Jimquisition: Sky Hype

Hektor said:
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This is one of those times when I'm completely out of the loop. I had no idea that No Man's Sky had such disagreeable fans. Death threats over the game being delayed are bad enough...but they sent the threats to the creator of the game.

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

I love the game anyway, because I'm a sci-fi geek and in it I get to explore a vast alien universe. Simple. Fuck all the background noise from those clowns, I'm sure most other fans are like me, just innocently geeking out with the game.

Also, holy shit Boglins are coming back?!
 
randomengine said:
It also betrays a gross misunderstanding of how procedural generation works. Moreover, most of us - hell all of us - haven't even seen a tiny fraction of what is in the game. Maybe that shit exists out there somewhere, but nobody has seen it yet or if they have, they haven't shared it.
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You may have a misunderstanding of how it works if you don't think some elements of that would have been seen by now.

All that's really left to discover at this point are interesting landscape shapes. The animal parts have all been seen and posted by at least one person. The rest of it, the density of animals and plants seen there...procedural generation isn't magic. What you've already seen in-game is about what you can expect.
 
I'm not sure what Jim was expecting? NMS marketing was far and wide, and it had a huge fanbase before the game even came out. The crazies came out of the closet and they usually involve death threats because they think its harmless and cause a reaction.

Every popular fanbase has a bunch of crazies ready to defend their prize. Heck one time I said Taylor Swift...

hmm, ill stop right there.
 
Sonic Celebration is gonna keep on giving for years to come.

I agree with what he had to say. Fan boy and hype culture is terrible.
 
Being in first place makes Sony fans somehow more obnoxious, especially when an overhyped exclusive game reviews below expectations.
 
I understand that he doesn't like the game, but did the developers molest his mom or something?

He continues hating on the game any chance he gets, even when discussing a different, unrelated game.

He's getting a lot of hate from the so-called "NMS fanboys", but he's openly fanning that hate, which in turn creates more hate.

The game is far from perfect, but it doesn't deserve the hate that Sterling is giving it. Maybe if it was a cash-grab from EA or Activision, but it's not. It's from a small developer with the best of intentions at heart.
 
DeviantBoi said:
I understand that he doesn't like the game, but did the developers molest his mom or something?

He continues hating on the game any chance he gets, even when discussing a different, unrelated game.

He's getting a lot of hate from the so-called "NMS fanboys", but he's openly fanning that hate, which in turn creates more hate.

The game is far from perfect, but it doesn't deserve the hate that Sterling is giving it. Maybe if it was a cash-grab from EA or Activision, but it's not. It's from a small developer with the best of intentions at heart.
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So wait, he isn't allowed to say he dislikes the game and the gameplay that it presents because he finds it boring? Because that's all he said about the game.

The developer has the same intentions at heart as EA and Acti, to make money.
 
dmr87 said:
Jim can rename this episode for next week and post it again.

FFXV
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I think with FFXV people are at least more a little reserved, or ready to call out the dev if they don't deliver. Though I've also only been following the threads on Gaf.
 
DeviantBoi said:
I understand that he doesn't like the game, but did the developers molest his mom or something?

He continues hating on the game any chance he gets, even when discussing a different, unrelated game.

He's getting a lot of hate from the so-called "NMS fanboys", but he's openly fanning that hate, which in turn creates more hate.

The game is far from perfect, but it doesn't deserve the hate that Sterling is giving it. Maybe if it was a cash-grab from EA or Activision, but it's not. It's from a small developer with the best of intentions at heart.
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Did you watch the video? Or did you just jump to posting like a number of other people in this thread.

This video is barely even about the damn game. He even says it's okay for other people to like it. All he mentions is that he finds it mediocre and boring, which he is entirely entitled to think. You know, since it's kind of his job to give opinions about videogames.
 
DeviantBoi said:
I understand that he doesn't like the game, but did the developers molest his mom or something?

He continues hating on the game any chance he gets, even when discussing a different, unrelated game.

He's getting a lot of hate from the so-called "NMS fanboys", but he's openly fanning that hate, which in turn creates more hate.

The game is far from perfect, but it doesn't deserve the hate that Sterling is giving it. Maybe if it was a cash-grab from EA or Activision, but it's not. It's from a small developer with the best of intentions at heart.
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Did you even pay attention to the video?
 
arbok26 said:
I'm not sure what Jim was expecting?
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His expectations, if he had any, don't matter in the slightest. He didn't deserve what he got, period.

