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[doby]

There is no justification for cheating. Remove that from your thoughts.

Depends on what you regard as cheating. She at best was flirting behind his back, as far as we know (and I haven't read the whole thread), she hadn't sent any pics herself.

Of course he's right to feel betrayed because of this, buts lets not dress it up as something it isn't.

 

[Ravek]

Was this a loveless relationship? The way you can just move on suggests so, where's the emotion (which typically clouds judgement)?

That's a very subjective stance that SOUNDS like a blanket statement.

People deal with shit differently.

 

[Cow Mengde]

So, I just saw this thread and realized it was 76 pages. God damn. I take it OP dumped her?

 

[OCD Guy]

That's a very subjective stance that SOUNDS like a blanket statement.

People deal with shit differently.

That's a very good point.

If someone dies and one family member is crying buckets of tears, while the other is just silent, does that mean one person cares less?

 

[Zocano]

No relationship is perfect. People go through shit: periods of dissatisfaction, depression, detachment, dick lust (apparently), but everything has a root cause and hardly any of it is truly personal to begin with.

This doesn't mean people shouldn't take responsibility for their roles, or admit their contributions, or accept the consequences, but it does mean we should remain empathic and sympathetic to a point.

Do the right thing. Sometimes that means you need to put yourself first. Don't be cruel if you can help it, this doesn't mean forgiving right away or going out of your way to be ultra-understanding to the point you're being stepped on.

Again, you're handling this very well.

This is a nicer more apt way to say what I was trying to get across that most people seem to misinterpret as just forgiving her.

 

[MarkMclovin]

Depends on what you regard as cheating. She at best was flirting behind his back, as far as we know (and I haven't read the whole thread), she hadn't sent any pics herself.

Of course he's right to feel betrayed because of this, buts lets not dress it up as something it isn't.

There's flirting, then there's accepting pics of a dick and probably saying she'd like to suck it. EDIT - all whilst her BF sits right next to her.

It's cheating.

 

[The Elite]

When I played too much football manager she made it clear by throwing my laptop.

That was your warning she was unhappy.

That's an excessive reaction.

 

[Kinitari]

I appreciate that there's 3 sides to a story, if she was posting here I'm sure she'd have a version where I was a terrible boyfriend and there would be justification to do what she did.

I know I'm not perfect, and maybe I don't spend as much time with her as she likes, maybe me playing the PS4 too much instead of having sex with her was why she ended up looking elsewhere.

I just think that regardless of all that, the moment she felt unhappy she should have told me. When I played too much football manager she made it clear by throwing my laptop.

Maybe I need a woman that's into games, I sometimes read about people who say they game together, and that sounds great, but the woman I meet aren't into gaming at all.

Hey man, you need to have higher expectations from the women you date. Even if we agree that you have done wrong in the relationship... Everyone does wrong in every relationship. You always need to be able to talk about it though, and it sounds like this girl cannot communicate well.

Throwing your computer when you played too much of a game? Like... Holy crap. When I got too into a game a while back, my girlfriend was like "hey, I feel like we haven't spent any time recently together! Let's go out on a date" and then we did, and had a great time, and I made an effort to spread my free time out more evenly.

Like... That's the appropriate solution, not her drop kicking my PC or something. You need to prioritize finding a woman who can communicate, one that plays games is nowhere near as important as that.

 

[phanphare]

I've learnt that life is too short, I try and not get annoyed by things I can't change.

Losing my temper changes nothing, and just get's me stressed.

I gave an example of road rage, many people lose it, things escalate and it's all for nothing.

I leave people to it, much more chilled like that. Someone cuts me up, go ahead if you're in a rush. Me beeping my horn, flashing my lights and swearing at them is at best going to leave me stressed, and at worst cause them to jump out their car and attack me.

Too many people nowadays get worked up over the most trivial things, and for what? You could get hit by a bus tomorrow.

I could have gone nuts, shouted screamed and banged stuff, but what would it have done? I'm still not going to be with her, and it's just going to give her a reason for her friends to try and start on me.

I'm still pretty young, not married, no kids, so things could be a lot worse.

you sound a lot like me OP

sorry about this whole situation but you are handling the fallout well

 

[OCD Guy]

Depends on what you regard as cheating. She at best was flirting behind his back, as far as we know (and I haven't read the whole thread), she hadn't sent any pics herself.

