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[ViciousDS]

this is the hardest part about display sets in the store


contrast, brightness and everything is jacked to 100% to make colors pop. While in real life colors are smooth and at times even a little dull. You want to replicate real color, not color you find attractive. But to each their own opinion.....do what you want lol, it is your TV

 

[infinityBCRT]

this is the hardest part about display sets in the store


contrast, brightness and everything is jacked to 100% to make colors pop. While in real life colors are smooth and at times even a little dull. You want to replicate real color, not color you find attractive. But to each their own opinion.....do what you want lol, it is your TV

This is exactly why TV settings are so fucked up out of the box, people look at TV's with higher contrast, crushed blacks, more saturation and think it looks better... ugh. Thats the trap that everyone who is saying "turn on dynamic contrast" is falling into. Same goes for people who are saying Cool is better than Warm.

Just make sure its calibrated right and then leave how it looks up to the content creators. One day, someone is going to bring an apple like approach to TV, and throw out all the settings and just lock it to calibrated settings. And then dumb shit like having Brightness sliders and HDR sliders in games will be a thing of the past.

 

[Noboru Wataya]

This is exactly why TV settings are so fucked up out of the box, people look at TV's with higher contrast, crushed blacks, more saturation and think it looks better... ugh. Thats the trap that everyone who is saying "turn on dynamic contrast" is falling into. Same goes for people who are saying Cool is better than Warm.

Just make sure its calibrated right and then leave how it looks up to the content creators. One day, someone is going to bring an apple like approach to TV, and throw out all the settings and just lock it to calibrated settings. And then dumb shit like having Brightness sliders and HDR sliders in games will be a thing of the past.

Can you post your tv's settings? I will give them a try and see if they give me a better result.

No matter how hard I look, on HDR there is nothing getting crushed by using dynamic contrast. I only get that on SDR content.

 

[III-V]

This is exactly why TV settings are so fucked up out of the box, people look at TV's with higher contrast, crushed blacks, more saturation and think it looks better... ugh. Thats the trap that everyone who is saying "turn on dynamic contrast" is falling into. Same goes for people who are saying Cool is better than Warm.

Just make sure its calibrated right and then leave how it looks up to the content creators. One day, someone is going to bring an apple like approach to TV, and throw out all the settings and just lock it to calibrated settings. And then dumb shit like having Brightness sliders and HDR sliders in games will be a thing of the past.

People are only advocating low/medium dynamic contrast with HDR enabled. It may be that the Samsung only disables a constant gamma and moves to a PQ curve when DC Is enabled with HDR content.

Which game features an HDR slider? Wtf is that?

 

[michaelius]

I think it's a result of all the HDR marketing slides - they are totally misleading as I have learned after buying HDR TV - people are expecting better more vibrant colour when HDR is giving them colours close to nature.

 

[infinityBCRT]

Can you post your tv's settings? I will give them a try and see if they give me a better result.

No matter how hard I look, on HDR there is nothing getting crushed by using dynamic contrast. I only get that on SDR content.

Can you post your tv's settings? I will give them a try and see if they give me a better result.

No matter how hard I look, on HDR there is nothing getting crushed by using dynamic contrast. I only get that on SDR content.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000/settings <-- this. Backlight 10 is my SDR backlight level (good for lights on in room). for HDR its max.

I can assure you there will be things getting crushed. If you grab the HDR version of the Sony Camp demo, I bet you the scene with the clouds will show that there is white detail being lost in the clouds. Hell, I'll test it when I get home tonight.

People are only advocating low/medium dynamic contrast with HDR enabled. It may be that the Samsung only disables a constant gamma and moves to a PQ curve when DC Is enabled with HDR content.

Which game features an HDR slider? Wtf is that?

Ultimately its still crushing some colors to bring out other colors... which is the complete opposite of what you want to do if you want to have a properly calibrated display.

Forza and Gears both have regular and HDR brightness sliders. It's dumb. They should make their games calibrated to the HDR spec and then expect people just to have their displays calibrated correctly. I also think their sliders are misleading because it looks fine if you leave it on default, but if you try to change the brightness sliders to make the test image actually "barely visible", the overall game becomes too dark.