DeviantBoi said:
He's getting a lot of hate from the so-called "NMS fanboys", but he's openly fanning that hate, which in turn creates more hate.
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What was he supposed to do, give a game he didn't like a better score and ignore when a rabid subset of its fanbase shut his site down?
 
DeviantBoi said:
I understand that he doesn't like the game, but did the developers molest his mom or something?

He continues hating on the game any chance he gets, even when discussing a different, unrelated game.

He's getting a lot of hate from the so-called "NMS fanboys", but he's openly fanning that hate, which in turn creates more hate.

The game is far from perfect, but it doesn't deserve the hate that Sterling is giving it. Maybe if it was a cash-grab from EA or Activision, but it's not. It's from a small developer with the best of intentions at heart.
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See I just don't agree with this at all. He's allowed to not like the game and talk about how he doesn't like the game.

And good on him for attacking the fucknuts who flip out and send death threats over a delay or a bad review.
 
DeviantBoi said:
I understand that he doesn't like the game, but did the developers molest his mom or something?

He continues hating on the game any chance he gets, even when discussing a different, unrelated game.

He's getting a lot of hate from the so-called "NMS fanboys", but he's openly fanning that hate, which in turn creates more hate.

The game is far from perfect, but it doesn't deserve the hate that Sterling is giving it. Maybe if it was a cash-grab from EA or Activision, but it's not. It's from a small developer with the best of intentions at heart.
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Steve.1981 said:
See I just don't agree with this at all. He's allowed to not like the game and talk about how he doesn't like the game.

And good on him for attacking the fucknuts who flip out and send death threats over a delay or a bad review.
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Steve nailed it for me
 
DeviantBoi said:
I understand that he doesn't like the game, but did the developers molest his mom or something?

He continues hating on the game any chance he gets, even when discussing a different, unrelated game.

He's getting a lot of hate from the so-called "NMS fanboys", but he's openly fanning that hate, which in turn creates more hate.

The game is far from perfect, but it doesn't deserve the hate that Sterling is giving it. Maybe if it was a cash-grab from EA or Activision, but it's not. It's from a small developer with the best of intentions at heart.
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Was this post procedurally generated?
 
Sterling is focusing too much on crazy people when should talk more about what going wrong (or right, don't know) with the pre-release coverage of the game.
 
Mifec said:
So wait, he isn't allowed to say he dislikes the game and the gameplay that it presents because he finds it boring? Because that's all he said about the game.

The developer has the same intentions at heart as EA and Acti, to make money.
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I'm not saying that.

He's done his review. He's called out the developers for whatever promises he thinks they made and then broke with the final product. Why linger so much on a game that he didn't enjoy?

For example, one of his tweets: "Here I am playing Invisible Mind. It's worse than No Man's Sky."

Completely unnecessary, in my opinion. At that point, I feel like he's just hating on the game to get people riled up.

And they did, of course, which makes him call them out some more.

And so and so. It creates a vicious circle of hatred that he could stop by just moving on.

So I don't pity him for whatever trolling he gets on his website and on Twitter. He's doing it on purpose.
 
DeviantBoi said:
I understand that he doesn't like the game, but did the developers molest his mom or something?

He continues hating on the game any chance he gets, even when discussing a different, unrelated game.

He's getting a lot of hate from the so-called "NMS fanboys", but he's openly fanning that hate, which in turn creates more hate.

The game is far from perfect, but it doesn't deserve the hate that Sterling is giving it. Maybe if it was a cash-grab from EA or Activision, but it's not. It's from a small developer with the best of intentions at heart.
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You left out "this game is exactly what the developers said it would be."

Come on man. Everything is open to criticism. NMS doesn't get a pass because it's indie or a small team, even if they had the best intentions. The indie hero mentality needs to stop.
 
DeviantBoi said:
It creates a vicious circle of hatred that he could stop by just moving on.
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you're ignoring the reality of internet harassment

the kind of asshole that's this peronally invested doesn't just move on

edit. also you're basically excusing death threats because you think he asked for it
 
DeviantBoi said:
I'm not saying that.

He's done his review. He's called out the developers for whatever promises he thinks they made and then broke with the final product. Why linger so much on a game that he didn't enjoy?

For example, one of his tweets: "Here I am playing Invisible Mind. It's worse than No Man's Sky."

Completely unnecessary, in my opinion. At that point, I feel like he's just hating on the game to get people riled up.

And they did, of course, which makes him call them out some more.

And so and so. It creates a vicious circle of hatred that he could stop by just moving on.

So I don't pity him for whatever trolling he gets on his website and on Twitter. He's doing it on purpose.
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Jim needs his clicks. Just like every other honest, hard-working gaming media personality.
 
