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[lowhighkang_LHK]

people that hook up their PC to this tv, especially with a nvidai gpu, what is the native resolution of the tv listed in the nvidia control panel?

btw, HDMI input need to be set to enhanced to so the Xbone S to check off all the 4K features. At least that was the case for x850D

Bolded for importance.

For those hooking up their PC's to this TV, know that unlike PC monitors, TV's tend to be RGB limited. Your graphics card is likely putting out RGB full. Make the necessary adjustments either way. And if you hook up a console to it as well, also make the necessary adjustments with that.

RGB settings are going to be even more crucial now that HDR is going to come into play. Before, people with mismatched RGB settings got by with either a washed out image, or a crushed black image - but doing that with HDR activated is going to create some shit looking colors. Be aware.

 

[MazeHaze]

Bolded for importance.

For those hooking up their PC's to this TV, know that unlike PC monitors, TV's tend to be RGB limited. Your graphics card is likely putting out RGB full. Make the necessary adjustments either way. And if you hook up a console to it as well, also make the necessary adjustments with that.

RGB settings are going to be even more crucial now that HDR is going to come into play. Before, people with mismatched RGB settings got by with either a washed out image, or a crushed black image - but doing that with HDR activated is going to create some shit looking colors. Be aware.

If you're hooking up pc to a 4k hdr tv, you're going to be using 444, not RGB.

 

[Gitaroo]

in case of RGB, for PC through HDMi connection should be set to ybr 4:4:4 or some resolution will be missing. Like 2560X1440, that can be quite important for some if you can;t run games at native 4k you can settle for the second best 1440p. As for RGB, always set TV, and PS4 to automatica, the 850D picks up the rgb setting right away and adjust everything accordingly. It even detect the wii u that is always default to limited and adjust itself to match so everything is much more colorful.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

in case of RGB, for PC through HDMi connection should be set to ybr 4:4:4 or some resolution will be missing. Like 2560X1440, that can be quite important for some if you can;t run games at native 4k you can settle for the second best 1440p. As for RGB, always set TV, and PS4 to automatic, the 850D picks up the rgb setting right away and adjust everything accordingly. It even detect the wii u that is always default to limited and adjust itself to match so everything is much more colorful.

Can you verify this?

Because on my Samsung monitor. I have RGB set to Full. And when I put my PS4 to automatic, the PS4 assumes limited. I have to specifically set my PS4 to full.

http://referencehometheater.com/2014/commentary/rgb-full-vs-limited/

Q: Should I set my video game system to Auto instead of choosing Limited or Full?

A: No. If you can choose Limited or Full, you are best to do this. The system will choose based on the EDID of your display, or your receiver, whatever it connects directly to. Usually this is fine but some devices report incorrectly, or the system interprets it incorrectly. A good example is the Roku 3, which doesn’t let you change this setting. A receiver I was testing reported an incorrect EDID to my Roku, forcing it into Full RGB which crushed all the shadows and made the image look bad. Had the Roku let me change this, I could have avoided the issue. Since you know which you should pick, you should always do it because you can avoid complications.

Don't trust the automatic setting. But, I'd imagine a Sony TV would properly send it's EDID appropriately to a Sony gaming device. So in this case, auto to auto should be fine.

 

[KGoogle]

In the uk is this the kd43xd8077su or kd43xd8088bu ??

 

[Goodacre0081]

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d

Input Lag Show Help
1080p @ 60Hz Show Help : 34.6 ms
1080p With Interpolation Show Help : 67.5 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode Show Help : 71.2 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : 34.6 ms
4k @ 60Hz Show Help : 57.9 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : 57.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR Show Help : 93.6 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR Show Help : 93.0 ms
Lowest 1080p input lag is achieved under 'Game' picture mode. The 'Clearness' setting under 'Motionflow' can be used to clarify action some more and won't increase the input lag (although it does darken the screen). 1080p input lag also stays low enough for some slower games when image interpolation is turned on, which is something that can't be said for most TVs.

