That would be terrible considering internet has become cheaper meaning more people have access to it, meaning if you live in a apartment or complex tightly inhabited that the internet for gaming will be complete garbage without a direct connection.
Emily Rogers: Why you should be excited about NXs software output
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That would be terrible considering internet has become cheaper meaning more people have access to it, meaning if you live in a apartment or complex tightly inhabited that the internet for gaming will be complete garbage without a direct connection.
Shikamaru Ninja
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It definitely makes business sense. It's also quite viable. I don't think gamers would be upset at a portable MK8R/DX with a few upgrades. Mario Kart 9 would be great obviously, but there isn't a Mario Kart 9 releasing anytime soon if certain games are also in development internally. It doesn't matter if the MK8 team finished (Fall 2016 actually), if other small projects got the green light for production. Which could have happened. Konno could be working on Nintendogs mobile and Mario Kart 8R. You have to consider the expenditure in every game developed internally.
This is just discourse mind you. We don't know what Nintendo is actually doing.
Poimandres
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It's great if you've already decided to buy an NX. I haven't, and I find the way the rug has been pulled out from under the Wii U pretty frustrating.
In fairness, if I was calling the shots at Nintendo I probably would have done the same thing.
Actually, MK8 development concluded in Early 2015, around the time when the 2nd DLC pack came out. By the time the NX comes out, it would have been nearly 2 years since they finished development. That would be enough time for Mario Kart 9 to be at least near completion or, at the very least, at a playable state for E3.
InfiniteNine
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I'll get excited when they announce games I want.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
If when it get confirmed, then people shouldn't worried too much about GameCube Adapter.
For me, Lan Adapter.
Muffin Awesome
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Welcome to the world of the Vita owner (I also owned a day one deluxe model of the WiiU) but yea similar stories except the Vita could limp along where it is more detrimental to Nintendo with the WiiU
DeployThatPizza
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It's not a port. Zelda NX was developed alongside Zelda U.
This paragraph nails it. I think learning HD game development is what forced Nintendo to push out more 2D platformers than ever. Plus the development time should drop now.
Sammy Samusu
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You guys are asking for too many (useless) ports.
Smash 4 is the only game that should be ported, it has a lot of DLC and Smash 5 is not going to happen anytime soon.
Splatoon, Mario Kart, Mario Maker can all have a sequel. And they will.
Smash 4 is the only game that should be ported, it has a lot of DLC and Smash 5 is not going to happen anytime soon.
Splatoon, Mario Kart, Mario Maker can all have a sequel. And they will.
NinjaCoachZ
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No way it's not an internal project. Nintendo handled the Wii version of Twilight Princess themselves. There's no reason not to do the same with BOTW when they're the ones with the tools.
I can see why service games are better served (heh) with expanded sequels rather than straight ports. I'm definitely in the camp that Smash will be more than a simple port, and basically be THE Smash Bros going forth, and Splatoon will have a full-fledged sequel. For Mario Maker it's hard to really do a "sequel" when the game as it is, is basically an application, so that'd blur the lines between sequel and enhanced port honestly.
But what about games like Xenoblade X, Bayonetta 2, Pikmin 3, or Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze? I think it'd be a shame to just let them go to waste on the Wii U. They can help fill gaps in schedules and introduce the games to a new audience. To a sizable number of people, they will basically be new games. Remasters don't hurt anyone since they aren't ever a replacement for new games, more a supplement.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Sorry Fall 2015. But you calculate Nintendo game development wrong here. You assume that the 100+ main developers of Mario Kart 8 are free to make Mario Kart 9, which isn't necessarily true. Nintendo has to leverage the main developers of Zelda, 3D Mario, Pikmin 4, 3-4 Mobile games?, whatever games they have in the oven. We don't know what they are developing.
Basically Nintendo may not have the 90+ staff that the small core MK8 and Splatoon teams need for a sequel by 2017. But they may have the smaller team that can produce a port meanwhile. For example look at the staff size of the NPC Wii ports versus Pikmin 3.
Nintendo has to leverage big staff games and smaller staff games as per Shinya Takahashi, last investors meeting. None of those in question may be ported. But that's merely the reasoning of why it might be a good idea to do so.
Again, it ended April 2015, not Fall 2015. That's still more than enough time to get a sequel out. And even if Mario Kart 8 isn't ready for 2017, most of Nintendo's main studios have likely been working on other projects to where they can cover 2017. No need to front load everything on the NX's first year.
This. We all want our favorite franchises day one but Nintendo needs a steady stream of content released.
Same for Mario Kart 8. We don't need MK9. Just port the game with some added courses and focus on new stuff.
NinjaCoachZ
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I said it before, but when MK9 happens, I can see it being one of those sequels that's cut from the same cloth as Mario Kart 8. i.e. Reusing the engine, character models, hell even keep most of (or even all) of its courses around. But with new menus, UI, characters, courses, karts, and other improvements of course.
Hell, just flip the 8 sideways, call it "Mario Kart Infinity" and give it a meaty DLC update every few years or so. Done!