Of course he's right to feel betrayed because of this, buts lets not dress it up as something it isn't.

I don't know if she's ever had sex with anyone behind my back, the conversation I read read to me like they've certainly not done anything.

But my trust is broken because she was talking to a guy about sexual things, that's not acceptable to me.

If she had come to find me having that sort of conversation it wouldn't have been alright.

 

[darkstar0155]

To be fair knowing her friend, she probably wanted to come, I'd imagine her saying stuff like "I won't let you go alone" etc

My guess this is 100% what happened. Her friend sounds like she is relishing in the drama based on what you said about her, and this is just her cup of tea to get involved in

 

[KingSnake]

Dude, that was the first sign.

Instead of talking to you about it, she trashed your laptop?!

I don't think that it's implied that it was instead of talking to him.

 

[NH Apache]

Depends on what you regard as cheating. She at best was flirting behind his back, as far as we know (and I haven't read the whole thread), she hadn't sent any pics herself.

Of course he's right to feel betrayed because of this, buts lets not dress it up as something it isn't.

We've rehashed this enough times. This is generally regarded as cheating. Cheating does not need to be physical.

 

[Blackthorn]

I appreciate that there's 3 sides to a story, if she was posting here I'm sure she'd have a version where I was a terrible boyfriend and there would be justification to do what she did.

I know I'm not perfect, and maybe I don't spend as much time with her as she likes, maybe me playing the PS4 too much instead of having sex with her was why she ended up looking elsewhere.

I just think that regardless of all that, the moment she felt unhappy she should have told me. When I played too much football manager she made it clear by throwing my laptop.

Maybe I need a woman that's into games, I sometimes read about people who say they game together, and that sounds great, but the woman I meet aren't into gaming at all.

Ok, so it seems communication problems aren't a new thing then.

 

[Servbot24]

I just think that regardless of all that, the moment she felt unhappy she should have told me. When I played too much football manager she made it clear by throwing my laptop.

The fuck? I would have left just for that. Adults talk about their issues, children have tantrums and throw things.

 

[Zakalwe]

This is a nicer more apt way to say what I was trying to get across that most people seem to misinterpret as just forgiving her.

Zorcano, I like you based on your responses here. There's not enough empathy in the world, but you do need to be careful people don't take advantage of your kind nature. Sometimes you do need to be a little cold to it. I've learnt that the hard way, and it can really hurt.

There is no justification for cheating. Remove that from your thoughts.

It's more complex than that, unfortunately.

I believe OP is doing the right thing here, if I would draw a line anywhere it would be at the point my SO sits next to me smiling at another guy's dick, playing the victim when confronted, and even after sleeping on it /still/ attempting to spin the events.

There are limits, but it isn't as simple as you make it out. People aren't that simple.

 

[Babyshams]

Going to need a TL;DR update plez

 

[OCD Guy]

Hey man, you need to have higher expectations from the women you date. Even if we agree that you have done wrong in the relationship... Everyone does wrong in every relationship. You always need to be able to talk about it though, and it sounds like this girl cannot communicate well.

Throwing your computer when you played too much of a game? Like... Holy crap. When I got too into a game a while back, my girlfriend was like "hey, I feel like we haven't spent any time recently together! Let's go out on a date" and then we did, and had a great time, and I made an effort to spread my free time out more evenly.

Like... That's the appropriate solution, not her drop kicking my PC or something. You need to prioritize finding a woman who can communicate, one that plays games is nowhere near as important as that.

The thing is when you're very insecure you just appreciate any attention.

Years ago (well about 5 years ago) it was her flirting with me, I was just flattered, and when we eventually got together I was really happy.

I don't approach people as I'm scared of rejection.

The whole football manager scenario is why initially I said I didn't want the confrontation, in anger she's prone to lash out, not at me, but she'd be the type to kick something for example.

But aside from that I've tried to explain that I'm not confrontational. It's like if I knew the guy I wouldn't try and fight him, I don't want to be with her, what is trying to fight with someone going to achieve.

I watch a show called cheaters and the reactions shock me, well maybe shock is the wrong word, as I can see it's just the emotion and anger showing but they get into a fight, and it changes nothing, perhaps it gives them brief satisfaction, but often it doesn't look like it, they get back in the van and look distraught, and sometimes they get their arses kicked too lol.

