And it could have been a one-off that was forgiven.
Reddit Compiles Definitive List of All NMS Missing Features/False Marketing +Sources
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And it could have been a one-off that was forgiven.
It's possible - maybe but he said efficiently. This would certainly not be efficient unless you dupe glitched.
this argument is ridiculous because there's a thousand indie devs working on a thousand ambitious projects who don't have this issue because they communicate honestly and openly about the state of their games
it's not some impossible conundrum where the only options are slick corporate BS and sean murray's nice guy lies, there's a way to do this correctly and lots of people do
Man, the internet can be ruthless, Sean Murray went from indie darling to full on villain in a week.
GankzyMcfly
Member
Could have sworn i heard Sean say in an interview that NMS would be a "space game" and that one could spend the majority of their time in space never landing on a planet if that was their desire (never implying that by doing so they would never have the ability to actually progress significantly).....lets assume i had no idea of all the other things the game is missing like mp and planets that rotate (i heard this is missing as well somebody correct me if im wrong). If Sean ever corrected himself or explained that his crew could no longer create a space only style of gameplay for nms while creating the rest of the game (even if it may be potentially coming in the future) has Sean made any of this clear to anybody in the community? What if this was ones main interest in nms and one bought the game assuming the dev was accurate in his description of his own game? Isnt it fair to assume a developer would decribe the things people can do in his game atleast semi accuratly?
I don't know... Seems pretty standard in many other industries as well...
The burger might not look as good irl, but it has everything on it that its supposed to have according to the marketing. Of course, its taste is subjective
Murray dictionary: "Reduced"
Translation: "Removed" / sometimes means "was never there"
As much as I've criticised the game and Sean I strangely have faith that they'll manage to fix the game. I don't know what content and gameplay mechanics they'll introduce but I think it would really help if Sean wrote a blog vaguely giving us his views on what the future of the game means to him.
It said afaik "reduced further"... So, that could be quite a bit I imagine.
At night, we still see the stars moving though... Not sure if that means much, as what is for sure is that solar systems are not the way that was originally described, but was apparently modified for gameplay issues (and perhaps generating bugs as well, but that's my possible explanation. I remember a dev saying they had seen building starting to move around and float, which a planet moving and rotating could create with structures placed with an algorythm on it).
Yeah, it will be interesting to see what a "fixed" NMS looks like. Apart from a hard reset (which I'd be okay with but I'm sure plenty of people wouldn't), it's never going to match the original vision. For example, life only on 10% or so of worlds? It's the inverse. Even the most devastatingly hot or cold worlds can be teeming with wildlife, which theoretically may be possible but is highly unlikely given what we know of the universe. Stellar proximity meaning something --anything-- might have helped.
I don't know... Seems pretty standard in many other industries as well...
The burgers can see each other.
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Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
You could play the entire game in space once you unlock the starting blueprints for electron vapor, antimatter, and warp cells.
You'd never learn the recipes to upgrade your ship, anything you got you'd have to get from buying a ship. You could farm asteroids and sell the mats you collect from them. You could attack freighters and steal their cargo to sell. It would be slower and a real challenge, but I can't see anything that would prevent you from playing the game completely in space.
Well if reduced further actually means reduced to zero than that's something I'd label as dishonest. Stars moving is nice, but without the planets/moons rising/setting it doesn't make much sense.
Without ship upgrades you are toast with freighter defenses.
DangerStepp
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At then end of the day and all things considered...did they do it?
Did they actually pull it off and sell a 'AAA', fully priced, $60 early access game to the mainstream?
If so, I'm impressed with that feat alone.
Did they actually pull it off and sell a 'AAA', fully priced, $60 early access game to the mainstream?
If so, I'm impressed with that feat alone.
Yes!
No need to hold Hello Games to AAA standarts, there's more than enough indies to compare them to. Many even make games in the same genre.
MasterMenace
Member
No, they sold an Early Access indie title priced at $60.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
You could eventually buy a ship with upgrades pre-installed.
LOL
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Interesting, yes this article has not been quoted as much and sometimes this kind of threads ends up being a bit of an aggressive echo chamber biased one way or the other.
DangerStepp
Member
Notice 'AAA' was in quotes.
'AAA' in terms of marketing and stage presence, Sony backing, etc.
family_guy
Member
Kind of an issue where your experience can be drastically different than another person's due to its design. Maybe they should have found a middle ground by having a fixed linear "campaign" with a handful of handcrafted planets, and then once you complete that the game opens up for you to do as you please.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Notice 'AAA' was in quotes.
'AAA' in terms of marketing and stage presence, Sony backing, etc.
and also not worth the 60 dollars it is charging to begin with?
sounds like a AAA title to me... no shade on Hello Games for the price point
people would still be losing their shit like this if this was a 10 dollar game.
Many of his lies were said on Stephen Colbert's late night show. Where do you think the average gamer's knowledge base about this game would come from: late night television? Several youtube videos? Or this one New Yorker article?
Technically you could make it to the center without ever landing on a planet but it would take ages and be the worst experience ever. You can farm Thamium9 in space and sell it at a space station to buy more items. After that you can simply wait for other ships to dock and buy items needed to make warp drives, in fact I did that a few times for anti matter when I didn't have the recipe. Like I said though it would take ages and be completely miserable.
Probably like the latest Zelda "You can finish the game right from the start, why would you want to though?"
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
I wish they spent more time making planets have unique biomes of some sort. Every planet I have seen is the same pretty much the whole way around... which defeats the point in the planet being so fucking big... you pretty much just launch down and say.. good enough.. I'll look around here... no point in going to the other sides unless you get a crash signal or whatnot.. because it's the same over there, the same on the poles, the same at the equator... etc.
