Apharmd Battler
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vitaflo said:
When the light is green, the trap is clean!
LMAO!! :lol
Gamepro Has its Debug 360, Halo2 works..
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LMAO!! :lol
That thing may not be as wide, but definitely looks taller than a GC PSU. I'm basing this on the surge protector next to it. Unless that's the world's smallest power strip, then that thing is definitely taller than the GC PSU. I assume you have one in front of you to compare, but your words don't align with what the image is telling us. PEACE.element said:
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bigNman said:
Eh, are you thinking of the N64?
FallenOne666
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Hey, just got back from covering the Digital Life Expo. Sega was the only company with playable X360s (running Condemned) and I took a picture of the PSU.
Looks a little shorter (not much) than the dev kit one and it's gray. Also, a funny story. Some Digital Life goons came a few minutes after I played Condemned and disconnected all of Sega's 360s, because they said they didn't have Microsoft's permission to set them up. He even said it was a "PR scam" that Sega pulled to get more press. :lol That's the guy you see in the pic disconnecting it.
Looks a little shorter (not much) than the dev kit one and it's gray. Also, a funny story. Some Digital Life goons came a few minutes after I played Condemned and disconnected all of Sega's 360s, because they said they didn't have Microsoft's permission to set them up. He even said it was a "PR scam" that Sega pulled to get more press. :lol That's the guy you see in the pic disconnecting it.
element said:
From the pic just a few posts above, I find that impossible to believe. Either your remembering the GameCube PSU as being much larger than it is, or your GameCube PSU got squished out by your Xbox leaning on it one day. I'll need to see side-by-side pics to believe it's only an inch or two longer.
But if that's the case, hooray!
The final one is like twice the size of the GC PSU and I'm staring at mine right now. That black one was damn near 3x the size so the final one is indeed smaller but still very big. Will be interesting to see the size of the PS3 and Rev PSU's to see if we're unjustfully ribbing this thing.
And :lol at the Ghost Buster ghost trap.
And :lol at the Ghost Buster ghost trap.
FallenOne666 said:Hey, just got back from covering the Digital Life Expo. Sega was the only company with playable X360s (running Condemned) and I took a picture of the PSU.
Looks a little shorter (not much) than the dev kit one and it's gray. Also, a funny story. Some Digital Life goons came a few minutes after I played Condemned and disconnected all of Sega's 360s, because they said they didn't have Microsoft's permission to set them up. He even said it was a "PR scam" that Sega pulled to get more press. :lol That's the guy you see in the pic disconnecting it.
I'm gay for Condemned. Care to give any impressions?
fullmetalzero
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Yes, the PSU is big, but imagine the size of the console if they had made it internal. (The PSU itself has a cooling fan built-in, btw.)
The current "beige box" PS3 devkit has two >400W PC PSUs in it, and most of us have seen how big that thing is. Is requires two three-prong PC power cords.
On backwards compatibility: Halo and Halo 2 ".xex" recompiled executables will come pre-installed on the HDD. (Hence Gamepro's debugs playing those games.) *At least* 100 Xbox 1 titles will be playable on 360 on day one via Live downloads of the new executables to the HDD. No, there is no list of the 100+ titles that can currently be made public, but they are just the first batch.
The current "beige box" PS3 devkit has two >400W PC PSUs in it, and most of us have seen how big that thing is. Is requires two three-prong PC power cords.
On backwards compatibility: Halo and Halo 2 ".xex" recompiled executables will come pre-installed on the HDD. (Hence Gamepro's debugs playing those games.) *At least* 100 Xbox 1 titles will be playable on 360 on day one via Live downloads of the new executables to the HDD. No, there is no list of the 100+ titles that can currently be made public, but they are just the first batch.
element said:
No, it isn't, it's a little more than 2x as long as the GC adapter, about as wide, and slightly thicker.
fullmetalzero said:
No, it doesn't.
fullmetalzero said:
Seriously, they are recompiling the executables? Man, MS denied they were doing that, I was rather hoping they would go for a software emulator but I can understand why they were forced to do this. This is probably bad news for fans of obscure games where the publisher or developer is no more...
Edit: I posted about this a few months ago
fullmetalzero said:
I assume you're involved with MS somehow so you know this is happening.
In any case, if I buy a launch X360, immediately out of the box only Halo and Halo 2 will work? I'll have to connect to XboxLive to get the other 100 games? Or will those be loaded on the HDD at launch as well?
Will launch titles also update the HDD in the same way if these 100 are not included by then?
