I think it's a safe assumption that it will be mediocre at best. To be even decent in an open world game is pretty monumental.
New Horizon: Zero Dawn Gameplay from the TGS 2016 Media Session
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I think it's a safe assumption that it will be mediocre at best. To be even decent in an open world game is pretty monumental.
StrongBlackVine
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Yes. I think he is the lead writer.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Eh, now that's just silly. I don't know what gameplay you've been watching, but they've already showed part of the map. I'm not sure what about this doesn't look open world, but that's certainly an opinion I haven't seen before.
Saint of Killers
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Again, open world isn't the be all, end all for me (density of things to do >>> openness) but this seems plenty open to me: E3 '16 map animation
As much as I am looking forward to H:ZD, there's no doubting I also feel sense of open world fatigue. Like when people go on about how good the GTA worlds are and all I can think of is Yeah, but I wanted to explore and do about a tenth of what was available to me. And me saying 'a tenth' is being massively generous. Technical marvels don't mean much of anything if what fills them fails to engage, and all I do is go from A to B (mission to mission) in the fastest time possible. And so my one wish for Horizon is that the world is filled with interesting, dare I say "new" things to do. Of course, it can still end up being a good game if that isn't the case (see MGS V and its sparse open world), but it'll be a better game if it is.
As much as I am looking forward to H:ZD, there's no doubting I also feel sense of open world fatigue. Like when people go on about how good the GTA worlds are and all I can think of is Yeah, but I wanted to explore and do about a tenth of what was available to me. And me saying 'a tenth' is being massively generous. Technical marvels don't mean much of anything if what fills them fails to engage, and all I do is go from A to B (mission to mission) in the fastest time possible. And so my one wish for Horizon is that the world is filled with interesting, dare I say "new" things to do. Of course, it can still end up being a good game if that isn't the case (see MGS V and its sparse open world), but it'll be a better game if it is.
Nah, the gameplay is too good for it to be an RPG, and the platforming is too smooth for it to be open world.
I think Guerrilla should take that as a compliment? They confirmed that the game is a seamless open world action RPG, not a sectioned off open world, and not "kinda RPG".
CDProject/BioWare/Bethesda have really screwed up people's perception on RPGs and/or open world games.
Just noticed during the Watcher takedown sequence in that, some of the scenery looks like rusting tanks & APCs - definitely a couple of what might be railgun barrels there.
I'm surprised there hasn't been a discussion on what makes a 'real' open world game
A true action RPG must have Witcher combat, with Mass Effect animations and Fallout character models.
If it doesn't meet the above, then it's most likely fake open world. /s
Kenzodielocke
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There is a story in this game, believe it or not. What a silly complaint.
Hydrargyrus
Member
Please, be good.
The game looks amazing, I hope it delivers
The game looks amazing, I hope it delivers
lol I don't play games for their stories.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
You can find gear, upgrades, materials anf you gain xp which you use to customize your character.
Btw. what do you consider a good game when it comes to open world rpgs?
There is a whole plot point that , machines are getting corrupted and you are lloking into the source of it, why the machines are getting haywired. And also you are looking into the origins of your past, and why are you outcasted from the tribe. I hope these are your reasons for explore the world.
I didn't get one thing though , when you are not play games for stories and plots, than why are you asking for reasons to explore the World?
Triggerhappytel
Member
This continues to look incredible. I really should go on media blackout but I love the footage and I just want to see more and more.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
So out of interest, what do you look for in an open world RPG? This game has a story, quests, vast expanses to explore, a variety of (mechanical) creatures to discover and fight...like most open world RPG's. What is it missing for you? It sounds like you've never played/been interested in any open world rpg's judging by your complaints.
You're basically saying "The game is giving me no reason except gameplay mechanics to play it". Does Mario give you a reason to for going from jumping from A to B? Does Street Fighter give you a reason for fighting your opponent until their health reaches zero? "The game is giving me no reason to explore and fight" is such a weird thing to say.
Seriously, and I say this as someone that loves The Witcher series. But even then, has it reached a point where any game claiming to be an open world RPG, that actually dares to not have janky combat or character movement can't possible be an open world RPG? "It has Uncharted climbing, it can't be open world". lol wut.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that GG would be so bold as to go against such clearly established standards.
Pre-order cancelled, Pro will be binned the day I buy it, and I'm done with Sony for good. Dammit I want my jank!
LifeBrandRobot
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This reminded me why I stopped listening to the Match 3 podcast. When HZD was first shown off they were ranting about how a caveman game could only have white people in it, completely ignoring the montage of different tribes.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
false thread.
I explore the world mainly to find new gameplay scenarios and settings. Like the missions in GTA (Even if a lot of them ends up quite similar). Collectibles are more often than not just useless padding. GTA also has lots of different activities that play differently.
I'm not saying H:ZD won't have those but I hope for variety.
John Gonzalez should get as much freedom as possible. I want the writing to be as good as in New Vegas.
The game looks absolutely incredible. One thing I dislike though, is that the UI is too crowded especially with all the markers and icons everywhere. It looks almost like the Bloodborne parody picture at times.
The game looks absolutely incredible. One thing I dislike though, is that the UI is too crowded especially with all the markers and icons everywhere. It looks almost like the Bloodborne parody picture at times.
I kinda get what you mean. I'm not grabbed by the story or dialogue or the characters either yet. I'm definitely in there for the gorgeous world and all that though, but I get it. For example, all it took to get me really into Far Cry 3 was just that first "definition of insanity" cutscene with Vaas. I got really intrigued by the character and the story with just that (even if it didn't end up delivering on that "promise"). Haven't seen a single interesting character in this game yet. Not saying I've seen bad characters either but just haven't seen one that would make me want to play the game just to know that character better.
