Go with the KS8000. It looks great to me. I love OLED too but it's just too much money for what it is. And I've read multiple places that the input lag in the B6 is in the 50s. I imagine it's worse in HDR mode. If you're deadset on OLED get the C6, the curve is barely noticeable it packs 3D and the input lag is comparable to the E6 as it's in the 30s. That's your best bet. I'm going with the KS8000 because right now there isn't enough content to legitimize oled IMO. I'm also a huge gamer so input lag is also a big factor. C6>B6. Same price. Oh and I don't have the cash for oled!
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Go with the KS8000. It looks great to me. I love OLED too but it's just too much money for what it is. And I've read multiple places that the input lag in the B6 is in the 50s. I imagine it's worse in HDR mode. If you're deadset on OLED get the C6, the curve is barely noticeable it packs 3D and the input lag is comparable to the E6 as it's in the 30s. That's your best bet. I'm going with the KS8000 because right now there isn't enough content to legitimize oled IMO. I'm also a huge gamer so input lag is also a big factor. C6>B6. Same price. Oh and I don't have the cash for oled!
No Dolby vision is pretty worrying. A lot of money for a set that lacks a potentially important tech.
Or less for a format that couldn't matter. Idk. Samsung and Sony both don't support Dolby and they're tv Titans. Probably because Dolby is closed off and requires it's own chip. Everyone supports hdr10 these days like Xbox One S. This shit is so annoying, format wars, but HDR10 seems to have won the battle before it began even though it could be inferior tech. It's just that the major players in tv sets have adopted it, the visionaries like Vizio and LG have both and so do the top content creators like Amazon and Netflix. All the chips just seem to be in HDR10's corner
FaintColt388301
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So the KS8000 is a pretty safe bet? Looking to upgrade my old TV in a couple weeks. Probably gonna go with a smaller size for my room and try to keep it under $1500.
rokkerkory
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Wonder if costco has ks8000 equivilent
The ks8000 is a hidden gem. Great value. And HDR gaming is awesome on it. I'm not buying a 2500 tv that doesn't display games well on HDR
guitarguy316
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Yes it's ks800D and is a darker gray color
Just ordered the 65" Samsung KS8000.
I have planned to move the PC into the living room for a while, tried importing a 55" monitor out of S Korea, twice actually, both times screen cracked in transit.
Under $1800 for the 65" model, no other TV in this size range does the monitor duty well, does chroma 4:4:4 @60Hz and have reasonable input lag. There are OLED's that should perform better but a lot more expensive and this is already maxing out the budget.
I have planned to move the PC into the living room for a while, tried importing a 55" monitor out of S Korea, twice actually, both times screen cracked in transit.
Under $1800 for the 65" model, no other TV in this size range does the monitor duty well, does chroma 4:4:4 @60Hz and have reasonable input lag. There are OLED's that should perform better but a lot more expensive and this is already maxing out the budget.
Art Vandilay
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Thanks, I guess if I go the OLED route I'll be getting a C6. I had no idea it mitigates input lag so well. I totally understand how price is an issue though. Those things aren't cheap.
Edit: I think I'm just going to wait until Black Friday before making a decision. Gears 4 releases October 11th and with its release we will be able to get a better idea of what HDR input lag will be like.
The KS8000 is way more expensive than the Vizio p65 here.
Didn't realize Netflix supported HDR10. Thought it was just Dolby. Is there anything that is
Dolby exclusive?
All I know is Vudu is Dolby Exclusive
Really wish Dolby Vision was the standard HDR10 is a fucking mess right now no dynamic metadata per scene means you get such an inconsistent exp & calibration settings are useless since you need to change your settings movie by movie and sometimes within the freaking movie itself no wonder so many avs members are unhappy.
Now with dynamic HDR10 around the corner if they don't firmware update 'old' sets or if they simply can not there will be so many pissed owners who have been left with an obsolete HDR display. Smh.
Now with dynamic HDR10 around the corner if they don't firmware update 'old' sets or if they simply can not there will be so many pissed owners who have been left with an obsolete HDR display. Smh.
Yappadappadu
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For sure.
Hoping for some clarifications by LG next week at the german IFA exhibition.
Hoping for some clarifications by LG next week at the german IFA exhibition.
finalflame
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I'm sure all sets that properly support HDR10 will be updated to support HDR10+Dynamic Metadata in firmware.
Dolby Vision, while currently superior, is proprietary and lacking backing from two MAJOR players: Sony and Samsung. I wouldn't put too much weight on it.
Well it'll mostly be up to Samsung, considering they dwarf Sony in market share. If they end up supporting it then Sony would likely follow.
Sadly there is no promise at all that HDMI 2.0a displays will get support for Dynamic HDR.
At the moment it is slated for release with HDMI 2.1. If the HDMI 2.0a spec can't support Dynamic HDR10 it's going to be a huge blow to owners the industry better not play it off as early adapters bs like they have in the past.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1457513362
Oh well now we wait and see hopefully good news for current UHD owners at IFA 2016 which starts this Friday.