Update 09/14/2016: 4k input lag is higher than what we tested with a 1080p, which is a bit strange when compare to other TVs. This is a similar result that we had on the Sony X930D. It is even higher with an HDR signal, since when an HDR signal is detected, the TV switches to a special HDR picture mode that can't be change.

This could maybe be fix with a firmware update, since other newer Sony TV like the X800D can display an HDR signal without having to switch to a special HDR picture mode, meaning that even in game mode, you can still display an HDR signal with a low input lag.

so we're looking at 90ms+ on a 2016 TV made by Sony who are making a full push for 4K/HDR gaming?

 

[Chamber]

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag


Yea, I just saw they put up 4k native results for lag!! The sony x800d is running 4:4:4 at 4k at 35ms, not bad at all as long as I turn vsync off.

The interesting thing with these new 4k results is running any samsung at 4k with 4:4:4 shows higher lag then the sony, about 38ms is what they are showing for the samsung and the samsungs have pwm too which I hate.

Also the pixel response is twice as fast on the sony versus any of the 2016 samsungs which is good for gaming.

Rtings is killing it with all this great info, easily the best site for in-depth tv reviews, by far!!

Looks like the 43x800d is going to be my 4k pc monitor ....

Got my 43" model today and took it for a quick test drive. Some impressions:
- Assembling was super easy and could be done alone without hassle. Just use a level to make sure the TV is 100% even on the stand.
- Setup is like any other Android TV, quick and straightforward.
- The TVs ATV OS feels slightly more sluggish than my Shield TVs ATV OS.
- 4K looks crazy good, watched some demo footage I downloaded yesterday via my Shield TV & Plex. It's kinda incredible how much depth it adds to the picture. Didn't find any demo footage on the TV itself though but I didn't look too hard.
- Bit finicky to use in my current PC setup (1x 1440p as main, 1x 1080p portrait) as Windows doesn't scale back the taskbar when switching back from the 4K as primary to the 1440p as primary. Also: desktop icons are all over the place. I'm sure there is a tool to save the positions and reload them by a simple batch. Will figure it out.
- Also make sure to use HDMI 2 or 3 if you want 4k60 4:4:4 and enable Enhanced HDMI in the TV settings as the rtings review tells you. Otherwise you are stuck with 4:2:0.
- Played some Rocket League and God Eater at 4k60. I didn't really notice the input lag.
- Screensize is might fine for my use case. I have the TV set up at the end of my bed, so I'm like 2m away from the screen.
- I took the Nvidia HDR demo for a quick spin too but given that it was afternoon and these are only like 4 screenshots, I am not necessarily blown away yet. The highlights in the picture (lights, sky, fire) definitely stood out however. Will watch some Netflix HDR tonight in the dark and will report back.

- One super sweet thing for my specific setup is that each remote can control both, the TV and Shield! Even power off both. My mind was literally blown because I feared I had to use two remotes like back in the day when I still used to watch sat TV as a kid haha. Comfy af
- Sound is rather flat and pretty silent @40% if you have a lot of ambient noise going on but I will use headphones most of the time anyway so I don't mind too much. I am no audiophile in any way though so take my sound impressions for what you will.
- Image does lose contrast pretty quickly if you are viewing from a weird angle. It's perfectly fine if you use it in bed alone or with two people but I think after that point the screen is too small anyway.

Thanks for posting guys. I was all set to the grab the Samsung but this sounds like a winner to me. Hell, the 49" Sony and a PS4 Pro is the same price as the 50" KS8000 by itself.

 

[zoukka]

Wayyyyy too small for 4K benefits.

 

[potatohead]

Wayyyyy too small for 4K benefits.

Lol no.

And funny thing same thing was said about 1080p years ago.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

Wayyyyy too small for 4K benefits.

This is not true at all. In fact, I think you're being sarcastic, but I honestly can't tell. 43 inches, and certainly 49 inches is plenty large enough to tell the difference.

 

[zoukka]

This is not true at all. In fact, I think you're being sarcastic, but I honestly can't tell. 43 inches, and certainly 49 inches is plenty large enough to tell the difference.

Not from reasonable viewing distances no. If you used it as a monitor, then yeah the size would be nice.