Hell, just flip the 8 sideways, call it "Mario Kart Infinity" and give it a meaty DLC update every few years or so. Done!
In terms of overall sales & financial success, definitely. As far as competitive play goes, while both games will likely last (or in the case of Smash 4, it'll last until Smash 5 happens), they'll still play second & third fiddle to Street Fighter V (which, thanks to the Capcom Pro Tour, has the FGC on lock). If either game wants a legit shot at catching up to SFV in terms of tournament success, Nintendo needs to step up their support of both games' competitive scenes. I'm talking contributing to the prize pool, setting up a Nintendo Circuit for both Smash games, actually hosting streams for tournaments like what Capcom already does for Street Fighter V tournaments, & more.
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Deleted member 752119
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Mario Maker is hard to make a sequel to really since it's a user generated content games.
I mean sure, there are other 2D Mario games (SMB 2, Yoshi's Island, GB Marios) they can add into the style options. But they still need all the existing ones.
So they can just port it with some of that added and call it Ultra Mario Maker or something. But that's still more of a remaster type thing than a full sequel since it doesn't have a developer crafted single player story mode like the Little Big Planet games.
Agree on the others though. Only MM and Smash need ports/updated versions near launch IMO. Others can wait for sequels.
Shikamaru Ninja
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You are completely building a straw man here. I'm not arguing that it isn't possible to deliver a Mario Kart 9 or Spla2oon in 2018. It obviously is possible. But there is also another possibility. Konno can ask for 1/3 of the staff to make a Mario Kart 8R for 2017. Or Nogami can ask for 1/3 of the staff to make a Splatoon R. Both can happen because of two important reasons.
1. Neither game has reached their ceiling with consumers.
2. New HD assets cost time, money and personnel. What if two Garage games blew away some Nintendo exec and it got the green light for a 2017 outing. Expenditures have to be managed - while producing content.
New Play Control is a perfect example. DK: JB, Pikmiin, Pikmin 2 were delivered quickly at a fraction of the resources. They weren't highlight titles as much as they were padding. Here you would have two mega padding games that would bolster sales at a do or die time.
But the whole reason why the Smash 4 port may end up happening is because DLC ended for that game so recently that getting a sequel out may take 4-5 years (knowing how long Sakurai likes to take for his projects). Splatoon may have made sense to do a port if Nintendo didn't stop doing Splatfests for the game, but now it's pretty clear that Nintendo's moving on to a sequel for Splatoon. And Mario Kart 8, as stated earlier, was completed long enough ago to where a sequel could be done. The usual time-frame between Mario Kart games is around 2-3 years. If they carry over some of MK8's assets, they could easily get a sequel done by 2018 (or possibly late 2017).
I don't think the lack of Splatfests points to anything other than maybe Nintendo is done with the Wii U. you don't think they'd do more if there was an NX port? of course they would.
Splatoon is still a brand new IP to a lot of people because a lot of people didn't have a Wii U. there are a lot of people out there who might be interested in the game but not the Wii U. having it at launch alongside an established Nintendo IP would do a lot to bolster sales early on. it'd absolutely be worth it to Nintendo if they can manage it.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Question, what if the sequels are instead 1.5 games. Extension games. Would that be acceptable? I mean seriously, what would be the difference between remixing some of those MK8 tracks and adding new tracks and characters on top? They can keep the cool gravity gimmick and all the awesome Nintendo all-star stages.
Jorok Goldblade
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Wii Speak for about 5 minutes.
DragonKnight
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killatopak
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I don't believe they can increase their output just by relying on combining their handheld and console teams on a single piece of tech. On the contrary I think it'll decrease instead. 3ds teams would likely face a longer development time due to the highier increase in assets needed in an hd game.
But if that was the case, they would have just kept the Splatfests coming up to the release of the NX port since it was essentially the same game. With Nintendo completely cutting off Splatoon, it signals that an actual sequel is coming.
But as fun as MK8 is, the game is would have been pretty damn old by the time the NX rolls by. The game came out in Early 2014, with its DLC being finished a year later. At least Smash 4 kept the DLC going up until early this year, so it still feels somewhat fresh. But it's been over a year since MK8 DLC ended, there isn't really much excitement left for the game.
would they have?
does it? and I do believe a sequel is coming obviously but the early days of the NX would be greatly aided by a Splatoon port, which is why they're trying to make it happen. who knows how long it will take for them to get a sequel out. I doubt they want to wait that long to get a larger audience engaged in their hot new IP.
texhnolyze
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Eh, no matter what they'll do with NX software output, no BC (if true) totally kill my interest in it.
Paul Gale
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NX could really become an incredible platform for games, games, games. It might even have such a high software output that every single one of Nintendo's franchises gets at least one title.
I'd be down to get a new Wave Race with graphics close to what Xbox One could do, along with a new 1080 Snowboarding, Punch-Out, and F-Zero. I mean...these are games in Nintendo's aresenal that aren't guaranteed to see a release each generation for either their handheld or console at the time.