Can you name some examples? I would bet you could be as nitpicky with any other game. That or the devs were super tight lipped like the INSIDE devs.
The other issue is that NMS is an indie game marketed like a AAA game which makes it unique.
edit. i think i misunderstood this
Led_Zeppelin
Member
The INSIDE devs never said you'd be able to see other players when you couldn't.
GeordieMark
Member
I think it's too big a job to fix NMS. It feels like a lot of what is there were last minute inclusions. I honestly think Hello Games have had some Destiny-level development issues, and what we have is nothing like what they intended to ship. Game Dev is hard and sometimes you need to make a call to cut stuff that isn't working, or simply because time ran out. I don't think this is a case of lying, rather Sean being a PR novice and a game that had to be released before it was ready.
I'd be more inclined to point an accusatory finger at Sony for dramatically over-hyping the game as if it was a first-party AAA. They would have known what state the game was in and could have controlled the PR better, but instead released the game as is and sent review copies at the last minute so they could kill it with the day one sales. It may sound cynical, but that's my take on this.
Discussions would be so much better without accusation of shilling or 1 side unilaterally declaring that they're the sole bearer of truth and what is good in the universe...
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Well comparatively was there any actual proof that Jim was DDOSed by NMS fans other than the obvious connection?
Either way, I think the options are probably that he either was hacked by a zealous fan, or more likely, he deleted the account due to nasty messages like the ones Jason Schreier got.
Yes. Easily.
Because of crashes, people have easily made the claim for a refund on PSN. I made a refund claim on Amazon on the grounds that the product was defective/broken (again, crashes). Steam should accept for the same reason.
This has been explained repeatedly, but this is a bunk comparison.I don't know... Seems pretty standard in many other industries as well...
When I order a burger from Burger King, I'm a smart enough consumer to understand that it won't look as perfect as the ad I saw on TV.
I also expect that every ingredient will be there.
With a game, if someone says, "This fighting game will have one of the most groundbreaking story modes of all time!," I'm going to view that with a ton of salt.
I will however expect that the story mode exist once I buy the game. Quality is subjective, inclusion is not.
PUHLEASEEEEEEEEE.
Holy shit.
Exactly, they never said shit! Probably because they understand that some players don't know that game dev requires cutting most of what you make. That's fine if they want to do that, but is that what you want from all devs? No transparency and then poof it's out!
(I agree lying about multiplayer is bad. Most of this list is ridiculous though. )
Edit: interesting point in the post above me. Is seeing something in a trailer the same as saying it will be in the final game?
i think you wouldn't be seeing this particular blowback if they'd just been silent about the game other than trailers and screenshots. people would still be disappointed in its quality but not that it's missing features that nobody ever expected.
Any Questions
Member
Hey the idea of a Ghostbuster remake wasn't that interesting to begin with, there were legitimate complains to be made about the whole project.
then you have the MRA types that go on a rampage about it.
Same here, you have legitimate complaints about the game and then there's BS like that 'no Sand' complaint or stuffs like that.
You also have death threats launched at people too.
The parallel isn't perfect but you can make a decent one.
Then we've gotten to the root of the issue. The game industry is ready to be transparent, a portion of the player base is not ready for devs to be transparent.
I think there is miscommunication. As a dev I don't think with a game like this, something being in a trailer is a promise. For some players it seems it is.
Not saying anything is much better than saying something is included when it's clearly not.
One lacks transparency, sure, but there are no expectations and the player finds things out for themselves.
The other is an outright lie. This one causes massive backlash, since consumers influenced to buy the product based on this lie may feel a little pissed off.
Then the lesson learned for the industry is that all game studios should just stfu?
Your'e viewing these things as intentional lies. Likely it is a product of iteration. Is it the studios job to keep you updated on when they remove sand?
I think that's why Sean needs to put out a statement on his site detailing what he wants to do with the game. But personally I think the game will be known for the shit storm it caused and nothing more.
Although I'd love to see his team turn it around and make the game as great as they can because if they can do it then it'll be known as the game that released as it did but turned out fine.
Games like Diablo 3 managed to do a turnaround, and Slain is a more recent example of a game where the devs turned things around. It definitly can happen.
Also, I think No Man's Sky (on PC) will be fine because the game seems pretty moddable (so far)
Clockwork5
Member
You get ship upgrades from space station vendors from time to time.
It is totally possible to play a "space only" run.
GeordieMark
Member
The middle ground is making clear that footage comes from a work in progress and may not be represetitive of the final product. You sometimes see this message on early footage anyway. To be honest, you're catering to the lowest common denominator doing this anyway. Most sensible people know how this stuff works.
either stfu or don't be selectively transparent. Sure, Sean Murray was super 'transparent' about development when he said you could 'see other players', but maybe 2 weeks before launch instead of doubling down and saying it was still in the game, he could have instead been actually transparent and said it wasn't in there.
And please, no one cite the bullshit, day of release tweet from Murray that was just as vague about 'the odds of it happening are slim' crap.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I've also explained this before.
Development transparency about what's being tested and added is great. But it's no stretch to expect that transparency to continue when you know the features won't actually make it in.
If you're selling people on your game via a look into your development process, you owe it to them(and to yourself to cover your ass) to explain to them when and why things are not being added, just like you'd explain when and why things are being added.
Transparency, great. Selective transparency, not great.
I mean, I think it is.
I'm open to counterarguments though.
I think the water is made more murky by the fact that Sean gave so many interviews about the game, giving another outlet for marketing the game.