 

[Caipirinha]

So can you get this thing in Eu/Australia or not?

 

[Vuze]

So can you get this thing in Eu/Australia or not?

You can (in EU at least). Slightly different model number, check last page.

 

[ViciousDS]

Not from reasonable viewing distances no. If you used it as a monitor, then yeah the size would be nice.

You don't need to use it as a monitor. Some of us do set the TV up in offices and just pull a chair up to a TV. I do for that lounge gaming goodness. A lot of folks use these TVs in their bedrooms as well. It's really not hard to find a spot to take advantage of 4K viewing distances. I mean shit. I have a 27inch monitor and even I can see problems with some games a couple feet away. Can't wait for an even more clear picture, with more vibrant colors.

 

[zoukka]

You don't need to use it as a monitor. Some of us do set the TV up in offices and just pull a chair up to a TV. I do for that lounge gaming goodness. A lot of folks use these TVs in their bedrooms as well. It's really not hard to find a spot to take advantage of 4K viewing distances. I mean shit. I have a 27inch monitor and even I can see problems with some games a couple feet away. Can't wait for an even more clear picture, with more vibrant colors.

Believe me I do care bout IQ. I have a 42-inch plasma and if I want to view even a 1080p image fully I need to sit on my floor instead of my couch. Upgrading that size to 4K would give me no benefits (beyond HDR, but cheap models have shit HDR still).

You need 60-inch at least for 4K unless you sit in a chair a couple of feet from the set.

 

[Caipirinha]

Why does this TV cost more in GBP than it does in fucking USD?

$600 and £800, are you kidding me?

 

[Eiji]

In the uk is this the kd43xd8077su or kd43xd8088bu ??

Yep.

http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravi...sign/p2987309?colour=Black#media-overlay_show

 

[Putty]

Yep.

http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravi...sign/p2987309?colour=Black#media-overlay_show

Only 699 now? It's come down 200 quid or so in a matter of weeks...

 

[metareferential]

Lol no.

And funny thing same thing was said about 1080p years ago.

It's still small as fuck, regardless of the content's resolution and the distance you're sitting at.

There are a lot of people using projectors and big screens, 43" is just a monitor. xD

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Wayyyyy too small for 4K benefits.

LOL no? It depends on how close you sit to the set, like any other TV resolution.

If you sit 20 feet away, a 720p TV will look the same as a 4K TV to you. If you sit 20 inches away, then the difference is starkly obvious.

 

[hesido]

Took a few pics but none of them came out very good.




Left is BvS 4k HDR bluray right is the normal bluray. Both running on a Xbox One S.


In person it is easy to tell, HDR is way brighter. In explosions I had to blink it was so bright. Really amazing.

While one can see some difference in your shots, it really doesn't mean much when all we can do is view that non-HDR jpg's on our non-HDR monitors. After all, the difference that *we* see on non-HDR picture formats on our non-HDR monitors can be mitigated in the original non-HDR source to look like the same when shot with a non-HDR camera

 

[Reckoner]

Is the KD-43X8308C the European version HDR updated? Just want to make sure before I pull the trigger.

 

[Jezbollah]

Only 699 now? It's come down 200 quid or so in a matter of weeks...

Yes indeed. John Lewis pricematched on a few other retailers.

ALWAYS buy from them if you can, they price match + give that 5 year guarantee.

 

[platocplx]

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d



so we're looking at 90ms+ on a 2016 TV made by Sony who are making a full push for 4K/HDR gaming?

its because that isnt based on the game mode, vs the HDR mode thats automatic. I bet sony patches the TVs to have an HDR game mode.

 

[Gitaroo]

Is the KD-43X8308C the European version HDR updated? Just want to make sure before I pull the trigger.

other than the X800D, stay far away from any Sony 4k tv for games for now until they put out an update that fix the input lag which could be never.

 

[Reckoner]

other than the X800D, stay far away from any Sony 4k tv for games for now until they put out an update that fix the input lag which could be never.

There is no X800D in Europe. What I am asking if that's the model name here.

 

[neogafdave]

It's the XD80 here

 

[Reckoner]

It's the XD80 here

Not available here. Isn't the 8308 supposed to be an upgraded version?

