Apparently to kill anyone on the squad who misbehaved, in case the head bombs didn't work.
At least she did more than Captain Boomerang.
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[SPOILER THREAD] Suicide Squad
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At least she did more than Captain Boomerang.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I thought for sure her katana that contained the souls of its victims (which they for some reason felt the need to explain twice) was going to play a role in trapping enchantress for good.
Instead nope, it's just used to cut a hole in her chest.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
This film's numbers are going to fall off a cliff after OW. You're optimistic to expect a sequel.
Kid Kamikaze10
Member
Sigh...
Suicide Squad could have been an awesome movie. Should have been better, but there were so many directorial failures.
And I'll be honest, Harley and Enchantress... The sexism complaints are so justified. And the "it's about bad guys" excuse is paper thin.
Waller, Diablo, Katana, Cap. Boomerang, and DEFINITELY Deadshot were great though.
Suicide Squad could have been an awesome movie. Should have been better, but there were so many directorial failures.
And I'll be honest, Harley and Enchantress... The sexism complaints are so justified. And the "it's about bad guys" excuse is paper thin.
Waller, Diablo, Katana, Cap. Boomerang, and DEFINITELY Deadshot were great though.
Marmaladefire
Member
Character set up maybe? Representation?
I just came back and I have a lot of opinions. I haven't really sorted them all out, but I guess I can make a pro/con list:
Pros:
Amanda Waller being as serious and crazy as she should be
Joker not sucking up all the air in the movie
The scene in the bar
not turning them into "heroes"
Margot Robbie actually getting a good middle ground for the accent
Scenes that involve Harley where she isn't being treated like a dumb toy
Cons:
Enchantress and Rick Flag all around
What was Boomerang's purpose?
Under/misuse of Katana
Blatant, endless sexism
Seriously, fuck the way they treated Harley
Dumbest threat ever. Also, seems like a job for the Justice League and not Suicide Squad
Is the joker just a gaudy, uncreative mob boss now?
Also: I understand why Harley was broken out, but I'd love to know if Deadshot does too. He's got that Gotham villain grey morality, but without all of the sexual tension with batman (so maybe that'll be his undoing)
Why the fuck was Katana in the movie. Why the fuck was Joker in the movie. Why the fuck was this a movie.
Tough questions. No answers.
The credits scene was super fucking funny.
"My friends will do it for you."
Yeah, right. Like how you were totally on the ball when an entire city was evacuated and there was a giant pile of magic rubble floating in the fucking sky. Right?
Killer Queen
Banned
I'm not "expecting" anything at this point. It's a hypothetical fun question and I get that you didn't like the movie but you don't have to put a damper on everything about the movie because of it.
broncobuster
Banned
Among the ever increasing list of scenes cut or altered, she was to be possessed and fights the Squad.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Apologies. Hypothesise away.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Hey hey hey hey hey, he was probably busy getting tortured by nonsensical dream sequences thanks to a time-travelling Flash.
BaraSailey
Member
This was okay, definitely better than BvS. My main issue is the beginning of the movie -- it just felt so weirdly edited and out of place. All that exposition was just thrown at you and I feel like it could've been done better.
That being said, I really loved Harley and Deadshot in this; they were definitely the best parts of the film. The movie had some good moments that I really enjoyed, and once they got into the city and away from all the set up the movie got much more entertaining.
I'm not sure how I feel about Jared Leto's Joker yet. I'd have to see more of him to really judge the performance. So far from what I've seen I prefer Heath's Joker though.
I went into this with low expectations because of reviews, but I don't get all the hate reviewers seemed to throw at this movie. It's just a very mediocre film, and it's depressing because it could've been something so much better, but it's not some atrocity like some reviewers made it out to be.
That being said, I really loved Harley and Deadshot in this; they were definitely the best parts of the film. The movie had some good moments that I really enjoyed, and once they got into the city and away from all the set up the movie got much more entertaining.