 

[duxstar]

Just got an update for this tv but cant find it online, anyone know what it did, i clicked through the details part, hoping maybe they updated their netflix app to show hdr

 

[FarFromAnyGame]

I'm getting proper 5.1 via optical out. Just set your PS4 and TV to bitsreaming DTS.

When I set the TV HDMI Audio Format to Bitstream, there's a very noticeable audio delay. Even on the TV speakers. What am I missing? I set the audio delay to 0, and it's still there.
Can you share your entire audio settings?

 

[dragonzdogma]

I would love to know the settings of someone's tv who has played FFXV with hdr and actually likes it.

Thanks

 

[michaelius]

Just got an update for this tv but cant find it online, anyone know what it did, i clicked through the details part, hoping maybe they updated their netflix app to show hdr

Netflix app is working with hdr on KS series without any updates

 

[ViciousDS]

People are only advocating low/medium dynamic contrast with HDR enabled. It may be that the Samsung only disables a constant gamma and moves to a PQ curve when DC Is enabled with HDR content.

Which game features an HDR slider? Wtf is that?

couldn't you just add 1 or 2 to gamma instead of activating the DC? Then switch it back when HDR deactivates. Don't get my set till sunday lol, sorry.....just trying to help

 

[JeffG]

Which game features an HDR slider? Wtf is that?

Gears of War 4 and Forza Horizon 3 both have a separate HDR brightness slider

 

[Noboru Wataya]

couldn't you just add 1 or 2 to gamma instead of activating the DC? Then switch it back when HDR deactivates. Don't get my set till sunday lol, sorry.....just trying to help

The issue with that is on HDR without DC the blacks are flat and grey and the picture is dull, putting up the gamma just makes the image brighter without fixing the issue of the blacks being grey.

 

[infinityBCRT]

The issue with that is on HDR without DC the blacks are flat and grey and the picture is dull, putting up the gamma just makes the image brighter without fixing the issue of the blacks being grey.

Curious, which content shows up with flat and grey blacks? I've downloaded the manufacturer HDR demos from LG, Sony, Samsung, and have the Revenant, Mad Max, Batman v Superman, Forza Horizon 3, GOW4, TLOU, Infamous First Light, and Uncharted 4 and there are no problems with the blacks in the picture. Again, using the rtings settings.

The only time the blacks look weird is when the backlight gets enabled really brightly in one part of the screen and not the others, and thats a flaw because the TV is edge lit and doesn't have proper local dimming. Or if you turn the lights off you may see some light bloom, again due to lack of true local dimming on the screen. This TV performs much better in the lights on scenario. If you want a lights off TV, you probably should get an OLED.

 

[III-V]

couldn't you just add 1 or 2 to gamma instead of activating the DC? Then switch it back when HDR deactivates. Don't get my set till sunday lol, sorry.....just trying to help

HDR content Requires a very different curve than the typical SDR 2.2 static gamma. So fussing around with that gamma control won't help anything.

The issue with that is on HDR without DC the blacks are flat and grey and the picture is dull, putting up the gamma just makes the image brighter without fixing the issue of the blacks being grey.

Correct. Adjusting the gamma manually with HDR on doesn't fix this issue.

Just to clarify, I don't use this feature on SDR content or on my Sony X800D with HDR or SDR. For some reason the Samsung HDR is flat without it. Like I said earlier I suspect it has to to with the gamma curve (PQ curve) in this case.

 

[lt519]

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Get them credit card claims in people (;

 

[Haines]

I just want to say upfront I'm loving the discussion and respect everyone's opinion.

Now. I've been literally testing this tv every day for like 5 days now.

I only have the Naughty games to test HDR (I think) it could be possible other games are different.

I'm telling you on HDR mode it needs to be on high if you have it on the settings I do.

When I put it to off. The screen is too dark. It is not right.

Low medium look better but it has a washed out filter over it.

