The NX Prediction / BSpeculation / Fanxiety Thread

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Skittzo0413 said:
I never said or meant to imply that...

The LPVG article suggested that the two detachable controllers will have motion capabilities, so I'm theorizing that, when the controllers are detached to allow the screen portion to dock, each controller will become essentially a Wii motion + controller, but each will likely also have an analog stick/circle pad. You'd hold them in your hands separately, not combine them into one controller.
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This is possible, but it would be no small task to make the two controller pieces ergonomic both as individual handheld devices and as a combined controller piece.

I mean, try picking up a pro controller with one hand and only fiddling with one side of it. The lack of stability provided by a two-handed grip means that quick button presses and confident use of the stick and triggers become very difficult, turning the whole thing into an awkward affair. Just chopping the controller in half doesn't change the fact that the ergonomics are now all wrong and the button placement is less ideal for a one-handed grip.

So yeah, it's not IMPOSSIBLE, but it's going to take some really smart design work to come up with a pair of motion controllers whose design and inputs do not compromise the comfort of the handheld format, and vice-versa.

EDIT: This only becomes more complex if you take into account that there may be basically three different uses for the controllers... attached to the handheld, held detached like you mention, and held sideways by different people as separate controllers. The actual design and execution of the detachable controllers concept is the biggest mystery that needs answering, if you ask me, far more than any questions about power or screen size.

John Harker said:
after reading the title of that video, I'm not even going to bother watching the video
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If you feel like laughing, check out his whole channel. He's one of the main proponents that the NX is secretly a beefed-up AMD-powered PS4-alike.
 
DerekOfTheDykes said:
This is possible, but it would be no small task to make the two controller pieces ergonomic both as individual handheld devices and as a combined controller piece.

I mean, try picking up a pro controller with one hand and only fiddling with one side of it. The lack of stability provided by a two-handed grip means that quick button presses and confident use of the stick and triggers become very difficult, turning the whole thing into an awkward affair. Just chopping the controller in half doesn't change the fact that the ergonomics are now all wrong and the button placement is less ideal for a one-handed grip.

So yeah, it's not IMPOSSIBLE, but it's going to take some really smart design work to come up with a pair of motion controllers whose design and inputs do not compromise the comfort of the handheld format, and vice-versa.

EDIT: This only becomes more complex if you take into account that there may be basically three different uses for the controllers... attached to the handheld, held detached like you mention, and held sideways by different people as separate controllers. The actual design and execution of the detachable controllers concept is the biggest mystery that needs answering, if you ask me, far more than any questions about power or screen size.
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Agree completely with your last statement especially.

I agree that it will be difficult to pull off, but I think it's the avenue Nintendo is attempting to explore. I think a good base would be the shape of the nunchuk, but with an added flange for holding the d-pad/abxy face buttons. I have no idea how well that would work in practice, but it truly sounds like it could be the best control scheme ever invented if they nail the ergonomics. Think about it- you get the split controls, the full face/shoulder/trigger functionality and on top of that you have Wii motion+ controls when detached, touch screen controls when attached.

I also agree that it would be nearly impossible to pull that off if you want to use the detachable controllers "NES-style" but I think that's an acceptable sacrifice. For multiplayer, each user can still use either of the detachable controllers for simple games at the very least. Think about Wii Bowling or Wii Tennis.

Again, this is all my guesswork based on the rumors, and it's almost certainly wrong in some areas. But it's definitely an interesting topic to speculate upon.
 
Ashby said:
Everyone's going to be disappointed when it's revealed and it ends up being a device you just play video games on
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Can you take that venomous attitude somewhere else?

This stuff is made of dreams. Someone even said so in this thread.

you made me lol :)
 
Krowley said:
I can smell it.
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DerekOfTheDykes said:
The actual design and execution of the detachable controllers concept is the biggest mystery that needs answering, if you ask me, far more than any questions about power or screen size.
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This and whichever other secrets there might be on the machine. Many rumors so far have pointed out that there is at least one other key gimmick that hasn't been detailed yet. I myself wonder if the screen will be 3D? I mean it would suck having to go back to plain 2D after the masterfully executed 3D on the New 3DS...
 
@ArcadeGirl64 Iwata didn't lie when he said NX might be multiple devices in the *future*. But NX is one device in the beginning. Make sense?
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When thinking about this, 3ds is the first one that should be replaced based on life cycle. So the nx is a handheld, but they will sell it as hybrid because the wiiu doesn't sell? That way they can fill temporary the gap. When next gen arrives (ps5) , the nx console will come? What other way do they have to get 3rd party support in the middle of this gen race.