 

[vypek]

Going to need a TL;DR update plez

Someone posted this earlier:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210759471&postcount=2651

 

[johancruijff]

aaaah Football Manager, good old destroyer of relationships

 

[Yurikerr]

The OP is treating this situation as best as i could think. Just sitting there waiting for her stupid friend to shut up is not something that I think i would be able to do (I know that I would at least had shut the door on her). Congrats man, and stay strong.

The thing thats most interesting in this thread is how much of GAF see this type of situation (cheating) as black or white. You can cheat or not, and if you cheat you're the heartless villain.

I'm not talking about this specific situation, for all we know OCD's ex-girlfriend didn't have motive for her behaviour and acted the worst way possible after being discovered.

As someone who been at both sides of the spectrum (yeah, scumbag me), I know that things aren't as simple. And cheating can be much different things than sex, flirting or dick pics on a iPad.

 

[d9b]

Depends on what you regard as cheating. She at best was flirting behind his back, as far as we know (and I haven't read the whole thread), she hadn't sent any pics herself.

Of course he's right to feel betrayed because of this, buts lets not dress it up as something it isn't.

Read the whole thread.

 

[mariachi507]

Hopefully your next girlfriend is the type that will discuss things with you instead of throwing your possessions to make her point. Just reading that set off a few alarms.

 

[Camwi]

Going to need a TL;DR update plez

Main story:

https://streamable.com/edcz

Morning update:

So I didn't go to work today, I didn't go to bed unitl 4am so there was no chance I was getting up at 7am and able to do a full day at work.

Contacted my manager and explained the situation (not in detail obviously) and he was quite understanding.

Anyway my first point of call was to contact the estate agent, it turns out there is a break clause, so that's great right?

Well actually it's not because as I'm in a joint tenancy my ex would need to agree to it, but we've not spoken since last night when she was in the flat (I didn't reply to the text)

At around 11am I hear the door open and pull, the chain is still on the door so hence the loud noise, my stomach turns a bit, as I'm walking to the door I hear "Open the door you fucking cunt".

Oh good it's her friend. There's a lot of shouting, and I tell my ex that I don't want her friend in here, and if she want's me to remove the chain she'll have to be alone.

Understandably I didn't want to have to deal with a loud mouthy idiot shouting her mouth off at me.

My ex barely responds, all it is her friend shouting her mouth off. Saying things along the lines of "You can't lock her out, this ain't your flat" So there's not much I can do, as she's not the type that will calmly talk, and when I try to respond she just shouts all over me (you can imagine the type) so I just sit down in the front room until they give up. This must have lasted for about 30 minutes.

Once they go I close the door and put my key in the door, this way she can't even open the door, as putting a key through the other side won't work when there's a key already in the door.

I've not heard anything since that happened. What I've done my end is what most people end up doing, calling mummy and asking for help. So they're coming round in a few hours to start removing some of my stuff. They can't fit the furniture in their car, but I'm going to call a few removal guys, or possibly rent a van, need to see what's cheaper.

Obviously I can't lock her out of the flat, but I can take all the furniture out as I'm the one that paid for it. Literally paid for the essentials, the bed, sofa and then things like tv, pc etc are mine anyway (she has no interest in those things apart from the tv)

We have a dog (the chihuahua cross in my avatar before) which we paid half each for so not sure what we would do about that.

I'll feel more comfortable when my parents arrive, I know it makes me sound like a pussy but they won't mouth off, they're pretty fake and all polite around parents. They certainly won't shout and swear.

So that's where I'm at now.

GAF:

 

[Rand0m TAG]

all i can think is "it go down in the dm"

 

[Zakalwe]

Depends on what you regard as cheating. She at best was flirting behind his back, as far as we know (and I haven't read the whole thread), she hadn't sent any pics herself.

Of course he's right to feel betrayed because of this, buts lets not dress it up as something it isn't.

Cheating is different to everyone. Personally, if a SO of mine fucked a stranger once and never met him/her again, it would hurt much less than if she was confiding in another person intimately over a long period of time instead of confiding in me.

The fact she was sat in the same room as OP smiling at another guy's dick is a pretty obvious deceleration that she has very little respect for him. Even if you could convince the world that wasn't "cheating", it's still shit enough to warrant this reaction.