High makes everything pop. Blacks are black. Detail is more present than ever. Colors look deep. All of the shadows are still present.

I was scared of using dynamic contrast because of comments here. That's why it took.me so long to get to the right setting.

High dynamic contrast simply makes everything look correct. Is it brighter than off? Yes. Does off look like complete dark my tv is broken and needs a bulb replaced setting when using hdr? YES

If anything DC on high has way more range than off.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Thank you for all your testing Haines! I'm going to make the couple of changes I need for my settings to match yours.

 

[Simbo]

I think it's a result of all the HDR marketing slides - they are totally misleading as I have learned after buying HDR TV - people are expecting better more vibrant colour when HDR is giving them colours close to nature.

Microsoft have actually been advertising the HDR gaming with the One S as giving "brighter, more luminous colours". It's plastered all over their website.

 

[AngelOFDeath]

Samsung is refunding me 200 after the EPP went down this week. Praise be praise be.

 

[farscape82]

I just want to say upfront I'm loving the discussion and respect everyone's opinion.

Now. I've been literally testing this tv every day for like 5 days now.

I only have the Naughty games to test HDR (I think) it could be possible other games are different.

I'm telling you on HDR mode it needs to be on high if you have it on the settings I do.

When I put it to off. The screen is too dark. It is not right.

Low medium look better but it has a washed out filter over it.

High makes everything pop. Blacks are black. Detail is more present than ever. Colors look deep. All of the shadows are still present.

I was scared of using dynamic contrast because of comments here. That's why it took.me so long to get to the right setting.

High dynamic contrast simply makes everything look correct. Is it brighter than off? Yes. Does off look like complete dark my tv is broken and needs a bulb replaced setting when using hdr? YES

If anything DC on high has way more range than off.

I absolutely agree to this. I never would use dynamic contrast on any of my TVs before. But for the KS7000(EU) Dynamic contrast on high for HDR, makes it look unbelievably good.

Its also strange, that for SDR content, if i raise dynamic contrast the picture gets darker, but for HDR content it makes it brighter. Seems to behaving the opposite way.

 

[AngelOFDeath]

Slightly off-topic, but anyone else think Cable TV just looks bad on this set? I might change the HDMI cable to see if it makes a difference, but holy crap its almost unbearable.

 

[Yopis]

I think it's a result of all the HDR marketing slides - they are totally misleading as I have learned after buying HDR TV - people are expecting better more vibrant colour when HDR is giving them colours close to nature.

This is true. When I first got tv dynamic contrast looked great. After a week or two without it and testing on vs off its horrible. Can't stand it on. You lose alot of the image quality with it on. Just my opinion.

People can do as they please but that setting will stay off for me. Even on low it sucks.

 

[Haines]

Guys putting DC on HDR stuff has nothing to do with getting torch mode or unnatural colors.

If anything thee range is shown more. The blacks are blacker. The whites are whiter.

You don't have to believe me. I've tested damn near every single chapter in UC4.

Go to a avery descent. A chapter with no color.

When I have it off I can't even SEE all the textures and details. They are gone to dimness.

I've played games for 25 years now. I know what I should be looking at. I know DC and post processing goes off for SDR stuff. I also know this is a new a new tech and ONE tv model out of many.

 

[Filth]

I just want to say upfront I'm loving the discussion and respect everyone's opinion.

Now. I've been literally testing this tv every day for like 5 days now.

I only have the Naughty games to test HDR (I think) it could be possible other games are different.

I'm telling you on HDR mode it needs to be on high if you have it on the settings I do.

When I put it to off. The screen is too dark. It is not right.

Low medium look better but it has a washed out filter over it.

High makes everything pop. Blacks are black. Detail is more present than ever. Colors look deep. All of the shadows are still present.

I was scared of using dynamic contrast because of comments here. That's why it took.me so long to get to the right setting.

High dynamic contrast simply makes everything look correct. Is it brighter than off? Yes. Does off look like complete dark my tv is broken and needs a bulb replaced setting when using hdr? YES

If anything DC on high has way more range than off.