I'm not sure how I feel about Jared Leto's Joker yet. I'd have to see more of him to really judge the performance. So far from what I've seen I prefer Heath's Joker though.
I went into this with low expectations because of reviews, but I don't get all the hate reviewers seemed to throw at this movie. It's just a very mediocre film, and it's depressing because it could've been something so much better, but it's not some atrocity like some reviewers made it out to be.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Just got back from it:
This movie has problems. The first few minutes were one of them. Every time there was a new scene, there was a new licensed song. It was fucking annoying.
The first act was completely muddled as they try to introduce each character (except Slipknot because he's just there to be a demonstration). My problem is that there is no real reason to create Task Force X. Waller just wanted it because Superman might go crazy or whatever. There's no imperative need to create the Suicide Squad. The squad was created and then the problem showed up when it should've been the other way around. The second act was a complete mess and then I gave up by the third. I got bored with it and just wanted it to be over.
Deadshot is the heart of the film. He's essentially the main character and gets a good amount of backstory and development. The other members are all dogshit. It got so bad that I was laughing during supposed serious bits like when Katana is talking to her dead husband in her sword (LOL) and when Diablo turned into Quetzalcoatl. That was hilarious.
Suicide Squad is a corny and boring movie
This movie has problems. The first few minutes were one of them. Every time there was a new scene, there was a new licensed song. It was fucking annoying.
The first act was completely muddled as they try to introduce each character (except Slipknot because he's just there to be a demonstration). My problem is that there is no real reason to create Task Force X. Waller just wanted it because Superman might go crazy or whatever. There's no imperative need to create the Suicide Squad. The squad was created and then the problem showed up when it should've been the other way around. The second act was a complete mess and then I gave up by the third. I got bored with it and just wanted it to be over.
Deadshot is the heart of the film. He's essentially the main character and gets a good amount of backstory and development. The other members are all dogshit. It got so bad that I was laughing during supposed serious bits like when Katana is talking to her dead husband in her sword (LOL) and when Diablo turned into Quetzalcoatl. That was hilarious.
Suicide Squad is a corny and boring movie
Major Gripex
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I'm reading that in Harley's bio one of the points was that she killed Robin. Anyone have evidence/know of this?
It apparently says involved in the murder of Robin. Whether she helped, really did it, or confessed but was totally lying about the whole thing, who knows.
Major Gripex
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Interesting. Thanks.
MarkMclovin
Member
The joker was awful.
Can someone explain why Croc killed someone in the planting the bomb scene near the end?
Can someone explain why Croc killed someone in the planting the bomb scene near the end?
heliosRAzi
Banned
I think he killed one of the zombies. I think. It was a really fast cut.
He killed one of Enchantress' drones. They were attacked by them underwater, Croc didn't kill any of the seal guys.
It's an even bigger problem when you realize that, not only is it backwards, the problem specifically exists because she tried to create the Suicide Squad
The only way you can even salvage that is if it turned out that Waller orchestrated everything as a means of being able to point to a supervillain event that Batman and company couldn't handle as justification for the team she already assembled.
1. I really liked this movie, really fun, pretty damn funny
2. Is the suicide squad really enough to take on someone like the enchantress? I feel like she could have just taken them all out by teleporting or something.
3. What was the song that played when Harley had the flashback to her and joker jumping into the acid????
2. Is the suicide squad really enough to take on someone like the enchantress? I feel like she could have just taken them all out by teleporting or something.
3. What was the song that played when Harley had the flashback to her and joker jumping into the acid????
MarkMclovin
Member
Ah ok. Didn't look like it to me and a few others. Makes sense now.
Major Gripex
Member
1. Correct.
2. I felt like Enchantress was just playing with them. She wanted the Squad to join her, maybe as servants. She invited them twice.
3. Er.. Don't remember, too many songs for my liking to be honest.
I too was confused. I thought Croc was betraying them for some reason. It was a confusing scene.
broncobuster
Banned
A lot of the action is poorly lit with quick cuts. Worse when you add water into the mix.