 

[OCD Guy]

aaaah Football Manager, good old destroyer of relationships

Yeah I played it a lot. Literally every spare time I had. And when she'd come round (was at my parents at the time) I'd not even go to bed with her. "5 minutes" I'd say, and 3 hours later I was still scouring the transfer market for a hot young prospect lol.

I can totally see that it ain't right, but I couldn't stop playing. When she did lash out, it did give me a bit of a wake up call and we spent more time together.

The thing is the relationship became routine, and I was just very comfortable, and recently I have been banging out the ps4 sessions. Alienation is really good, I keep trying to find a 12 slot legendary, when maybe I should have been giving her some legendary sex and filling her slots in bed.....Maybe she might not have done what she did.

But then again rather than change, maybe I need someone who will share my interests, but it's good to have alone time too no?

Anyway I'm not looking for a relationship at all, certainly not for a while anyway.

 

[doby]

We've rehashed this enough times. This is generally regarded as cheating. Cheating does not need to be physical.

But it's a fairly grey area. When does erotica become cheating? She could have had absolutely no intention doing anything more with motorbike man than endulging in a bit of fantasy. I guess it's the personal, one on one thing. If motorbike man was a bot would it still be cheating?

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

You're doing everything right, OCD. I'm gonna breathe a sigh of relief once you're out of there with your shit. Nervous about the friend showing back up. If she does, I'd be grabbing my phone and recording everything.

 

[Caderfix]

I'll be honest, if she had come alone, we'd have been talking about it.

I don't want to stay here anymore, that's my right.

I also want my stuff. I'm not doing it out of spite, but why should I leave everything here?

So as well as her going behind my back I should be out of pocket when I eventually get another flat? I don't want to have to buy furniture again.

I'm not unwilling to talk, obviously my mind won't change, but I'll gladly talk to her, tell her that I won't be able to stay with her as I won't be able to trust her.

I've been following this since the beginning and I felt really bad about your story and what you're going through, man. Honestly, you are handling it well and, yes, you have the right to go away and keep your stuff. Even after being treated like the villain by someone that has nothing to do with the whole thing, you still didn't lose control so you got this.

Stay strong, move on and good luck.

 

[cchum]

Yeah I played it a lot. Literally every spare time I had. And when she'd come round (was at my aprents at the time) I'd not even go to bed with her. "5 minutes" I'd say, and 3 hours later I was still scouring the transfer market for a hot young prospect lol.

I can totally see that it ain't right, but I couldn't stop playing. When she did lash out, it did give me a bit of a wake up call and we spent more time together.

The thing the relationship became routine, and I was just very comfortable, and recently I have been banging out the ps4 sessions. Alienation is really good, I keep trying to find a 12 shot legendary, when maybe I should have been giving her some legendary shots in bed.....Maybe she might not have done what she did.

But then again rather than change, maybe I need someone who will share my interests, but it's good to have alone time too no?

Anyway I'm not looking for a relationship at all, certainly not for a while anyway.

Screw women

 

[flkraven]

Man, I love OCD Guy. Dude is handling this in the best way I could imagine. Your patience is unreal man. As shitty as this all seems today, it will be mostly out of your mind in a month's time. Enjoy your new freedom, and set higher standards so you can find a girl with common interests (ie, games, football). It isn't that hard as long as you have a little patience which you obviously have. Best of luck man, because you totally deserve it.

If a relationship is super difficult, it probably isn't the right one for you. If a person is constantly getting mad because you spend a reasonable amount of time enjoying your hobbies, then just find someone else.

 

[ChaosZeroX]

Yeah I played it a lot. Literally every spare time I had. And when she'd come round (was at my parents at the time) I'd not even go to bed with her. "5 minutes" I'd say, and 3 hours later I was still scouring the transfer market for a hot young prospect lol.

I can totally see that it ain't right, but I couldn't stop playing. When she did lash out, it did give me a bit of a wake up call and we spent more time together.

The thing is the relationship became routine, and I was just very comfortable, and recently I have been banging out the ps4 sessions. Alienation is really good, I keep trying to find a 12 shot legendary, when maybe I should have been giving her some legendary shots in bed.....Maybe she might not have done what she did.

But then again rather than change, maybe I need someone who will share my interests, but it's good to have alone time too no?

