Ryan Lochte, 32 yo drunk "kid", pees in public, tried to bribe a dude, guns(?!?)
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EatinOlives
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Are you serious? Because one random citizen getting mugged on a daily basis doesnt make international news. It's the statistics that do. Rio already looks bad thanks to the high crime statistics, but it's nonsense to assume there isn't a vested political interest in proving that the swimmers were lying. Brazilian authorities would not expend this much effort in making sure the "stories are straight" if this were random citizens reporting a robbery, get real.
Exactly. This reeks of trying to save face while on the international spotlight. Wanting to investigate robberies is one thing, literally yanking people off planes and revoking passports is just a transparent obsession.
No, I did not.
The police are not just investigating a misdemeanor, they're investigating an armed robbery. They can't close the books on the serious crime investigation without getting to the bottom of the dumb crime investigation.
The only ones pursuing this vigorously is the media. Hearing that the person involved had a reality show probably explains why the US media is all over it, but for the local authorities this seems like a pretty standard investigation. They've investigated multiple crimes involving athletes and IOC members, and them dedicating time to these issues is part of the ridiculously expensive package the Brazilians are paying for with these games. Enjoy.
ldcommando
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Yes, you guys figured it all out, Brazilian authorities are doing this in an attempt to erase all the bad press about the olympics.
I hope they get stuck here for a while, fucking liers. Too bad lochte escaped instead of admitting on cheating on his girlfriend or doing blow or whatever. Fucking coward.
I hope they get stuck here for a while, fucking liers. Too bad lochte escaped instead of admitting on cheating on his girlfriend or doing blow or whatever. Fucking coward.
Suikoguy
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I can't help but read this and get a hint of some sort of agenda, I wonder what that is...
It's also amazing that, the only "evidence" we have is a video taken after the fact that they were not "distraught" enough.
Dude, we bitch about what happens in the United States all the time, you seriously can't take criticism of Brazil at all can you?
Of course, Massa, you could be like this guy, so there is that.
Idcommando, I had no idea they were such liers, you better watch your back when around them, they may ambush you at any point.
EatinOlives
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Simply restarting the other side's argument sarcastically is not a compelling argument of its own. But I'm sure you already knew that.
So why waste money trying to extradite and detain them? I mean if, as you said, they are "just" investigating the robbery, why not pick up a phone? Clarify the statements and be done with it?
You said:
Pretty sure you aren't referring to the alleged robber. So which is it? Are they investigating the robbery or the swimmers? Sounds like it's the latter.
Fuck thieves, we can nab Americans for lying, that'll show em.
Do you sense an agenda on the text I was replying to, or is any of it relevant to the Ryan Lochte topic? I'll quote again:
There.
That's not really the only evidence, as has been said a few posts back.
As for your other statement, I don't think that's very fair as I actually criticize Brazil a lot here on GAF, and I have no problem debating its problems with people that are actually interested in understanding more about them (unfortunately this thread was an exception, as I took the bait and joined the discussion over a shithead calling the country a "shit hole"). In any case, I don't think our federal police doing its job is worthy of criticism.
And say what on the phone?
- Hey guys, the evidence here is really showing that you made up a crime and lied to us.
- Oh yeah, sorry about that.
- But that's actually illegal.
- Oh no problem, that's just a minor misdemeanor, so we cool right?
It doesn't work like that anywhere in the world. When the police launches an investigation over alleged crimes, they have to follow through all the way, no? I've seen that on multiple episodes of CSI, at least, haha.
And the police aren't asking for anyone to be extradited, that's horseshit from your media. They will forward 12 questions to Lochte through the FBI, the idea of Brazil asking the US government to extradite a US citizen over this is absurd.
Fox Mulder
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What a joke, but once the Olympics are done, the spotlight will move on and no one will care about or make fun of Brazil anymore.
lol not really. the original issue didn't even reach 100 posts on here and it was probably pretty much water under the bridge until these other swimmers were detained
I really feel for anybody that has to live in Brazil
I've lived in Rio for most of my life and despite the fact that I don't live in Brazil anymore, you don't need to feel sorry for me.
ldcommando
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I really feel for anybody that has to live in Brazil
I´m doing fine, but thank you for your concern. If you are that worried I can pm you my paypal account so you can make a small donation to, you know, ease my suffering. Any ammount will suffice. Thank you again kind sir.
Monocle
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Lochte is such a bro. Love it.
I just wanted to say: there are no beaches being closed at night because of security concerns. It's a fallacy.
And the same police that's doing the president investigation is doing this investigation. Why trust them then and not trust them now?
And, i suppose no one needs to know about this, but for people saying "why don't they fight actual crime in Rio?"... they do? That's why the city has been on a donward slope on crime for many years. Still very violent, but no more violent than many cities in... Usa
http://otaviopinto.com/index.php/2016/07/31/large-american-cities-murder-rates-rio/
That line of thinking "they shouldn't care about this when there are more important stuff to do" is a bit of a bollocks. There are always more important things to do, but you can't go and ignore everything else.