I couldn't tell you what went down in the Deadshot Batman confrontation. Batman jumps down, stuff...happens, Deadshot pointing a gun at Batman before his daughter intervenes.
heliosRAzi
Banned
You know what? Yeah, that is worse. Holy fuck this movie
Just bring in CWverse Captain Cold and let Wentworth Miller ham it up, and that will sell me a ticket without question.
Killer Queen
Banned
I think the song is gangster off the original soundtrack, might be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's it and it's 100% something off the original soundtrack. You can find it on YouTube if you look up Suicide Squad original soundtrack. But glad to hear you liked it! And no they're definitely not enough and wouldve got fucked had it not been for El Diablo
Se ism? It's another DC film where the female characters kick ass and don't suffer through "it's nothing we were ever trained for/oh no my powers" rubbish. They straight up say Enchantress is the most powerful being they've ever seen, and the woman she's possessing willingly turned into Enchantress to try and save the world.
Like DC aren't firing in all cylinders, but compared to Marvel they're doing a great job at portraying even "normal" women as badassss who don't need to apologise or justify themselves stopping otherworldly threats.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Waller's misstep doesn't necessarily means the film's misstep. I think they still could be able to keep the general plot by emphasizing Waller's role as "the actual main antagonists who ultimately got what she wanted."
Just make her interactions with the Squad more pronounced right from the beginning. Maybe make her the Director of Belle Reve. Maintain her as the focus of the Squad's hate. Then make the movie less about saving the world and more about surviving the mess Waller created.
Killer Queen
Banned
Nah he's right, it's pretty sexist, Enchantress is mostly naked most of the time and spends plenty of time er, dancing and then there's just a list of stuff in the way Harley is portrayed along with the ass shots. I don't know much about DC characters so maybe that's part of Harley's character but I can completely understand the complaints of sexism. It's not exactly hidden.
It's after. They briefly show Superman's funeral and the end credits scene involves Walker giving Bruce Wayne a book of all known meta humans including flash and aquaman
Not sure what people aren't getting the: Waller - the film outright says she's wanted Tadk Force X for a while, and Superman's death is just the latest catalyst. Then, yes, she engineers an incident to kickstart it again. Because she's a manipulator. And at the end she manipulates Bruce.
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teenagers will love this movie, can't deny that.
maybe a lot of critics are just out of touch.
this whole fiasco can be summed up as such:
maybe a lot of critics are just out of touch.
this whole fiasco can be summed up as such:
heliosRAzi
Banned
I didn't get that feeling at all. Probably because she gets Task Force X before any of the shit pops off.
WB were right in re-tooling the movie to have a lighter tone.
WB are idiots for cutting any character moment. That shit is what carried the movie.
The plotting was a total mess, and it's clear this is down to Ayer's script and NOT any sort of re-shooting or re-editing.
The way Enchantress just fucks off from Flagg, goes into Waller's room and snags her brothers Statue...like, this is such lazy plotting. It's JJ Abrams level script writing. There is little to no build up.
The Incubus design was a dumpster fire. Did they re-design it? It seemed more interesting based on the quick glimpses in the original trailer.
I actually think Leto was great, and his Joker is the closest to carry a comic book feel yet IMO. any cuts they made to his and Harley's history were a mistake.
The "Acid Marriage" was one of the movie's highlights, and again, cutting anything relating to it, like the leadup was a total mistake.
Will Smith carries the movie on his fucking back, with Robbie and Leto behind him.
Everyone I saw it with agreed. Plot was shit, but they nailed the characters for the most part.
It's probably a 5-5.5/10 Better than X-Men Apocalypse if we're comparing to 2016 cape movies.
WB are idiots for cutting any character moment. That shit is what carried the movie.
The plotting was a total mess, and it's clear this is down to Ayer's script and NOT any sort of re-shooting or re-editing.