 

[Raybunny]

Not available here. Isn't the 8308 supposed to be an upgraded version?

In the French site I only found this model that corresponds to the description.
http://www.sony.fr/electronics/televiseurs/xd8305-series

XD8305 series.

 

[Gitaroo]

In the French site I only found this model that corresponds to the description.
http://www.sony.fr/electronics/televiseurs/xd8305-series

XD8305 series.

If that is HDR compatible an only comes in 43" and 49" with android tv. That is probably the one.

 

[FerDS]

Does anybody knows how this TV compares to his sharp one: https://www.sharptvusa.com/tvs/4k/lc-43n6100u

 

[Kibbles]

Damn I'm pissed I bought that 4k "HDR" Hisense already on Amazon Day It's not even HDR, they flat out lied lol. Could've easily saved up and bought this instead. Damnit.

 

[Lister]

It supports HDR10 signal, but what is the panel's capability at reproducing?

Is that sort of stuff being measured?

 

[Marmelade]

In the French site I only found this model that corresponds to the description.
http://www.sony.fr/electronics/televiseurs/xd8305-series

XD8305 series.

It's actually the XD8005 I think

http://www.sony.fr/electronics/televiseurs/xd8005-series#product_details_default

The XD8305 is a step up (Motionflow XR 800Hz (960 for the US) vs 200Hz (240))

 

[ViciousDS]

It supports HDR10 signal, but what is the panel's capability at reproducing?

Is that sort of stuff being measured?

It's peak brightness is nowhere close to HdR10

However it has a higher rec2020 color width and overall actually has better color representation than even the Samsung KS8000.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

Does anybody knows how this TV compares to his sharp one: https://www.sharptvusa.com/tvs/4k/lc-43n6100u

Try to find a professional review of it. Check rtings. But never just purchase a tv from manufacturer specs. Because it can be manipulated to sound better than it really is.

 

[MrMatt555]

At times while viewing i swear it looks like its being displayed at 120hz. But the specs say 60hz. Is my mind playing tricks on me?

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Sorry if it's been covered, but just to be sure, is this the UK SKU for the TV? KD43XD8077

 

[Wallach]

Ordered one of these today, will post some thoughts in this thread this weekend after I've received it, though until the PS4 Pro is released it'll mostly still be doing 1080p work.

I don't fuck with TVs much to be honest, is there any concern over the length of HMDI cable in terms of adding any latency or signal problems? It would be more convenient to not move my PS4 from where it is which would need a 20' foot cable or so.

 

[Karak]

Ordered one of these today, will post some thoughts in this thread this weekend after I've received it, though until the PS4 Pro is released it'll mostly still be doing 1080p work.

I don't fuck with TVs much to be honest, is there any concern over the length of HMDI cable in terms of adding any latency or signal problems? It would be more convenient to not move my PS4 from where it is which would need a 20' foot cable or so.

Suggested spec is a certain amount footage but now you see even amazon posting sales for longer ones. If you have handshake issues just get a slighter better brand. Nothing hugely expensive but HDMI cables are notoriously finicky anyway. I don't see 20 being any issue. I am using redmere at 30 and its fine.

 

[Eiji]

Sorry if it's been covered, but just to be sure, is this the UK SKU for the TV? KD43XD8077

Yep but buy it from John Lewis for a free 5 year warranty:

http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravi...now-silver-slate-design/p2987309?colour=Black

 

[jadedm17]

There are so many caveats when it come to upgrading a HT system, it really sucks. For instance... I want to buy a PS4 Pro but would need to get a 4K TV to get the most out of it. But then, even though my receiver supports 4K pass-through, it uses an older hdcp standard so I'd likely have to upgrade that too.

It's a whole can of worms that I wish I didn't want to reopen every few years.

As someone who considers themselves moderately tech-savvy I have to admit even after many hours of research between Youtube, GAF, Rtings, Amazon reviews, Best Buy reviews and many more.... Buying a TV is fucking confusing.

Admittedly as I get older (I'm 29 now) I'm finding the massive amount of choice for everything from bbq sauce to toilet paper to be more of a headache than it is a freedom.

