PS4 Pro specs revealed - 4.2TF, 8GB GDDR5, up to 310W power consumption
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I have to disagree with some of this. If Sony was not competing with the Scorpio than why the rush to release the Pro this holiday season when they are already launching a Slim console AND a new VR add on. They could have focused more on pushing VR strong this holiday season instead if they were not concerned about MS.
The fact is Sony is already dominating the XB1 in all regions. They could have simply released the Slim to compete with the S while pushing the VR and rode out the next year completely fine. It isn't like developers were complaining about the Ps4 being maxed out already in terms of what they are able to do.
Sony had all the momentum, to me it would have made more sense to release a beefed up PS4 NEO to directly compete with the XB1 Scorpio and finished off MS for sure. I agree with Microsoft releasing the Scorpio to get back into the game, but a beefed up NEO releasing at the same time would have been the death blow to their efforts.
People were hoping Sony would react to Scorpio and get into a pissing match with MS by upping the specs.
Basically, fanboy insecurities.
The Neo was in the works for a holiday release long before Scorpio was known about.
That's why the leaks happened way back in March.
The specs have been out their for so long now.
Considering how the there are no high end graphics cards for gaming that is over 8 gbs of vram, no not really it wouldn't.
The real bottle neck will be the CPU since its only an upclocked version of the jaguar cpus rather than something actually decent. I'm more worried it will be like the equivalent of playing on a gtx 980 with a core i3 skylake :/
I'm not disappointed. Its literally $50 more than a ps4 now in canada, with double the storage, and all the neo upgrades. Since my ps4 shit the bed, I see literally zero reason not go just get this. I'm happy tbh :3
TLZ
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I hope they test the wattage as well.
.Manmademan
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you have it backwards. The pro was already well into the design and manufacturing stages while the Scorpio was just a twinkle in microsoft's eye.
you don't see ANY connection between launching a more powerful playstation alongside of the new VR helmet? none whatsoever?
They don't need to "compete with the S". they've already won that fight and it's over. The slim is coming because the system is due for the inevitable cost reductions that consoles always have.
Insane Metal
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DangerMouse
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Yes and no. No, because the starting res on taxing games will be considerably higher than 1080p, but yes because on taxing games it obviously won't be native 4K on a 4.2TF GPU.
The same for Scorpio though even if it manages 6TF. They'll also be dealing with "upscaling" tech. PC's are only just now reaching a comfort zone with taxing games at 4K on expensive GPUs.
DISSESHOWEDO
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Thank you, was just about to reply! Can not believe some of the comments in this thread!
Also people forget that the ps4 being even a pro is a gaming console first, where does the demand for ultra blu ray drive comes?!?
recklesscognition
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLyU_SqD_MQ
I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but they did this back in July and the specs seem the same and the guy knew about the techniques they were going to use for the most part.
Well I will admit I don't take the "leaks" as being true until it comes from Sony themselves. Tons of stuff could have changed in the meantime so I never take them as a foregone conclusion.
As far as the VR stuff, Sony has made no indication that the OG Ps4 would be a detriment and be holding back the type of content available with the helmet.
I can definitely see the benefit or having a more powerful PS4 for VR use. But as far as what I have seen and read in regards to the Pro, they seem to be pushing it as a slight upgrade to the original PS4 rather than pushing it with the new VR helmet.
In general, Sony did not hammer down the message hard enough with the press conference.
So many people (gaffers in this case, who should be slightly more tech savvy than most) did not watch or not understand what was said/shown.
The general public is going to be totally misinformed.
So many people (gaffers in this case, who should be slightly more tech savvy than most) did not watch or not understand what was said/shown.
The general public is going to be totally misinformed.
Whatever technique they are using, they arent referring to it as upscaling so no.
DangerMouse
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Trine can probably do it too. I remember the Trine guys back at launch also said their game could have been in 4K even on the OG PS4 if Sony had enabled it. Not entirely surprising since they built their game for true 3D.
You mean they HAVE all the momentum. THat hasn't changed. Sony do not care about competing with Scorpio. They wanted to release this year from the beginning, before they or we ever heard about an MS unit, because it would be 3 years since PS4 launched, and a good mid point to say its a mid gen refresh, before another 3 years go by and PS5 comes out.
If they were competing with Scorpio as a power concept, they absolutely would have done what you said, but this iterative concept, you can tell has much lower investment at Sony than a typical new gen launch, because it isn't supposed to be one.
nothing surprising now that all is said and done. i only care about what the devs have to say about this, and really want to know how they plan to utilize the features beyond what we've seen from this show.
i'll make my purchase sometime next holiday season once there's been enough time to demonstrate just how valuable this system is to a 1080p tv owner, and honestly a slim isn't off the table for me yet, since at this point (without having a 4k tv) i could go either way.
i'll make my purchase sometime next holiday season once there's been enough time to demonstrate just how valuable this system is to a 1080p tv owner, and honestly a slim isn't off the table for me yet, since at this point (without having a 4k tv) i could go either way.
finalflame
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Did you watch the presentation? They literally listed VR as one of the areas of improvement for the PS4P.