Agreed after reading your post yesterday i tried dc high and everything pops. No banding and great blacks and shadows. I can only test this with ratchet and clank currently.

 

[Haines]

This is true. When I first got tv dynamic contrast looked great. After a week or two without it and testing on vs off its horrible. Can't stand it on. You lose alot of the image quality with it on. Just my opinion.

People can do as they please but that setting will stay off for me. Even on low it sucks.

Low looks like garbage. Don't use low or medium. They don't help at all. They make the picture worse if anything.


If anything messing around with low/medium is what caused all this confusion. Something about high almsot looks like something switches in the tv. It ps completely different than low/medium. Suddenly the range comes back.

I cant for the life of me see anyone liking off because i cant even see any details in any texture. Looks like im playing a game where my character picked up a set of shades and put them on his face.

I dont lose anything on high,if anything i gain everything

 

[Yopis]

Guys putting DC on HDR stuff has nothing to do with getting torch mode or unnatural colors.

If anything thee range is shown more. The blacks are blacker. The whites are whiter.

You don't have to believe me. I've tested damn near every single chapter in UC4.

Go to a avery descent. A chapter with no color.

When I have it off I can't even SEE all the textures and details. They are gone to dimness.

I've played games for 25 years now. I know what I should be looking at. I know DC and post processing goes off for SDR stuff. I also know this is a new a new tech and ONE tv model out of many.

Don't agree at all. When I look at the sun in UC4 with it on high. You can barely make out the sun behind the light. With this off you can see the full outline.

Like I said people can use whatever they want. Does not affect me at all but it does crush blacks. It's just hypes the colors d makes everything brighter.

You lose some of the range since everything is just brighter. That's my experience with it in this tv.

To each their own I'm done.

 

[Evolved1]

You're either tricking yourself into thinking it looks better because you're flipping back and forth and your brain automatically is telling you the higher contrast/brighter picture is better, there's something wrong with your settings, or Square Enix done fucked up and made a bad looking game (its possible-- I think Forza Horizon 3 is way too dim for example). If the game's visuals were created to HDR spec, it should display correctly when you calibrate your display to HDR spec, which is what the intention of the rtings settings are.



Stick to Warm2. After a week it will look normal and Cool will look gross.



It's people who are just getting into trying to get the right settings for their TV and not understanding what Dynamic Contrast does. It's so not necessary if the other settings are right. HDR is supposed to give you a wide range of luminosity, so there are times where things on the screen are supposed to be dark and not full brightness. Video Games are a little different since I don't trust that every developer is developing their game to Rec 709 (SDR) or Rec 2020 (HDR) spec (they should though), but for movie content, Directors and Editors are putting together the movies on displays that are calibrated to those specs, and those displays do not have Dynamic Contrast enabled. And they are mastering to 1000 nits. The KS8000 can go even above that. So the idea that Dynamic Contrast is needed is wrong.

Agree with all of this. Especially Warm2... which I called the "piss filter" for the first entire day. But now switching it back to standard or cool is literally gross.

As for dynamic contrast, I tinker with here and there, but 99% of the time I just have it off. In the rare occasion I just cannot get a game to look right (it looks washed out) I may try DC, to see if it helps at all, but that's super rare.

 

[Haines]

Don't agree at all. When I look at the sun in UC4 with it on high. You can. Barely make out the sun behind the light. With this off you can see the full outline.

Like I said people can use whatever they want. Does not affect me at all but it does crush blacks. It's just hypes the colors d makes everything brighter.

You lose some of the range since everything is just brighter. That's my experience with it in this tv.

To each their own I'm done.

The only reason you see the sun like that is because everything around it is darker man. The sun isnt supposed to be a big ball of fire in the daytime....

 

[GrayFoxBH]

Does anyone know if dynamic contrast adds input lag?

 

[Yopis]

The only reason you see the sun like that is because everything around it is darker man. The sun isnt supposed to be a big ball of fire in the daytime....