I had to move my PC off of my E6 for little while and back on my desktop 4K monitor. I miss those colors already
E6 is such a great TV, I can't praise it enough. Can't go back to anything else after turning it on. It's beautiful.
Yappadappadu
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Then I'd say go for the C6 if you don't mind the curve and one less HDMI port.
rokkerkory
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thanks it's on sale for $1780 at costco.com
I have 0 experience watching a curved set so I'm gonna see if any of the local Best Buy's have the 65" on display. One less HDMI port should be okay since everything runs through my receiver.
I feel like I saw someone say that the c6 and e6 have the same input lag. Am I making that up? I'm having trouble finding numbers for the c6, but it seems that it uses the same processor as the e6...
finalflame
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Hm, that's some shit -- but then it's also true that IF DV is to be implemented into UHD BR (the only way it'll become a true standard), it would also require HDMI 2.1. With that said, I'm glad I have a Samsung panel (KS8000) with a SmartConnect box. Hopefully if it's the case, I can just get the updated SmartConnect box with HDMI2.1 and be good to go.
Art Vandilay
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Oh damn, I forgot about that. Hopefully an updated box will be reasonably priced.
Yappadappadu
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From what we know Dolby Vision doesn't require HDMI 2.1.
I had last year's LG 55EF9600/960V for about two weeks and the curve didn't bother me that much, though I'd still go for a flat TV given the choice.
I had last year's LG 55EF9600/960V for about two weeks and the curve didn't bother me that much, though I'd still go for a flat TV given the choice.
Correct about the same input lag number.
Yeah flat would definitely be preffered, but if it can save me a grand I may have to go with the curve. I suppose with Best Buy's 15 day return policy or whatever it is I would have time to really try it out.
Oh and thanks for confirming the input lag!
OG_Original Gamer
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Why is that, Sony and Samsung are willing to take advantage of all the research and work Dolby did to bring HDR to theaters and displays. But refuse to pay the licensing fee. Dolby creating the EOTF(PQ) which represents what HDR10 is, tone mapping and the overall workflow. HDR would be a lot easier to deal with for consumers and studio colorist, if they had supported, the researchers.
When Dolby Vision goes physical, how do they continue to not support them. Samsung and Phollips are trying to create a dynamic metadata standard. It all just seems very messy to me.
When Dolby Vision goes physical, how do they continue to not support them. Samsung and Phollips are trying to create a dynamic metadata standard. It all just seems very messy to me.
Yappadappadu
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Ooops, I obviously meant the 55EG9600/960V. The EF9500 is flat.
DJ Lushious
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Yappa is correct here. Dolby Vision only requires 1.4. To quote one of the VPs at Dolby:
In my opinion, I think it is crystal clear how superior Dolby Vision is to HDR10 and, in the future, HDR10+Metadata.
f@luS
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What do you guys think of the lg 65ef950v ??
I have 4000 bucks for the best 65" HDR 4K. 2016 oled of this size is 7-8k so it's too much and I still want 3D so Samsung ks8-9k is out of question
I can have this one for 4000(normal price ) with a 1000e payback (which can go for ps neo )
I have 4000 bucks for the best 65" HDR 4K. 2016 oled of this size is 7-8k so it's too much and I still want 3D so Samsung ks8-9k is out of question
I can have this one for 4000(normal price ) with a 1000e payback (which can go for ps neo )
Fantastic TV overall. It has some issues with vignetting and near black gradation, the edges are a bit darker than the center of the display and the input lag at 53ms isn't low, but it barely goes up outside gaming mode (as long as you keep trumotion off) so you can still use it to play HDR games if you're not particularly sensitive to this issue. If that's a problem for you, look into the Samsung KS8000 or the Panasonic DX902. If not, overall image quality on this TV is still better than any LED on the market.
About HDR content, i found this on rtings:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ef9500
Seems relevant considering you specifically asked for HDR 4K.
f@luS
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Well the ks8000 isn't 3D isn't it ?
I have 700 bluray including 100 3D movie and as I trashed my dvd collection years back I won't do for my bluray as its still amazing looking. So I want 3D playback. I guess this lg is the best for my price ?
I always spend around 3-4K for tv every 3 years. My last and current is a plasma Panasonic 65vt50 which is very good but has made his time
I want ps neo, bluray and UHD. ( btw I saw on Xbox one S Threads about the 4K test does this Lg clear them all ?)
Two things:
1) The LG E6 is currently the best 3D TV on the planet.
2) The 65" costs $5000, so if you wait long enough (Black Friday?) you could buy one with your $4000.
Don't buy a 2015 model. Don't do it.
If you're in the US you can buy the C6 for 4000$ on amazon.com, which is better than the EF9500 in every way and the curved screen is better for 3D content (that+OLED means experiencing the best 3D ever). Not sure about input lag outside gaming mode for hdr games, but if it's like the E6 it should be around 50ms (which is likely considering that input lag in gaming mode is ~34ms for both).
