neighbours.
If I had the money and means France would actually be one of my top destinations. I studied out there and, although it's super rusty now, still speak the language. Beautiful country, lovely people outside of Paris too.
Exactly. In Portugal, and I think other European countries too, our PM reassured UK citizens in Portugal that he would do everything in his power to protect the rights of UK citizens living, visiting or investing in Portugal. It's completely absurd to put millions of lives as a bargaining option like that.
Pankratous
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My fellow Scotsmen:
http://www.snp.org/survey?recruiter_id=217598
A survey from SNP on our place in Europe. The more data they have the better. Takes two minutes.
http://www.snp.org/survey?recruiter_id=217598
A survey from SNP on our place in Europe. The more data they have the better. Takes two minutes.
UpDownLeftRight
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Yeah the choices are horrendous. Things are going to get much worse very rapidly by the looks of it.
Pretty much, except nobody has the balls to stand up and actually say it, and why they need to do it to protect the country as best as possible. I really can't get my head around the complacency on display by the 'leaders' right now.
Graphics Horse
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I think that mostly depends if their darling Gove wins or not
jufonuk
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We can't until we execute order 66.
If they force us . They are in breach , loads of members in the EU and anti EU feelings will rise .
We stay as is until we choose to leave. That's my understanding .
We may get offered something to just leave at this point.
Is he their darling?
Christ. For all the shit Ed M. got for being "weird", Gove can barely classify as human.
Oh, absolutely. They should be saying, "We've realised we don't have a plan for exiting the EU and to do so would be lunacy. But lies have been peddled for too long and it's now bitten us on the arse. We need to improve local economies and not just rely on The City to count as 'everywhere'. Time to stop fearmongering."
But really,
"We'll negotiate a much shittier deal and make things worse for everyone."
Oh god. You're right.
Very true, silly of me to say.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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It's not your fault that labour is pretty much 2 parties now with radically different ideals
Yes, but it's all about how well you can eat a sandwich. That's the litmus test for any PM nominee.
BossDarkseid
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Take me with you plz. I have Scottish ancestry.
GamerMax73
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Mays name is still on the ballot (cheap shot).
I really don't think Gove has any intention of winning. He's only in this race to stick the boot in Boris.
Not sure why he's done it though. As revenge for Dave and George? Because May promised him Chancellor/Foreign Sec/Brexit Tsar? Because he really was worried Boris would back down on freedom of movement?
Not sure why he's done it though. As revenge for Dave and George? Because May promised him Chancellor/Foreign Sec/Brexit Tsar? Because he really was worried Boris would back down on freedom of movement?
JonnyDBrit
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The nature of the referendum doesn't help. It was non-binding but not everyone knows that, and while the government could go against that as is within their legal power, it would get thrown them as an accusation that they're 'anti-democratic' in a world where decades of the cold war and the war on terror has coded that into being automatically evil. Many politicians will naturally care more about their individual careers than they will the sake of the country (though I suppose 'for the sake of the country' is how they carried the banner of austerity, so eh).
Because Boris isn't stupid enough to trigger article 50, and Gove is a fanatic anti-EU person. And Gove is utterly bought and sold by Murdoch, and Murdoch wants us out of Europe.
Because we were wrong about him being Boris' puppet; he's Murdochs. He's going for the win because he has said to.
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He probably did it because May promised him to be the head of the Brexit team or something.
Camp Freddie
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Fucking hell. All it takes is one fucking week to return to the Thatcher era of pre-Maastricht right wing sabre-rattling bullshit.
Repatriation of EU migrants. Fucking hell, even Farage wouldn't say that. Not even as a joke/threat.
The country would collapse without migrant workers. As a threat, it's like a 10-year-old threatening to run away from home.
Repatriation of EU migrants. Fucking hell, even Farage wouldn't say that. Not even as a joke/threat.
The country would collapse without migrant workers. As a threat, it's like a 10-year-old threatening to run away from home.
Man, UK politics are a hell of a ride!
A bit farcical, maybe, so here's something to cheer you up, fellow neighbours.
I think france just shot itself in the foot. That doesn't meet British humor standards, not even close.
HazySaiyan
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I can't believe we're even entertaining the idea of "send 'em back!" This is what British politics in 2016 has devolved to. I'm ashamed to be British.
Good luck with getting NI on board, our leading party, the DUP, were firmly in the Leave camp for seemingly no good reason, and even though their own country voted otherwise, their response has been spineless and pathetic.
Seriously, I implore you to look up some of the repsonses, our first minister Arlene Foster's response has equated to patronisingly chuckling at anyone who voted Remain, saying "It's democracy though" and retweeting far-right leaning Leave voters.
Genuinely disgusting posturing, obviously sucking up to Westminster to become their new favourite home nation since Scotland is busy kicking up a fuss, as we should be too.
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