At least the olympics are soon to be over and people will end with exaggerations about Brazil and Rio, since they will stop caring.
And the same police that's doing the president investigation is doing this investigation. Why trust them then and not trust them now?
And, i suppose no one needs to know about this, but for people saying "why don't they fight actual crime in Rio?"... they do? That's why the city has been on a donward slope on crime for many years. Still very violent, but no more violent than many cities in... Usa
http://otaviopinto.com/index.php/2016/07/31/large-american-cities-murder-rates-rio/
That line of thinking "they shouldn't care about this when there are more important stuff to do" is a bit of a bollocks. There are always more important things to do, but you can't go and ignore everything else.
At least the olympics are soon to be over and people will end with exaggerations about Brazil and Rio, since they will stop caring.
andythinkpad
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You guys are keep forgetting the whole point of modern Olympic. The point of modern Olympic is 1) Make money for IOC and the host city (only happened in LA and nowadays only IOC make money) 2) A tourism advertisement for the host city/country.
By pursuing the swimmers vigorously, the Brazilians are just keep putting a bad light and bad publicity to themselves. How are you going to prove they were lying? They aren't even talking. You don't have cameras in every corner, you will never prove anything happened or not happened in the commonly accepted standard. So you are just wasting resources (you can use to catch the thug that robbed the other British athlete.)
An what if a Brazilian judge decide to put the 2 remaining athletes in jail? What are you going to prove? Americans are liars? Never mind Ryan Lothte was the one who made the statement. And IOC and American diplomatic service have to come out to beg for lenient sentence? Obama has to make a call? Just to make it a 10 times bigger farce than it already is? I already said it before the end game doesn't make Rio look better now you just want me to spell it out for you.
As I said, it comes down to a vindictive attitude, a lack of generosity form a tourist city. Maybe the Rio residents got royalty screwed by the tyrannic IOC demands and corrupted local contractors, you don't want to take it out on the visiting guests.
But i don't think what the police is doing is the best course of action simply because there is no way to prove they are lying, as you said. I don't know if they have something that we don't know, but apart from the story sounding fishy, there's not much ground for anything police related, with that i agree.
I was just replying those comments based on misconceptions and half truths. No one ever said Rio was a paradise, but the city is not only problems either and no one should pity anyone who lives there.
I was just replying those comments based on misconceptions and half truths. No one ever said Rio was a paradise, but the city is not only problems either and no one should pity anyone who lives there.
Calamari41
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Here's the difference. Anywhere else in the world, the police don't launch an investigation when all they have is a vague Today Show interview. If I went into LAPD headquarters raving about being mugged, they would say "did you fill out a report?" I could be bleeding on the floor and they wouldn't do anything other than call an ambulance for me until I filled out a report. They don't have time to launch a federal investigation over the equivalent of some guy telling another guy in a bar "Yeah bro I totally fought off three muggers."
Shit like that, or this Lochte thing (if he's lying) are why they require an official report before they expend resources.
Calm down, american fellows.
This will be solved very fast. In this country even if you kill someone, it's hard to go to jail.
It's a minor case and even if Lochte was lying, the police just want a confession to show their 'great' efficiency!
If it was in other times, nothing would happen. But in this moment, the visibility of Olympics is triggering these weird actions.
This will be solved very fast. In this country even if you kill someone, it's hard to go to jail.
It's a minor case and even if Lochte was lying, the police just want a confession to show their 'great' efficiency!
If it was in other times, nothing would happen. But in this moment, the visibility of Olympics is triggering these weird actions.
You need a bit of perspective here. The entire time, you're thinking like this issue is happening in the US, and it isn't. Lying to the police is a crime in Brazil and they tend to go after those who lied, at least if it is a case that made the news. That's true for locals and foreigners. Also, it is normal for the police to confiscate the passport of someone they think might leave the country during an investigation. It might look vindictive to an outsider, but it is not to a local.
Well, here they do if it was a famous or rich person saying that to the media, even if no report was filed.
Lochte gave his statement before he left. There was an investigation underway before those guys were summoned.
You're just getting your facts wrong.
Brazil is being incredibly stupid about this whole thing. This was water under the bridge and nobody was talking about it. Now we have a story where scary vindictive Brazil is yanking swimmers off planes and holding them in a country all because they think they lied about a story.
Calamari41
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My point is that Lochte shouldn't have had to give a statement to the police in the first place if he didn't want to. Or, I guess, wouldn't have at home. And either way, theres no evidence unless the Brazilian feds are hiding something, waiting for a Phoenix Wright moment. This is clearly political.
Like, if I go to Brazil and over dinner I tell my buddy a tall tale that I fought off a mugger, and a cop happens to be sitting at the table next to me and overhears... am I going to be pulled off of my plane two days later when that cop's investigation, which he initiated on his own, is inconclusive? Of course not.