The way Enchantress just fucks off from Flagg, goes into Waller's room and snags her brothers Statue...like, this is such lazy plotting. It's JJ Abrams level script writing. There is little to no build up.
The Incubus design was a dumpster fire. Did they re-design it? It seemed more interesting based on the quick glimpses in the original trailer.
I actually think Leto was great, and his Joker is the closest to carry a comic book feel yet IMO. any cuts they made to his and Harley's history were a mistake.
The "Acid Marriage" was one of the movie's highlights, and again, cutting anything relating to it, like the leadup was a total mistake.
Will Smith carries the movie on his fucking back, with Robbie and Leto behind him.
Everyone I saw it with agreed. Plot was shit, but they nailed the characters for the most part.
It's probably a 5-5.5/10 Better than X-Men Apocalypse if we're comparing to 2016 cape movies.
She kinda gets it when Enchantress freaks the politicians out, but they only get a mission when she engineers Enchanttess bolting.
Killer Queen
Banned
That's what I was thinking too lmao, also figured it would've killed Croc. Don't really like that all it took to take down the big villan was a bomb. Couldn't they have just sent a few helicopters and misses and just distracted him instead? Though I guess there would/could be plenty of civilian casualties.
This is mostly my opinion too, though I'm not sure about the lighter tone. I think with the violent joker scenes a darker tone could've worked but then again I don't think the script can realistically support it. But it would've been more cohesive.
Wait, what?
Just remembered another bit which made me giggle because of its pointlessness.
Near the end when Enchantress is blowing up everything and the guy from Stranger Things shouts "HOW DOES SHE KNOW ABOUT THIS TOP SECRET BUILDING BLAH BLAH" then it cuts to Waller underwater(?) having all her knowledge taken from her by a wire, or a tube?
Was that really necessary? Nobody in the cinema is going to be sat there questioning why Enchantress knows the location of secret military bases or whatever it was, just let us enjoy her blowing shit up.
Near the end when Enchantress is blowing up everything and the guy from Stranger Things shouts "HOW DOES SHE KNOW ABOUT THIS TOP SECRET BUILDING BLAH BLAH" then it cuts to Waller underwater(?) having all her knowledge taken from her by a wire, or a tube?
Was that really necessary? Nobody in the cinema is going to be sat there questioning why Enchantress knows the location of secret military bases or whatever it was, just let us enjoy her blowing shit up.
heliosRAzi
Banned
How did she engineer that? Because if she did, it was fucking stupid.
I get the general idea of her wanting Task Force X, but, for the narrative, it's weak. She has already recruited the members for it before anything happens in the movie. There should've been a moment or something where the problem arises necessitating the creation of Task Force X and following through on Waller's plan.
He risks life and limb to rescue Harley. It kind of glosses over any rocky relationship moments outside of some shock therapy at the start.
The constant popular songs for the first 30 minutes had me dying.
Why was Boomerang or Slipknot in the movie?
heliosRAzi
Banned
Slipknot is in the movie because he can climb anything.
Wow. Way to miss the fucking point WB.
Amanda Waller was talking all that shit about having something for the next Superman and her squad included a dude who can climb ropes, a guy who can throw boomerangs, a crazy woman with a baseball bat and pistol, and a Japanese woman with a sword. How is a set of athletic adults with gym supplies going to stop a Kryptonian.
Killer Queen
Banned
I think that was more just an excuse to let her use the Enchantress despite her terrifying abilities and questionable loyalty but yeah it's dumb sending the suicide squad to deal with supernatural or superhuman threats because the only two people cut out for it are now dead.
Lead boomerang lined with Kryptonite for Boomerang.
Slipknot would steal the Lasso of Truth using his gym supplies, trick Superman in a house of mirrors, then hang him via a noose and create a Neogaf thread called "Guys I'm killing Superman lol."
They didn't miss it, Joker left her to die alone after the car crashes and for moments walks away when she throws herself in the acid.
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