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Fatghost28 said:
Only Halo and Halo 2 executables will come pre-loaded on the HDD. For the others, the 360 will detect the Xbox game disc inserted and connect to Live to see if an executable is available. So, yes, you will need the HDD and a broadband connection to enable BC for games other than Halo and Halo 2.
fullmetalzero said:
So for every game I have, I'll have to be hooked up to Xbox Live to download the patch to be able to play? Is there a list of games that will be released by launch or do I have to manually try all 50 xbox games I have until I find out what works and what doesn't?
Sounds like a mess.
Jesiatha said:
So is he right and shouldn't be saying anything, or is he way off base?
Argyle said:Well, I'm sure they've been keeping track of what's going on, and I don't see any pressing need to announce that info immediately...makes sense to save it until the console is nearly out, so the list is as long as possible.
Two possibilities:
1. Only Halo and Halo 2 will be on the HDD to start as Fullmetalzero suggested and we'll have to go to Xbox Live for patches to play the rest, in which case MS can delay releasing the list to get as many games on there as possible - but that makes for an extra encumberence on an already confusing situation.
2. All the games that will make the first batch will be available on the HDD but then MS needs to include this as part of the manufacturing process which surely must be happening already if they're to get enough units for launch, in which case the only reason to delay the list would be to minimize any damage it might cause to launch. If there are over 100 games, that would be pretty good news, and it would help people sitting on the fence if their games worked on 360. If there are only like 4 games, that's pretty shitty and would probably result in more negative hype for the launch.
Fatghost28 said:
Yup. I suspect #1 is the most likely since my guess is that most people who are buying the X360 on day one also have a broadband internet connection, so most people should be able to get the updates off Xbox Live Silver for free. Also, why fill a user's hard drive with executables they may never need? (My guess is that the average size for an executable is ~5MB, so (assuming) 100 games working is ~500MB, a fair chunk of a 20GB hard drive that already has other things preloaded onto it.)
My take on this whole emulation/recompilation thing is that some games will use emulation (generic emulator with just different options for different games?) and thus have zero improvements (that's the 100 number), and others will actually have new features/fixes like the LOD/textures problems in Halo 2, and dare I say 720p?
This kind of improvements just can't be done by just using a simple emulation layer.
Even recompiling must have been a quite difficult task, since I'm sure Halo 2 uses some unique features of the Nvidia GPU, some X86 ASM code, not even mentioning the endian problems.
This kind of improvements just can't be done by just using a simple emulation layer.
Even recompiling must have been a quite difficult task, since I'm sure Halo 2 uses some unique features of the Nvidia GPU, some X86 ASM code, not even mentioning the endian problems.
That seems to make some sense...
because certain gams (see Halo 2) could be system sellers for the new one. You cant tell me there isnt someone out there who would buy a 360 just go get Halo 2 with 720p, cleaned up textures/LOD and some FSAA? Hell, I would likely play through huge chunks of the game again if it looked significantly improved.
because certain gams (see Halo 2) could be system sellers for the new one. You cant tell me there isnt someone out there who would buy a 360 just go get Halo 2 with 720p, cleaned up textures/LOD and some FSAA? Hell, I would likely play through huge chunks of the game again if it looked significantly improved.
gamergirly
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StoOgE said:
True
evilromero
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I was just playing through the single player today and thought the same thing. I've got my HD optimized, as well as my Dolby Digital, and I'm ready for the next-gen. Halo 2 on my 360 will be the icing on the cake. The real entre is Kameo. God that game looks hot.StoOgE said:
fullmetalzero
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StoOgE said:
You'll be pleasantly surprised. The word is "no" on FSAA in BC games, but 720p is definite. Anyone who has played an Xbox game like THUG/THUG2 or Freedom fighters (or even,er, FIFA Street) knows what a surprising difference the mere jump to 720p makes.
GitarooMan
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fullmetalzero said:
Wow, 720p is definite? That's really cool, let's hope we see more than 10 or so BC games before MS decides the consumers have no interest in it.
Version 3.0
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Ah, the memories in this thread. Here's me bringing my Xbox home on launch day:
isamu said:
isamu, you sometimes come off a bit hyperactive for my tastes, but in this case your enthusiasm is entirely appropriate.
There are about five games that I really, really need to have B/W compatiblity, and Outrun 2 is pretty much the only one that I fear for.
Outrun 2
Deathrow
Ninja Gaiden Black
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Error Macro
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Rallisport Challenge 2 had better be on the BC list, pronto, or I'm going to throw my 360 out of the fucking window.*
*Xbox 360 may not actually be thrown out of window.
*Xbox 360 may not actually be thrown out of window.