I hear you. We can just agree to disagree. Hey settings are on the set for people to choose what they like. If you like it on high go for it.

Crushes blacks on my tv. I will leave it off unless watching Anime.

 

[Haines]

I hear you. We can just agree to disagree. Hey settings are on the set for people to choose what they like. If you like it on high go for it.

Crushes blacks on my tv. I will leave it off unless watching Anime.

Crushes blacks on ks8000 with my settings???

I'm sorry dude but I have 0 crushed blacks. I literally bought this tv bc my last tv ONLY crushed blacks no matter what I did and I had to live with it for 3 years. I was insanely happy to upgrade.

I'm the last person on this forum whom wants crushed blacks.

I still have ptsd from that shit.

 

[infinityBCRT]

Don't agree at all. When I look at the sun in UC4 with it on high. You can barely make out the sun behind the light. With this off you can see the full outline.

Like I said people can use whatever they want. Does not affect me at all but it does crush blacks. It's just hypes the colors d makes everything brighter.

You lose some of the range since everything is just brighter. That's my experience with it in this tv.

To each their own I'm done.

I kinda don't want to be done because there's so much misinformation and wrong information about TV's and settings out there, and I would hope that this thread would educate people more, but it seems to be doing the opposite in some cases.

 

[tommyguns]

Crushes blacks on ks8000 with my settings???

I'm sorry dude but I have 0 crushed blacks. I literally bought this tv bc my last tv ONLY crushed blacks no matter what I did and I had to live with it for 3 years. I was insanely happy to upgrade.

I'm the last person on this forum whom wants crushed blacks.

I still have ptsd from that shit.

Can't speak on it crushing blacks but Dynamic Contrast with HDR on the KS8000 does slightly 'crush' white highlights. Specifically in the sky and clouds in games. Not crazy, but enough for me to notice.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Curious, which content shows up with flat and grey blacks? I've downloaded the manufacturer HDR demos from LG, Sony, Samsung, and have the Revenant, Mad Max, Batman v Superman, Forza Horizon 3, GOW4, TLOU, Infamous First Light, and Uncharted 4 and there are no problems with the blacks in the picture. Again, using the rtings settings.

The only time the blacks look weird is when the backlight gets enabled really brightly in one part of the screen and not the others, and thats a flaw because the TV is edge lit and doesn't have proper local dimming. Or if you turn the lights off you may see some light bloom, again due to lack of true local dimming on the screen. This TV performs much better in the lights on scenario. If you want a lights off TV, you probably should get an OLED.

Exactly. I haven't seen this set in person, but I'm guessing the washed out look some are seeing is directly related to poor local dimming. OLED or a Full Array LED (Vizio P Series) makes a big difference with HDR.

 

[Evolved1]

I just want to say upfront I'm loving the discussion and respect everyone's opinion.

Now. I've been literally testing this tv every day for like 5 days now.

I only have the Naughty games to test HDR (I think) it could be possible other games are different.

I'm telling you on HDR mode it needs to be on high if you have it on the settings I do.

When I put it to off. The screen is too dark. It is not right.

Low medium look better but it has a washed out filter over it.

High makes everything pop. Blacks are black. Detail is more present than ever. Colors look deep. All of the shadows are still present.

I was scared of using dynamic contrast because of comments here. That's why it took.me so long to get to the right setting.

High dynamic contrast simply makes everything look correct. Is it brighter than off? Yes. Does off look like complete dark my tv is broken and needs a bulb replaced setting when using hdr? YES

If anything DC on high has way more range than off.

You should buy Ratchet and Clank. It's cheap, and the best game on Pro. It's also the best game to fiddle with, because its levels provide so many different lighting conditions. And the game is naturally colorful and vibrant. You can clearly see how DC will negatively affect the image. Ratchet "pops" enough already... you turn on DC to high, and idk imo it's just.... wrong. Like putting ice cubes in good bourbon -- ruins it -- but hey some people like that, so obviously do what you like.

Just saying.