I can't imagine being an "average joe consumer" who just wants to buy a damn TV.

 

[Karak]

As someone who considers themselves moderately tech-savvy I have to admit even after many hours of research between Youtube, GAF, Rtings, Amazon reviews, Best Buy reviews and many more.... Buying a TV is fucking confusing.

Admittedly as I get older (I'm 29 now) I'm finding the massive amount of choice for everything from bbq sauce to toilet paper to be more of a headache than it is a freedom.

I can't imagine being an "average joe consumer" who just wants to buy a damn TV.

Its why I tried to cover this in my primer videos. Because the number of peeps who think they are plugging this shit in...oh man. The first time Gears has bad response due to a none game HDR mode forums are going to explode lol,

 

[Dr.brain64]

Ordered the x800d !! It was time to replace my fat lcd screen. Now to wait for the ps4 pro.

 

[catpurrcat]

As someone who considers themselves moderately tech-savvy I have to admit even after many hours of research between Youtube, GAF, Rtings, Amazon reviews, Best Buy reviews and many more.... Buying a TV is fucking confusing.

Admittedly as I get older (I'm 29 now) I'm finding the massive amount of choice for everything from bbq sauce to toilet paper to be more of a headache than it is a freedom.

I can't imagine being an "average joe consumer" who just wants to buy a damn TV.

Lol tell me about it. Basically gave up in frustration Love researching tech but this 4k/hdr stuff is crazy.

Hdr v hdr compatible v hdr capable
8 bit v 10 bit panel
Questions over viewing distance
Firmware updates (seriously? For a TV?)
Need new receiver too?
Need new(er) HDMI cable too?
4k but not hdr, or is it?
Hdr10 v dolby hdr
What is sdr? Just saw that on a youtube review
Input lag
Only which hdmi port has hdr?

Argh!

I also dont understand what differentiates one at $1500 v $800.

Feel so sorry for that fellow who posted about having bought a tv on prime day that is apparently not HDR despite the box saying so. That was basically me 6 months ago, and sums up how confusing the messaging is around this tech.

 

[Karak]

Lol tell me about it. Basically gave up in frustration Love researching tech but this 4k/hdr stuff is crazy.

Hdr v hdr compatible v hdr capable
8 bit v 10 bit panel
Questions over viewing distance
Firmware updates (seriously? For a TV?)
Need new receiver too?
Need new(er) HDMI cable too?
4k but not hdr, or is it?
Hdr10 v dolby hdr
What is sdr? Just saw that on a youtube review
Input lag
Only which hdmi port has hdr?

Argh!

I also dont understand what differentiates one at $1500 v $800.

Feel so sorry for that fellow who posted about having bought a tv on prime day that is apparently not HDR despite the box saying so. That was basically me 6 months ago, and sums up how confusing the messaging is around this tech.

Check out some of the videos on youtube. I did ones called HDR primer for ACG, and there are a couple good ones.

 

[ViciousDS]

Its why I tried to cover this in my primer videos. Because the number of peeps who think they are plugging this shit in...oh man. The first time Gears has bad response due to a none game HDR mode forums are going to explode lol,

For story mode and horde though this TV isn't bad at all, it's just meant to be for fun if you want to be competitive you really don't want to buy any 4K HDR anyways

But I know you were just talking for people in general since I'm assuming most of the General UHD public has a Visio 4K TV and they are going to be fucked

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Yep but buy it from John Lewis for a free 5 year warranty:

http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravi...now-silver-slate-design/p2987309?colour=Black

Thanks. Really tempted to get this. Will hold out until Black Friday/Cyber Monday and see if the price drops at all. Would hate to buy this then see it drop in price soon after.

 

[Bruno]

I was under the impression Sony TV's had bad input latency, or am I wrong here?

Definitely wrong, my Sony W900A has 17-19ms.

 

[Vol5]

Amazon UK are doing the 55" for £999 which isn't bad. I've seen this TV in person and it's seriously impressive. Between this and the latest LG (non-OLED) I'd easily choose the Sony.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01IF52BE4/