PS: I was told that Nintendo *will* talk about NX next Wednesday (Q2 earnings), but that's not really news: they *have* to then.
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https://twitter.com/Peter_Colemonts/status/788421658667134976

Should we be worried?
 
Thraktor said:
This is quite interesting. If it's true that dev hardware is still actively cooled then it means one of three things:

  • Some or all third party devs don't have final hardware and are still working on TX1-based dev kits. (I'd consider this by far the most likely scenario)
  • The system itself is actively cooled in all scenarios. This isn't impossible (as others have noted there are many actively cooled laptops and tablets which are much thinner than the 3DS or Vita), however it would seem very unusual for Nintendo, given the added moving part is a potential point of failure, and the increased power consumption would mean a much larger battery would be required.
  • The system is only actively cooled when docked, clocking up to allow the system to output at an increased resolution. This eliminates the battery life issue, but we haven't heard anything which would indicate that there's a difference of this kind between "portable mode" and "docked mode", which makes it seem pretty unlikely.
Although I'd still put my money on devs not having final hardware (which wouldn't be that unusual 5 months from launch), it would be very interesting if Nintendo actually went the actively cooled route with NX. You'd be looking at clock speeds over 1GHz and comfortably over 1TF of FP16 performance, perhaps even 2TF or more.
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Interesting. With the device using a pascal based tegra chip, 6-6.2in screen, and having active cooling, I could see the device hitting 1TF, but I'm interested why you believe it could also hit 2TF.
 
"So I was eating at burger king and the man in the booth behind me burped what sounded liked 'tomorrow'. So I went on Facebook and my girlfriends new profile picture is her wearing a Mario cap. Also I looked at my dog and I'm pretty sure it barked like a Chain Chomp.

Im telling you guys, it's close. Real close!"
 
Peterc said:
When thinking about this, 3ds is the first one that should be replaced based on life cycle. So the nx is a handheld. But they will sell it as hybrid because the wiiu doesn't sell? That way they can fill temporary the gap. When next gen arrives (ps5) , the nx console will come?
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If they're released separately (big if), I'm almost certain the console is coming first. Wii U has nothing left besides Zelda and that is cross-gen. 3DS is winding down but still has a handful games of left such as the Dragon Quests and Pokemon, and a few more could be made cheaply as a stopgap. Plus the 3DS has no real competition in its dedicated handheld space.
 
Come on, insiders. I know you're here. Drop us a hint about a new game we don't know about hitting at launch.

It's Luigi's Mansion 3, isn't it?
 
There are basically two sets of rumours:

1. EG/Emily Rogers etc. - Nvidia hybrid.
2. 10K/SMD64 etc. - Reasonably powerful Home Machine


Does anyone believe 2.?
 
THE:MILKMAN said:
If NX is a true hybrid there would be no need for a home console at least within the NX life cycle.
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Even ignoring that it could be the Pro/Scorpio version of NX, I can believe the company that would release a cheaper 3DS without the 3D might also release their portable/console hybrid in a version with no screen or battery.
brandonh83 said:
I desperately want Metroid Prime... VR.

After trying PSVR this weekend, my first thought was that Metroid Prime VR would be the most amazing thing that will never happen.
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Clearly faaaar from a game designed around it, but there is a version of Dolphin that alters the image for headsets and moves the view as you move your head. Check YouTube.
 
Peterc said:
https://twitter.com/Peter_Colemonts/status/788421658667134976

Should we be worried?
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Nope. We will know something official about NX soon, if it's not this week, it will be next week.

All we know, it's that the reveal, or at least an announcement of the reveal, is coming. And it will happen before Halloween.

Lets be optimistic.

ecosse_011172 said:
There are basically two sets of rumours:

1. EG/Emily Rogers etc. - Nvidia hybrid.
2. 10K/SMD64 etc. - Reasonably powerful Home Machine


Does anyone believe 2.?
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#TeamEmily
After 10 years, Nintendo making a powerful machine sounds unrealistic.
Number 2 looks like a wet dream. Could happen, and if it happens to be, it will be a great surprise, but right now,...
 