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I'm really glad I opted to get a PS4 as my exclusive box, this looks like the type of game I can get totally lost in. I'm just praying it runs properly on PS4 as I can't enjoy games with performance issues. Uncharted 4 and Order 1886 are really the only 30fps games that didn't feel weird to me, whatever they did made 30fps feel less choppy than usual.
tiebreaker
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Hope they go crazy with the towns designs.
Callibretto
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You know, I think I get what you mean. What Horizon need is some side mini games. Like fishing, or maybe hunting real animal for food too, I saw rabbits and boars in gameplay video, I hope I can hunt those for food or material too.
Damn do you want to see the entire game before buying it? They just showed us uncut raw gameplay from the town to taking out the corrupter. No breaks, tons of footage of the different elements like crafting, quests, dialogue, stores, upgrades, etc. I mean come on now. That's basically straight gameplay of so many different aspects.
Domcorleone
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I'm pretty sure there will be mini games, thats almost a prerequisite for RPGs
Da-Kid
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They've showed us scripted scenarios at best, I don't want to see the whole game, I just want to see woke natural free roam gameplay of climbing and traversal. But it's like they're so hesitant to show that.
That was as scripted as any mission in the Witcher 3 so I'm not sure what you are getting at.
Nightengale
Member
Search for it on YT. Plenty of off-screen free roam gameplay via regular event gameplay.
In a demo, you want to show the best-play you can in the short time you have, so obviously things feel scripted.
The combat looks so fucking good in this game. Great to see some npc community gameplay as well.
It will be interesting to see how much we will be able to tailor Aloy's progression to our own playstyles. I am guessing not overly-much, but enough to make certain approaches to encounters a bit more viable than others while not heavily weighing the experience one way or the other.
It will be interesting to see how much we will be able to tailor Aloy's progression to our own playstyles. I am guessing not overly-much, but enough to make certain approaches to encounters a bit more viable than others while not heavily weighing the experience one way or the other.
It's definitely fair to wonder about how "open world" it really is. A lot of the stuff we've seen seems to have mountains surround you on your left and right, with a wide space in between.
If my assumptions are correct here about places you CAN'T traverse (and I could well be wrong), this particular area at least does seem to be a more Destiny like thing, with an open area and paths to go elsewhere to other areas. I HOPE that's not the case. We'll see.
If my assumptions are correct here about places you CAN'T traverse (and I could well be wrong), this particular area at least does seem to be a more Destiny like thing, with an open area and paths to go elsewhere to other areas. I HOPE that's not the case. We'll see.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Yeah most Nintendo games don't really have stories so i get what you mean
vpance
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It's definitely fair to wonder about how "open world" it really is. A lot of the stuff we've seen seems to have mountains surround you on your left and right, with a wide space in between.
If my assumptions are correct here about places you CAN'T traverse (and I could well be wrong), this particular area at least does seem to be a more Destiny like thing, with an open area and paths to go elsewhere to other areas. I HOPE that's not the case. We'll see.
Wide connected hub game?
wild wild rice
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The only thing that looks really compelling to me so far is the robo dino combat scenarios. I'm worried I'll find all the open world stuff tedious and dull. This sort of makes me wish it were more of an open linear action type game.
PatientGamer
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I get the feeling this is the game Heavenly Sword should've been.
Feels like a spiritual successor in a very good way.
Feels like a spiritual successor in a very good way.
SprachBrooks
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Is this PS4 Pro footage, guys?
eXistor
Member
Nope, still not convinced. It all looks like something I've seen once or twice too many times. Honestly I'm as hyped for this as any random Ubisoft open-word game, that is to say not at all. The footage just isn't compelling in any way, I look at it and have the feeling I don't have to play it anymore.
I am pretty sure whey will tell you if its PS4 pro.
SprachBrooks
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The problem I have with Open worlds, is that at first they seem completely overwhelming to me. If at any point the gameplay loop becomes tedious or boring, and the hook isn't quite strong enough, which ends in me feeling like I'm facing a hundred-ish hours of play with little to no reward in sight, they lost me.
And there is a very hard balance to strike in the game's design for the first 10 or so hours (maybe less), between allowing the player to feel the promised freedom, and a tight narrative that keeps you coming for more.
Games like Witcher3 successfully walked that tight rope (even if imo the main quest line was super weak, the quality of side quests helped a lot), while Fallout 4 mostly failed the tight narrative test (but was partially redeemed for many by ancilliary mechanics such as the shooting or base building).
Horizon visibly nails the mechanics involved (at least so far), but I understand the fears expressed. Not (like some like to say) because "it's Guerilla" (they know what their weaknesses were and hired strong talent to compensate), but because achieving that balance is so very hard to start with and even accomplished dev studios can really fail at it.
All this being said, with all we've seen and what we know of the people involved, I am cautiously optimistic that we might be looking at one of the contenders for Goty 2017.
And I can't wait to immerse myself in Alloy's world.
And there is a very hard balance to strike in the game's design for the first 10 or so hours (maybe less), between allowing the player to feel the promised freedom, and a tight narrative that keeps you coming for more.
Games like Witcher3 successfully walked that tight rope (even if imo the main quest line was super weak, the quality of side quests helped a lot), while Fallout 4 mostly failed the tight narrative test (but was partially redeemed for many by ancilliary mechanics such as the shooting or base building).
Horizon visibly nails the mechanics involved (at least so far), but I understand the fears expressed. Not (like some like to say) because "it's Guerilla" (they know what their weaknesses were and hired strong talent to compensate), but because achieving that balance is so very hard to start with and even accomplished dev studios can really fail at it.
All this being said, with all we've seen and what we know of the people involved, I am cautiously optimistic that we might be looking at one of the contenders for Goty 2017.
And I can't wait to immerse myself in Alloy's world.