Anyway I'm not looking for a relationship at all, certainly not for a while anyway.

Regardless of whether or not your spent to much time on your PS4. Her betraying you still isn't right. If she felt like you guys didn't spend enough time together, she should of spoke to you. My fiancee has approached me before and we end edup spending more time together as you did. Now I make sure that even if I do get addicted to a game, I make time to take her out on a date and spend time with her watching our shows/movies etc..

 

[Peter Ian Staker]

[*]GAF spends an entire work day and 28 pages giving mostly great advice on how to deal with the situation

 

[neorej]

Yeah I played it a lot. Literally every spare time I had. And when she'd come round (was at my parents at the time) I'd not even go to bed with her. "5 minutes" I'd say, and 3 hours later I was still scouring the transfer market for a hot young prospect lol.

I can totally see that it ain't right, but I couldn't stop playing. When she did lash out, it did give me a bit of a wake up call and we spent more time together.

The thing is the relationship became routine, and I was just very comfortable, and recently I have been banging out the ps4 sessions. Alienation is really good, I keep trying to find a 12 shot legendary, when maybe I should have been giving her some legendary shots in bed.....Maybe she might not have done what she did.

But then again rather than change, maybe I need someone who will share my interests, but it's good to have alone time too no?

Anyway I'm not looking for a relationship at all, certainly not for a while anyway.

Cheating is never acceptable, no matte rhow little attention you gave her. If your PS4 sessions were the reason she hooked up with dickpicdude, she should've flat out told you, not go around your back.

I mean, my girl told me she hated my Loooooooooooooooooooooooooong Witcher 3 sessions, we talked about it and we agreed that I would spend more time on her and she'd walk round the house in lingerie more often, it's a win-win-situation, basically.

 

[Zocano]

Screw women

Yah that's a good takeaway.

I just think that regardless of all that, the moment she felt unhappy she should have told me. When I played too much football manager she made it clear by throwing my laptop.

Lack of communication and desire to express negative feelings to your partner is the root to pretty much all relationship problems. And I like that you have a very clear mind in general when coming to this situation. I'm always bothered by the escalation to violence or pure revenge in grief and turmoil.

And a violent reaction towards your partner is a hard line that should never ever be crossed. People get angry and that's fine but the moment it becomes even remotely physical, all reason to stay is lost, honestly.

The best thing that will come out of this is make you more aware of these issues in your future relationships. It's one thing to watch couples fall apart, it's another to have lived through the signs and be able to recognize and perhaps fix or just avoid bad relationships or perhaps realize what you can do to make things better.

 

[slider]

OP, just saw your comment about kitchen appliances. Make sure you take the kettle and toaster. Tea and toast. It's what this great nation is built on.

 

[SymbiantXenos]

Op can buy a log cabin to live in.

Starting from only £2999.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

But it's a fairly grey area. When does erotica become cheating? She could have had absolutely no intention doing anything more with motorbike man than endulging in a bit of fantasy. I guess it's the personal, one on one thing. If motorbike man was a bot would it still be cheating?

Many don't see it as a grey area at all, including the people involved. Not just OP, but the ex as well, clearly, or she wouldn't have freaked out and bailed after he brought it up.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

I gotta say, I don't think I've read a thread with such an emotional stable and mature person going through this shit. Normally you read these threads for a melt down. Instead, it's like golf claps.

I'm sorry this happened to you, dude. I hope you pull out of it okay. I'm pretty confident you will. Best of luck!

 

[Kinitari]

The thing is when you're very insecure you just appreciate any attention.

Years ago (well about 5 years ago) it was her flirting with me, I was just flattered, and when we eventually got together I was really happy.

I don't approach people as I'm scared of rejection.

The whole football manager scenario is why initially I said I didn't want the confrontation, in anger she's prone to lash out, not at me, but she'd be the type to kick something for example.

But aside from that I've tried to explain that I'm not confrontational. It's like if I knew the guy I wouldn't try and fight him, I don't want to be with her, what is trying to fight with someone going to achieve.

I watch a show called cheaters and the reactions shock me, well maybe shock is the wrong word, as I can see it's just the emotion and anger showing but they get into a fight, and it changes nothing, perhaps it gives them brief satisfaction, but often it doesn't look like it, they get back in the van and look distraught, and sometimes they get their arses kicked too lol.