DeviantBoi said:
He's done his review. He's called out the developers for whatever promises he thinks they made and then broke with the final product. Why linger so much on a game that he didn't enjoy?
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Because he got DDOS'd?

He posted a review and the fans went apeshit and he gets to respond to it with this video. This isn't the repeated beatdown you perceive it as. This is a response to a specific thing that happened, not apropos of nothing.
 
aeolist said:
you're ignoring the reality of internet harassment

the kind of asshole that's this peronally invested doesn't just move on

edit. also you're basically excusing death threats because you think he asked for it
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Yeah I was going to say. This is grade a victim blaming

"Well if he didn't want to get harassed about NMS he probably shouldn't have left the house dressed like that. He was asking for it really"
 
Harlock said:
Sterling is focusing too much on crazy people when should talk more about what going wrong (or right, don't know) with the pre-release coverage of the game.
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This, and I'm even more interested in a rational, unemotional discussion of how culpable Sean Murray is in spreading misinformation about the game. The recent multiplayer fiasco is the most obvious example, but I'm fascinated by the long-term justification of similar practices as "avoiding spoilers" and "keeping mystery in the game" etc. As a developer myself, I spent the last couple years sympathizing with him and Hello Games in consideration of my own experiences with being unable to discuss development/goals in as much detail as customers would really like to hear. When the multiplayer fiasco hit, it really put that entire time period into a new light and made me question how sincere/truthful Murray has actually been this entire time, and what his real motivations were in being so intentionally vague.
 
DeviantBoi said:
I'm not saying that.

He's done his review. He's called out the developers for whatever promises he thinks they made and then broke with the final product. Why linger so much on a game that he didn't enjoy?

For example, one of his tweets: "Here I am playing Invisible Mind. It's worse than No Man's Sky."

Completely unnecessary, in my opinion. At that point, I feel like he's just hating on the game to get people riled up.

And they did, of course, which makes him call them out some more.

And so and so. It creates a vicious circle of hatred that he could stop by just moving on.

So I don't pity him for whatever trolling he gets on his website and on Twitter. He's doing it on purpose.
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He isn't talking about the game in this video. He's talking about a toxic section of its fanbase that lashes out at anybody who criticizes it. Like, the opening minutes of the video is centered around him explaining that the message is not meant to be an indictment of NMS itself. Are you sure that you watched it?
 
DeviantBoi said:
I'm not saying that.

He's done his review. He's called out the developers for whatever promises he thinks they made and then broke with the final product. Why linger so much on a game that he didn't enjoy?

For example, one of his tweets: "Here I am playing Invisible Mind. It's worse than No Man's Sky."

Completely unnecessary, in my opinion. At that point, I feel like he's just hating on the game to get people riled up.

And they did, of course, which makes him call them out some more.

And so and so. It creates a vicious circle of hatred that he could stop by just moving on.

So I don't pity him for whatever trolling he gets on his website and on Twitter. He's doing it on purpose.
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To be fair you'd have to be a child to get riled up that easy.
 
PhoReal said:
You left out "this game is exactly what the developers said it would be."

Come on man. Everything is open to criticism. NMS doesn't get a pass because it's indie or a small team, even if they had the best intentions. The indie hero mentality needs to stop.
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Plus, it's not a $20 on Early Access, this is full on retail $60 PS4 release and also $60 on Steam. Whether or not this is Indie is immaterial, especially as far as reviewers are concerned. Jim didn't like the game, he felt it was overhyped and didn't live up to its promises. He should certainly be allowed to state his opinions without receiving inane fanboy messages or death threats.
 
aeolist said:
you're ignoring the reality of internet harassment

the kind of asshole that's this peronally invested doesn't just move on

edit. also you're basically excusing death threats because you think he asked for it
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I said trolling, not death threats.

So someone calls him names on Twitter... that means nothing. Block and move on.
 
DeviantBoi said:
I said trolling, not death threats.

So someone calls him names on Twitter... that means nothing. Block and move on.
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you are not addressing the subject of the video, namely the fans who are so ultra-sensitive that they conduct DDOS attacks against critical reviews and send death threats to journalists for reporting facts
 
Nags said:
Jim needs his clicks. Just like every other honest, hard-working gaming media personality.
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If it were anybody else, I would say the same thing.

But Jim doesn't do ads on videos or on his website, as far as I know. That's all Patron stuff, so he's not baiting for clicks.

I like Jim. I love him, in fact. I love his rants. I thank God for Jim fucking Sterling, every week.

I just think that he's not right in this case.
 
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