Wii U was a powerful machine but nearly as strong as Xbox One and PS4, but Nintendo did gorgeous things with it. How good did Mario Kart 8 look on a system with 1gb of RAM? Every game from Nintendo could look gorgeous on this thing. And there could quite easily be dozens and dozens released over NX's lifespan. That's an exciting thought.
One system that's guaranteed to have a new Metroid, Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Pokémon, etc. I don't doubt Nintendo's software output here...not at all.
I just really hope that the Tegra X1 will be strong enough to run what third parties want to release on all systems. If NX is a sales juggernaut and is in the hands of 20 million gamers in its first 18 months, then as long as it's capable to run titles like Grand Theft Auto 6, Final Fantasy XVI, Mass Effect 5, and so forth, publishers and developers will definitely put their games on the platform.
I'll have more confidence that NX will have awesome third party support if it's got a Tegra X2 in it, just because it will then be more likely for third parties to be able to put their software on it. Here's to the unveil.
https://youtu.be/yXn8VuC7QIU
Oh and that is a video I made of how the controller could possibly work.
I'd be down to get a new Wave Race with graphics close to what Xbox One could do, along with a new 1080 Snowboarding, Punch-Out, and F-Zero. I mean...these are games in Nintendo's aresenal that aren't guaranteed to see a release each generation for either their handheld or console at the time.
Wii U was a powerful machine but nearly as strong as Xbox One and PS4, but Nintendo did gorgeous things with it. How good did Mario Kart 8 look on a system with 1gb of RAM? Every game from Nintendo could look gorgeous on this thing. And there could quite easily be dozens and dozens released over NX's lifespan. That's an exciting thought.
One system that's guaranteed to have a new Metroid, Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Pokémon, etc. I don't doubt Nintendo's software output here...not at all.
I just really hope that the Tegra X1 will be strong enough to run what third parties want to release on all systems. If NX is a sales juggernaut and is in the hands of 20 million gamers in its first 18 months, then as long as it's capable to run titles like Grand Theft Auto 6, Final Fantasy XVI, Mass Effect 5, and so forth, publishers and developers will definitely put their games on the platform.
I'll have more confidence that NX will have awesome third party support if it's got a Tegra X2 in it, just because it will then be more likely for third parties to be able to put their software on it. Here's to the unveil.
https://youtu.be/yXn8VuC7QIU
Oh and that is a video I made of how the controller could possibly work.
pinkurocket
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I'm really excited about a device that will get all of Nintendo's titles, not split between a home console and a handheld. Truly this is all I want from them. I also hope they get a lot of indie support, but they've been pretty good with that recently so I'm sure that'll continue.
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Deleted member 752119
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Same here. The 3DS and Wii U libraries combined have been great for me. Each individually is a little thin--especially the Wii U. And I don't really like gaming on portables, I just tolerate it for all the great games.
So I'm stoked just to be able to play all their output on my TV on one device, that apparently will be priced pretty cheaply. Which is great as it will still be my third platform behind PC and PS4, so that's much better than the $470+ tax I had to layout to get a Wii U and 3DS (I didn't buy either at launch).
TheGreatDirector
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It's time for a new Ice Climbers.
DragonKnight
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Really hoping they were able to slide the tegra x2 in there. Just to help future proof this thing as much as possible. I got into gaming because of Nintendo and Id hate for anymore boneheaded decisions of their part to jeopardize their viability and longevity in the video games biz.
Also paging Matt
Its most likely gonna be a custom Tegra chip so hopefully its gonna be closer to x2, but i'm hoping the docking station is feeding it power and future proofing is based on that patent
Davey Cakes
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Same. I'm a fan of the Wii U's games but I'm still working on the backlog and otherwise I see no future for the system over the next year.
Moving everything to NX means that NX will have a shit ton of content. I'm ready for that.
Dark Cloud
Member
Omg we're going to get so many games!! It's a dream come true to go on the road to play games and on the tv.
Davey Cakes
Member
See, this is the angle.
Think of all the GAMES. One platform solves one of Ninty's hugest issues.
Just a specific example: I would've loved Mario Golf on console. I get a lot of multiplayer use out of the Wii U, not so much the 3DS. If the console could've gotten the Mario Golf game instead, I would've been more likely to buy it. On the topic of Mario sports games, maybe Mario Tennis could've been a better show on unified hardware as well.
With a system that has everything from the company, this will make it so I won't miss out on any title due to platform preference. It's one stinkin' platform.
Dark Cloud
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I want to play HD true mainline Pokemon games on the HD TV!
thehillissilent
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You aren't the only one. I assure you.
Astral Dog
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i just think this wont be a huge upgrade, GameFreak are not tech pushers
brainchild
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They don't even need to push the tech. This thing will be several orders of magnitude more powerful than the 3DS. It will be the biggest generational leap of all time. The fact that they can create assets without them being significantly downgraded will be an huge upgrade by default.
Don't they usually upgrade their engine every new generation? It was mentioned in that recent interview, that Sun/Moon uses a newer engine than X/Y and OR/AS, which is why the characters are no longer chibi, and being able to display trainers during battles. Chances are we won't see a new mainline pokemon game on the NX until generation 8 at the very least. So you can expect some "graphical" upgrades to future pokemon games.