 

[Haines]

I'm going to buy Clank when it hits 20 bucks Canadian

 

[Deputy Moonman]

Sorry for the slightly OT post, but does anyone have any experience with Cliffs Deals? Super good price on an OLED TV and wanted to know if it's legit. LG OLED65C6P 65" curved for only $1879.00 I've been flirting with the idea of getting a samsung sk8000 but would jump on the oled train for the aforementioned price.
http://www.cliffsdeals.com/LG_OLED6...1029924.html?gclid=COvGrYSisNACFQyLaQod8PoC-g

 

[Chamber]

Whites look washed out with DC on High, especially on Uncharted 4. That's actually the game that made me rethink using DC at all.

 

[vatstep]

Whites look washed out with DC on High, especially on Uncharted 4. That's actually the game that made me rethink using DC at all.

High DC is overkill. I think Medium is the absolute highest you should go, personally.

 

[Yopis]

Whites look washed out with DC on High, especially on Uncharted 4. That's actually the game that made me rethink using DC at all.

I see the same along with crushed blacks. I leave setting off. But again people can do what they like. Not trying to clog the thread or anything.

 

[Haines]

If anything the whites look whiter to me. Flipping back and forth right now.


There was a post up a bit saying maybe with DC on its me trying to correct the poor dimming on tv.

Maybe that's right Idk.

I'm listing to you guys. I'm trying to switch between medium and high and see if I can pick up on crushed blacks and whites on high.

Im curious if it's the crushed whites and blacks you guys speak of that is tricking me into actually thinking I'm seeing more range.

 

[OmegaTreeFish]

If anything the whites look whiter to me. Flipping back and forth right now.


There was a post up a bit saying maybe with DC on its me trying to correct the poor dimming on tv.

Maybe that's right Idk.

Anything that is truly white or black should look white or black in any DC setting including off.

When you say the whites are whiter do you mean there is more area that turns white? Because thats blowing out the highlights. If you literally mean pure white gets whiter then i have no idea whats going on and it sounds like something odd is happening.

And as for sonething you said before about how a sun should look. Yes you should be able to see the outline of the sun. Thats an example of hdr being able to display that properly. The bright but not as bright as the sun itself area around it should be clearly visible and not blown out.

 

[rinse82]

So I downloaded a couple Samsung HDR demo vids on a USB and plugged the sucker in...

Oh my god, face melting stuff. HDR is incredible when it's working as intended

Only other HDR I've seen upto this point is stuff on Netflix, but this was on another level

 

[OmegaTreeFish]

So I downloaded a couple Samsung HDR demo vids on a USB and plugged the sucker in...

Oh my god, face melting stuff. HDR is incredible when it's working as intended

Yeah hdr video is really impressive.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Has anybody tested to see if the YouTube app was updated for HDR in the latest firmware? I can test it right now.

 

[Killing_Joke]

Sorry if already brought up but needs some help. Was going to get this receiver but one reviewer said HDR wasn't working.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BV7SO8U/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I was thinking bout going with ARC/Optical but read it doesn't support 5.1. Any truth to that?

 

[rinse82]

Has anybody tested to see if the YouTube app was updated for HDR in the latest firmware? I can test it right now.

Nope, doesn't work yet

 

[Haines]

Anything that is truly white or black should look white or black in any DC setting including off.

When you say the whites are whiter do you mean there is more area that turns white? Because thats blowing out the highlights. If you literally mean pure white gets whiter then i have no idea whats going on and it sounds like something odd is happening.

And as for sonething you said before about how a sun should look. Yes you should be able to see the outline of the sun. Thats an example of hdr being able to display that properly. The bright but not as bright as the sun itself area around it should be clearly visible and not blown out.

Yup j think you guys are totally right. I think I was mistaking the blacks getting blacker and whites whiter for more range but it was just them being crushed.

So now I'm lost all over again. God dammit. I just want to play some games in the correct settings

 

[Noboru Wataya]

Just home from work and played about with the settings some more, still stand by HDR and DC.

I made a quick video to show how DC helps HDR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w9OoxUJ_88