VR is resource intensive and the OG PS4 WILL be limited in the types of experiences it can provide with decent visual fidelity. You're not gonna get good looking AAA games on PSVR with the OG PS4. No matter what rendering tricks Sony uses ("reprojection").
While VR is not the ONLY reason for the PS4P, it's going to be a major benefit of owning one. 2.5X the processing power is a relative fuckton, and it will come through in VR.
No. 60fps has always been a developer decision and will continue to be one. The power of the unit won't change that paradigm
Sony has described it in leaked docs as checkerboard rendering.
Cerny has called it "streamlined rendering techniques that take advantage of custom hardware". Essentially, its both upscaled and a higher render, but not a native render.
Last I remember, Sony was asking for 1800p rendered
ArkhamFantasy
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I agree, it would be very easy to walk away from that conference thinking that you need a 4k TV to see the benefits of the Pro.
They shouldnt even talk about 4k again, they need to hammer home that this will increase the graphics quality of your PS4 games regardless of what kind of TV you have until everyone understands.
Xenoflare
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I feel like those leaked PPT are doing a better conference than today's press release. It was... so much more straightforward.
I don't have time to go back to the stream, but did Sony ever mention about the "all games after october will have a Neo mode"? The phrasing made it sound like it was pretty much mandatory.
AnimaOnline
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They'd have been crucified had the announced PSVR exclusive to PS4 Pro so I don't think the possibility of OG PS4 holding back the Pro is really an issue.
And yeah, I noticed they were a bit hush about Pro's benefits to PSVR..I imagine at this point they want to focus on people buying PSVR before they worry about them upgrading the Pro. Probably not a good idea convincing them they need Pro for proper VR otherwise suddenly that VR price tag doubles.
MissCauthon
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Has anyone that has seen the console hear how loud the thing is? This is my biggest concern, the ps4 i used to have made so much friggin noise, it was like a hairdryer on high
BabyFaceKillah
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asked in the other thread but nobody answered but is it really worth the upgrade?
debating whether i should sell my OG ps4 or trade it in
debating whether i should sell my OG ps4 or trade it in
finalflame
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You're not getting IQ any worse than an OG PS4, obviously. In most cases, you'll get better IQ, higher framerates, better antialiasing, etc, if the developer has accounted for it.
Did people watch the presentation? They explicitly showed this a number of times with different games, the most impressive of which was Paragon.
Seriously, next gen better have real CPUs to compliment the "real" GPUs. Just something respectable
Xenoflare
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Well, at 399 USD, I'd say if the PS4 is your main gaming platform you might as well, you could probably sell your OG at around $200 or something making it affordable.
If you have a PC that is doing the heavy lifting or the PS4 is simply not your focus, I'd say wait.
CyberPunked
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It's not strange at all when you had people taking osirisblack's info as gospel
family_guy
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No. You get the increased graphical effects and more stable framerate benefits, just without the extra resolution.
AnimaOnline
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It's worth popping open for a clean after a few years. Quiets it down a good deal. The original PS4 wasn't so bad at launch but after a few years of dust that soon changes.
Pretty much.
recklesscognition
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Have you seen general threads on Reddit? It is a complete mess. People are so confused.
RedRooster
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Ya, that Paragon comparison was pretty damn impressive, as short as it was. The lighting in the background looked quite dramatic.
CyberPunked
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1080@60 is doable now, it just depends on how much you want to sacrifice the visuals.
Anyone got any info on PS4 Pro Paragon 1080p benefits?
It's for my thread. It's a thread to help clarify the confusion on 1080p pro benefits.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1275367
It's for my thread. It's a thread to help clarify the confusion on 1080p pro benefits.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1275367
Not having Zen in PS5 would only be because AMD went out of business before then, IMO.
RedRooster
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The lighting was really obvious, but he also mentioned procedural ground cover and more dense cover among other things.
I REALLY wish they would've just done a whole bunch of "this is what your game looks like on PS4, this is what it looks like on PS4Pro" comparisons. It would've been way easier to differentiate than saying "ok, watch when we activate HDR...now".
finalflame
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At 2.5x the computing power, 1080p60 should be doable with equal/slightly superior visuals on titles that previously had to be locked at 30fps (think Uncharted 4). Up to the developer, though.
Some games will be upscaled from 1800P but that's not the case for every game & checkerboad rendering is not upscaling