BuggyMike said:
Interesting. With the device using a pascal based tegra chip, 6-6.2in screen, and having active cooling, I could see the device hitting 1TF, but I'm interested why you believe it could also hit 2TF.
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He is referring to FP16 precision, for which Tegra chips claim to have double the performance. So, a 600GFlops FP32 Tegra chip is a 1200GFlops FP16 Tegra chip.

ecosse_011172 said:
There are basically two sets of rumours:

1. EG/Emily Rogers etc. - Nvidia hybrid.
2. 10K/SMD64 etc. - Reasonably powerful Home Machine


Does anyone believe 2.?
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Nobody on team 2 has proven to have legitimate, accurate leaks in the past besides SMD who's only source is long gone. So nobody really has any reason to believe team 2.
 
MuchoMalo said:
The only thing we're getting this year is a disappointing statement in 8 days
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What kind of statement are you expecting?

DonShula said:
I desperately want a Metroid game.

I am also prepared for disappointment.

I'm sure I'll be fine with Zelda and whatever other surprises they have in store. I'm not much of a handheld gamer and have found myself wishing I could play console versions of DS games over the years. Very much looking forward to having the entire Nintendo catalog available to me, if that's how things pan out.
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I sincerely believe you will have access to nearly the full catalog. It's only this current gen the jury is out on, and I suppose GameCube. Er..and DS...but I have to believe there will be sufficient touchscreen capability to allow for it. And this time, I imagine it will be easier to play vertically.

KingSnake said:
Is Nintendo insane enough to announce the reveal Direct with only one day in advance?
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Yes, but I remain unconvinced we will get our first info in the form of a Direct (or a live press conference).

Living the Dream said:
Diddy Kong Racing and of course Beyond Good & Evil. DKR was heavily rumored almost three years ago and was probably moved to NX.
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Yes, please. This.

ShockingAlberto said:
Yeah, that part does actually make me excited. The only chance I will ever havr to play a game Zelda's size these days is if I am unencumbered by where I play it.
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Same. Well, just in the sense of having very little gaming time. I suspect we will take a break from Yooka-Laylee to play BotW starting in March and then...it will take us like a year to complete.

psyfi said:
I really don't see why Nintendo would bother with DKR when they already have a wildly popular kart racing series in Mario Kart.
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BD1 said:
There is room for more than one cartoon racer, I think. If they expand the weapon customization and open world aspects from the original, and even add in some light platforming, it would be a very different experience.

Plus, Nintendo may want to keep the Mario Kart in the bullpen for a year, but still deliver a fun multiplayer racer at or near launch.
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That's good reasoning. Psyfi, I understand your skepticism, but I remain hopeful. Did you happen to read the original (pipe dream) of a rumor? They made it sound pretty darn cool.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Clearly faaaar from a game designed around it, but there is a version of Dolphin that alters the image for headsets and moves the view as you move your head. Check YouTube.
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That's pretty neat actually, I'd definitely try it if given the opportunity but it's not something I'd go out of my way to obtain myself.
 
fossi8 said:
What is the most anticipated thing you want to see in the reveal:

1. Launch Games
2. 1st and 3rd Parties Support
3. Hardware Specs
4. Console Name
5. Hybrid Rumor
6. Price & Versions
7. Other
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For me, system form and function are #1, exclusive software is #2.

I don't think they will address specs or price until later (or possibly ever for specs).

The third biggest thing is just allowing other folks to talk about it, which will out some spec talk and development background information.
 
marmoka said:
Nope. We will know something official about NX soon, if it's not this week, it will be next week.

All we know, it's that the reveal, or at least an announcement of the reveal, is coming. And it will happen before Halloween.

Lets be optimistic.



#TeamEmily
After 10 years, Nintendo making a powerful machine sounds unrealistic.
Number 2 looks like a wet dream. Could happen, and if it happens to be, it will be a great surprise, but right now,...
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I'm 100% after Emily, just wonder if we would only get the reveal date this week.
 
Skittzo0413 said:
He is referring to FP16 precision, for which Tegra chips claim to have double the performance. So, a 600GFlops FP32 Tegra chip is a 1200GFlops FP16 Tegra chip.
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Dope thanks. So if they could reach 1TF, it would basically be 2TF with double precision. How accurate is that? Is the performance actually as if it's doubling performance?
 
Expect:

LoZ: Breath of the Wild
Pokemon Sun and Moon
Super Mario Run
Metroid Run
Animal Crossing Run
F-Zero Run
Kirby Run
Smash Bros Run
Ice Climbers Run
Mario Kart Run
Mother 3
 
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