Police is saying otherwise.
Ryan Lochte, 32 yo drunk "kid", pees in public, tried to bribe a dude, guns(?!?)
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Police is saying otherwise.
Wow I guess winning Medals isn't a cool enough story
I have a very healthy distrust (both here and abroad) of any official word without proof. Why not just release the video and be done with it?
SirClinksAlot
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So weird. But it makes sense Lochte would be involved in something stupid like this. Dude is a moron.
They probably got up to some Very Bad Things style shenanigans and needed some kinda excuse or distraction.
Or they're just very bad characters.
I want this to be a Bradley Cooper movie in 5 years.
I could see it from his point of view as being a scam or robbery, I mean if a toilet breaks and the gas station attendant/security guard points a gun at demands cash thats kind of fucked up but it seems they went overboard in the details making themselves blameless (if they did infact break the toilet who knows).
SliceSabre
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Pretty much sure nothing will appear until the case is closed.
And I can imagine those gas station guards being overly aggressive. I know some bad cases.
Calamari41
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Then they should be prepared to take shit for this, if they can't or won't release the evidence.
A crime committed against an athlete is a national security issue for a country hosting the Olympics and dedicating over 100+ thousand extra people to the security of the event.
http://g1.globo.com/rio-de-janeiro/...m-posto-de-gasolina-envolvendo-nadadores.html
Looks like they where in a fight.
Looks like they where in a fight.
Ya, people making up all kinds of piss poor analogies ITT. This was a high profile US olympian talking shit about the host country.
Of course the host country would take it very seriously.
Calamari41
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This is a reach, and speaks to my observation last night that this policy is ripe for abuse.
Or did they find the people who threw rocks/shot at the bus carrying those journalists? All I can find is that they "beefed up security" in response, which is the normal reaction and basically what I said would happen here in my Kobe Bryant analogy. They didn't seem to have detained everyone on the bus, even though some of those people have told the media that they were shot at rather than that they had rocks thrown at them. Interesting, as saying that they were shot at goes against the conclusion of the police, and could be construed as a made up story if indeed it were false.
Ganzlinger
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The version of the Gas station fight is all over the news around here now. It seems they stopped the taxi to go to the gas station to use the bathroom. They broke the door and didn't want to pay (don't know if they were drunk or if it was an accident). There was a heated discussion, the security had a gun and only showed it to them to prevent any stupid fighting (no gun to the head) and called the police but the swimmers made a deal and resolved the situation at the local before the police arrived.
If there is a video, it would clarify things once and for all.
If there is a video, it would clarify things once and for all.
ldcommando
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We have to know how much the security guard charged for the broken door to know if it was indeed a robbery.
Most likely all their money. Not kidding.
LyleLanley
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Lochte is 32 years old.
Sammy Samusu
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The video will definitely be released, the pressure from both BR and US and too big.
ldcommando
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Lochte is 32 years old.
The "boys being boys" line that is used to excuse white people behavior is also very common here in Brazil.
Of course they would but in the US, their passports would not be withheld nor would they be pulled off planes.
Maybe next time they should lie about getting robbed in the US then.
Norwegian Rudo
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The original story came from Lochte's mother making a stink about her poor son getting robbed, so odds are this is exactly what happened-
SliceSabre
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But it isn't the US so this means absolutely nothing. If you're in another country you go by their rules not your home country's. Don't like it? Don't come then.
Same applies to people visiting the US.
Calamari41
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People are allowed to have an opinion about another country's legal system. It's legal to do a lot of things, and illegal to do a lot of other things, in many different countries. That doesn't mean that nobody can opine.
The response is a only slightly unreasonable considering the high profile nature of the accusation and those involved. Best to clear it up while everyone still in Brazil and can provide interviews.
This, thank you! You said it better than I could have...
"The Booze Brothers"
It's almost like people think that notions of civil liberty should be universal, sovereignty be damned!
It is not authoritarian at all, I'm sorry. Misleading an investigation is very problematic.
But for example, the IRS wants to be able to void your passport validity if you owe them. This was deemed illegal by Brazilian authorities regarding their reach on pursuing tax evaders.
Calamari41
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I disagree and consider it quite unreasonable, but that's ok, I don't have a problem with honest disagreement. You're a good guy, and I do see where you're coming from and don't begrudge you your opinion.
SliceSabre
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I tend to be of mind you mind your Ps and Qs when you're in another country. Example those people who get arrested for giving out Bibles while in North Korea. While I feel bad they got arrested I still blame for breaking that country's law on purpose even if I may not agree with it.
ldcommando
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If they confirm this gas station misunderstanding version everything is getting dropped.
This was discussed last night on the news and they said if he did lie it is a misdemeanor and misdemeanors aren't a valid reason for extradition. The crime has to be more severe.
So they were a bit drunk, they somehow damaged a door in a restroom and a security guard brandished a firearm to get them to "pay for the door" that instant before allowing them to leave? Sounds like a typical extortion/shakedown event in a foreign country. Happens to people of all nationalities all the time. Based on your perspective and the actual facts (was the door already broken?), you could even call it a likely scam (robbery).
Lochte obviously embellished the story but the dude is a total moron and I don't think there is enough here to really get them on anything. At least, not in a way that would be easy to justify to the international community.
Lochte obviously embellished the story but the dude is a total moron and I don't think there is enough here to really get them on anything. At least, not in a way that would be easy to justify to the international community.
Calamari41
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I agree with you, pretty much. A lot of us are just in the phase where we are shaking our heads at our disagreement with the country in question's law.
I don't know if its as reasonable to expect someone like Lochte to be aware of this set of laws as it should be reasonable to expect a gay couple, for example, to be aware that they probably shouldn't kiss in public in certain Middle Eastern countries, though...
No really. He called the police and brandished a firearm because they wanted to leave as the police was taking too long.
It is around 12am in Brazil, I guess that tracking people and gathering them takes some time.
SRTtoZ
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Lets be honest though. This thing sounded a bit made up from the very beginning. They pointed guns at him and told him to get down and he refused? Either he's very dumb or lying (again, who knows). Then the whole 'whatever' thing. Ryan this isn't a shitty reality show, you can't just make that up.
But if Brazil is preventing Americans from boarding planes they are already making it complicated.
They are not. You are making it complicated when you say that they can't do it.
The fact that you and others see this in nationalistic terms says more about you, I think. Civil liberties should be important to all of us and I would absolutely be pissed if the government did the same here.
moai
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it is very reasonable that they took the passports from people that are currently under investigation. they should have been detained at the first police check and prevented from boarding the plane. people here are trying to make this to look like that ben affleck movie about that hostages in iran.
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