I get that insecurity, I'm really similar in that I don't really approach women, all the women I've dated have approached me, and my first girlfriend I was with far too long because I was afraid she was the only person who would want me.

If you know that about yourself, you need to do what you can to care about yourself more. And when you decide you're ready to find someone else, really really make sure you focus on finding someone who can communicate well and you can communicate well with.

 

[MrS]

Yeah I played it a lot. Literally every spare time I had. And when she'd come round (was at my parents at the time) I'd not even go to bed with her. "5 minutes" I'd say, and 3 hours later I was still scouring the transfer market for a hot young prospect lol.

You'll be scouring the market for even more hot young prospects now, brother

 

[dreamcastmaster]

I know I'm not perfect, and maybe I don't spend as much time with her as she likes, maybe me playing the PS4 too much instead of having sex with her was why she ended up looking elsewhere.

I just think that regardless of all that, the moment she felt unhappy she should have told me. When I played too much football manager she made it clear by throwing my laptop.

Hey mate, don't go down that line of thinking. There are many women that only care about what you are doing to relax at home only when THEY are bored and it's like "ENTERTAIN ME!". It does not matter what you are doing be it watching a movie, reading a book, gardening that type of woman will use that way you relax when they are bored, don't guilt trip yourself.

I learned that very early on in relationships so whe I lived with a woman my prioritiy (as well as the obvious stuff) was to decorate and put a TV in the bedroom (in the 90's). Now I make sure they have an iPad with Netflix. I can't keep them occupied 24/7 but I can distract them for "entertain me I'm bored" while I game.


You have also entered the "what if I did something different" post breakup phase you were told about a few pages back, FYI.

 

[d9b]

Bubble wrap that OLED and take really good care of it. Do it for GAF!
Your parents arrived yet?

 

[Zocano]

Many don't see it as a grey area at all, including the people involved. Not just OP, but the ex as well, clearly, or she wouldn't have freaked out and bailed after he brought it up.

Again it's a thing that should be communicated between partners, preferably before it becomes an issue.

Personally, emotional cheating is a far more traumatic thing for me than physical "cheating". And even then physical cheating is weird because sometimes a partner might not like it if you think another person is attractive and are turned on by them and some are perfectly comfortable and okay as long as there's no real effort or steps made past looking and admiring. I mean to say people have weird delineations within "physical cheating" where even just admiring another is problematic.

 

[Ronin Ray]

I wonder what your EX told this friend to have them so mad at you?

Ex. "Can you believe he is upset I flirt and get dick pics with guys behind his back?"

Friend (sounding like a mustache twirling villain) "yeah fuck that guy it's his fault that you did that .Yeah he's a complete cunt for stuff yeah "

 

[Flintty]

The thing is the relationship became routine, and I was just very comfortable, and recently I have been banging out the ps4 sessions. Alienation is really good, I keep trying to find a 12 slot legendary, when maybe I should have been giving her some legendary sex and filling her slots in bed.....Maybe she might not have done what she did.

But then again rather than change, maybe I need someone who will share my interests, but it's good to have alone time too no?

Anyway I'm not looking for a relationship at all, certainly not for a while anyway.

This is really hard to balance and something I've had to try and get right with my wife. Sometimes you do get wrapped up in games and don't feel like etching TV together or going out but it's still not an excuse to mess around.

Thankfully I'm in a good place at the moment; we both have our own hobbies and respect each other but if one of us feels ignored we are comfortable enough to speak up "let's do something together". She'd never throw my tech and doing so would be inexcusable; you're deffo better off without.

 

[dreamcastmaster]

I wonder what your EX told this friend to have them so mad at you?

Ex. "Can you believe he is upset I flirt and get dick pics with guys behind his back?"

Friend (sounding like a mustache twirling villain) "yeah fuck that guy it's his fault that you did that .Yeah he's a complete cunt for stuff yeah "

"He accused me of cheating when I didn't, men are assholes" would be more than enough.

 

[OCD Guy]

Bubble wrap that OLED and take really good care of it. Do it for GAF!
Your parents arrived yet?

There here at about 4pm it's 3:10pm.

I've not packed anything, they're gonna help me. My mum did say that she doesn't think I should take the furniture. Just my clothes and stuff.

 

[Lashley]

what have i missed from 1am last night?