...Right?
But the Swimmers didnt file a police report though, Why should the onus be on the swimmers because they decided to investigate over something they heard 3rd party (media interviews).
I can see if the swimmers initiated the investigation with the police (Like people who swat, etc)
Unless you are telling me in Brazil its illegal NOT to file a police report also because thats ridiculous.
example:
For that to be illegal or require a passport hold is ridiculous
Dynamite Shikoku
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What's the big deal?
Well the big deal currently is that Brazil will pull you off planes and detain you for telling tall tales. Pretty scary stuff. Now this is going to be in the news until the swimmers come home
Calamari41
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I mean, this is pretty out there: "A lawyer for the two athletes said they will not be allowed to leave Brazil until they provide testimony to investigators, who are still searching answers about how the swimmers got robbed Sunday morning along with teammate Ryan Lochte."
In the US, if you're not charged with a crime you're free to go within (I believe) 48 hours, and you have the right to remain silent. And that's when you're the suspect in an investigation, not a witness. I realize that the US has a lot more protections for its citizens than Brazil probably does, but it's certainly not a good look and I can't understand why they're doing this even if Lochte and company did lie.
He gave a statement together with his lawyer and members of the US Team as the police requested. And it was not just a mugging. He is saying that a gang disguised as police officers ambushed his cab, implying that the driver was part of the scheme. This is a lil' bit more complicated than 'boys will be boys telling their tall tales'.
Stop with delusions of grandeur that they are playing a political act. This is a worrisome episode and justice is at work.
Also, they have been detained for a suspicion of false witness and communicating a fabricated robbery, which in Brazil is equivalent to fraud.
Calamari41
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Unless the Brazilians come out with something more compelling than "I don't know, it just doesn't feel right," then this is a political act. Would anyone even believe a confession at this point, considering it's becoming pretty clear that they won't be released until such a confession is given? I'd admit to anything if it meant I could get the hell home.
Maybe the AP is behind on the story, but they're reporting that the two dragged off of their plane never testified in the first place.
So is he a suspect or victim?
How can he be a suspect before they conclude that he is not a victim?
If Lochte gave a statement with his lawyers, why are the other guys being help like they were the ones who did it?
Stop with this weird nationalistic defense please. It's absolutely political.
Ganzlinger
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The police is doing their job but that's not really a smart decision like many people said. To me, they are trying to achieve a confession so they can help the country's image to get a little better. I think the whole story is really fishy and I tend to believe Lochte was lying (and that would be really awful because he ruined the country's image even more) but just let it go.
So watching some videos and Lochte changes his story a lot. The general play through is the same but a lot of the details change quite a bit from how it went down to his reaction to the gun man and so on. Not saying he's bold faced lying but it does seem like a lot of wild inconsistencies.
He was a victim until the judge saw some many inconsistent details on the statement that she decided to summon them for further explanations. Now they pretty much are suspected of fabricating the whole story.
Lochte just fled the country before the judge dispatched the order for seizing his passport.
I have the impression that it would have been way less overblown if it had been a normal robbery. When you state that it was a fake police patrol, you're up for some complicated developments.
And they are not hostages, but they can't leave the country. They're not even restricted to their hotel afaik.
Lochte just fled the country before the judge dispatched the order for seizing his passport.
I have the impression that it would have been way less overblown if it had been a normal robbery. When you state that it was a fake police patrol, you're up for some complicated developments.
And they are not hostages, but they can't leave the country. They're not even restricted to their hotel afaik.
Calamari41
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You may have missed my edit, but the two dragged off of the plane never made any statements or testimonies on the topic and were never interviewed by the police. Why are they being dragged off of planes and not allowed to leave the country?
I don't live in Brazil. This is not political at all, no one is giving a fuck about it. Most people want to know about the soccer finals, not some American swimmers ffs.
They are enrolled as witnesses since the opening of the process. The law gives enough power to the magistrate to keep them in the country in order to conduct any investigation necessary.
Calamari41
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The opening of a process that nobody asked for. This is not a good look, and not what Americans (who comprise the majority of this forum) are used to, and thus find surprising. That's all.
Anyway, the lawyers and the US consulate are involved now, so you can bet that the quickest solution that will get these guys home is the one that will be implemented.
Fox Mulder
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I can see them being sensitive because the story involves people dressed as cops. Still, should have let it die if no one asked for an investigation. Do cops in Brazil stalk bars and shit looking to bust anyone for lies?
We are and what they are saying sounds ridiculous (not what they are literally saying, but how the system works)
Calamari41
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We're not saying that they don't have the right to do what they're doing. We're saying it doesn't look good.
The police forcing you to give statements in exchange for being released is the poster child for how false confessions happen. It's why you have the right to not talk to them in the US, and why they have to release you if they can't find any evidence after 48 hours.
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