Stormhammer
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the vizio p series keeps calling my name. i want to hold out but it seems like such a good bang for the buck. i would like to hold out for an oled later down the line, but the display lag has me in the p-series corner. does it compare anywhere close to the oled tvs in black levels or is it like night and day?
f@luS
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I'm in France and the 65e6 is at 6500 here ...a tad too much for me
So you're telling not to buy last year model ? ;(
Edit : don't want curved
Price in France :
65c6v : 5500
65e6v : 6500
65g6v : : 7500+
65ef950v : 4000 (promotion)
Panasonic 65dx900 : 5000
Samsung 65ks8000 : 3300
I need :
-3D
-flat
-HDR 4K
I don't want to regret my purchase. I though the 65ef950 would be the best choice
DJ Lushious
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The P-Series is great. Check out this thread for owners' thoughts. OLEDs are true black, as in the pixel emits zero light, but it's worth mentioning that the P-Series has outstanding blacks. Coming from a 9G Pioneer Kuro Elite, I didn't downgrade in that department (and the HDTV would've went back, if it were the case).
HDTVTest reviewed the G6 looks like the G6's offer better light output (732 cd/m2) vs 625 cd/m2 of the E6.
Looks like LG bins the panels.
Other differences.
E6 review: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled65e6v-201608104333.htm
G6 review: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled65g6v-201608304343.htm
Honestly I won't be shocked if next years models come even closer to reaching 1000 nits.
From the rumors I've heard mentioned on forums is that LG is def going to be tackling the problem of motion res in next years model big time. Can't wait for CES.
No LCD's come close to matching the black level performance of the OLED's. Not to mention the issue of blooming in LCD's that utilize FALD & viewing angles.
Looks like LG bins the panels.
Other differences.
E6 review: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled65e6v-201608104333.htm
G6 review: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled65g6v-201608304343.htm
Honestly I won't be shocked if next years models come even closer to reaching 1000 nits.
From the rumors I've heard mentioned on forums is that LG is def going to be tackling the problem of motion res in next years model big time. Can't wait for CES.
No LCD's come close to matching the black level performance of the OLED's. Not to mention the issue of blooming in LCD's that utilize FALD & viewing angles.
Art Vandilay
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Should I/we be concerned about dynamic HDR? Or is this something that can be patched in down the road?
Looks like it'll need HDMI 2.1, so hardware will need to be updated lol.
I wish the industry would just pick Dolby Vision
Def SHOULD be worried never ever assume they will patch it in. Everything points to it requiring HDMI 2.1.
Edit:
For people wanting to view IFA live streams
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1472561724
Caayn
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732 cd/m2 on an OLED? That's insane when combined with the perfect blacks.
The curse of early adoptersLooks like it'll need HDMI 2.1, so hardware will need to be updated lol.
I wish the industry would just pick Dolby Vision
I wish that more manufacturers used an input box similar to Samsung so that you could just upgrade that part and keep the panel. Saves on the cost.
CNET posted their review of the LG B6, saying it's the best picture quality they've ever tested.
http://www.cnet.com/products/lg-oledb6p-series/
Can you imagine next year's model? If they fix those small niggles like HDR performance, motion resolution and input lag, it would be fucking perfection!
http://www.cnet.com/products/lg-oledb6p-series/
Can you imagine next year's model? If they fix those small niggles like HDR performance, motion resolution and input lag, it would be fucking perfection!
So much for the 1000 micro dimming zones on the Z9D: according to a german website the correct number on the 65" is 600, just like the Samsung KS9800.
If with next year's models LG adopts something like the pixel shifting tech seen in that new Dell OLED monitor to mitigate the image retention issue to the point that it's basically nonexistent, they can probably get rid of ABL and IR will be a non issue like on LED TVs. At that point they shouldn't have any problem to achieve 1000 nits and utterly destroy LEDs even with HDR content.
EDIT:
Holy shit. My next TV.
Jesus Christ, that value is insane for OLED.
If with next year's models LG adopts something like the pixel shifting tech seen in that new Dell OLED monitor to mitigate the image retention issue to the point that it's basically nonexistent, they can probably get rid of ABL and IR will be a non issue like on LED TVs. At that point they shouldn't have any problem to achieve 1000 nits and utterly destroy LEDs even with HDR content.
EDIT:
Just watched the Panasonic IFA conference they talked about their next OLED TV (using LG panel no doubt) which they said will tackle the issue of near black performance with OLED thanks to their new 3D LUT designed to tackle this demanding issue. A prototype will be on the show floor! Can't wait to see what Panasonic has come up with. //Drool
Holy shit. My next TV.
My E6 is perfection. I don't need anything else.
Just watched the Panasonic IFA conference they talked about their next OLED TV (using LG panel no doubt) which they said will tackle the issue of near black performance with OLED thanks to their new 3D LUT designed to tackle this demanding issue. A prototype will be on the show floor! Can't wait to see what Panasonic has come up with. //Drool
f@luS
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If anyone would be kind enough to help my final choice I need to buy it Friday it's the special sell day
I'm really really really tempted. My ceiling waaaaas $3k. How long until it hits that!? Any guesses?
Gaaaah.
